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Kraftwerk posted:Is there a compelling reason to upgrade from a 3700 based on current info? no.
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Kraftwerk posted:Is there a compelling reason to upgrade from a 3700 based on current info? it hasn’t been released, nobody knows. but in all likelihood, no.
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Oct 2, 2020 04:16
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Kraftwerk posted:Is there a compelling reason to upgrade from a 3700 based on current info? That's basically it for a couple of years, honestly. Never upgrade two gens in a row, that's just being an idiot with money and the environment.
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Oct 2, 2020 04:19
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I think it was tech jesus that said it recently about GPUs, but if you don't hate your computer right now (or need an upgrade for work), don't upgrade.
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Oct 2, 2020 04:38
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I'm on a 3600X and my plan is to go to the highest clocked AM4 processor with at least 8 cores once it is pretty clear the socket is reaching end-of-life. 6 cores is fine for now, and it runs everything I want nice and snappy, but I got an X570 board with this plan in mind. I could've gone with cores to start, but I saved the money up front figuring that a step-up to a later generation would be in the cards for 2021 or 2022.
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Oct 2, 2020 04:44
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Level 1 Thief posted:Bluetooth has been pretty much flawless; worlds better than the dongles I was using before. Just about any X570 wifi board should have the same antenna though.
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Oct 2, 2020 06:03
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sean10mm posted:The only source I have seen for Zen 3 big price hike rumors is... you. Post since deleted on this board https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/566770#comment-9317000 As I mentioned before, the system integrator by the name of luketechfast was talking about the price hikes.
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Oct 2, 2020 06:48
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, especially since there have been so few Zen 3 leaks in general.
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I'm interested in the 5600 and if they hike the price, I'll just get a 3600 instead. But I doubt any price increase will amount to more than ending any discounts Zen2 has, they seem to always be marked $20-25 off.
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Oct 2, 2020 16:10
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I can't believe they would give up the puns they would have if they had with Ryzen 5xxx on AM5 with DDR5. Could've just added another letter on the next gen of APU and called it a day.
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Oct 2, 2020 16:19
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I don't think there's going to be a price hike but it's safe to say 3xxx series is going to be discontinued asap because, unlike the Zen/+ chips they fabbed on GloFo, it competes for production capacity with the new stuff.
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Oct 2, 2020 16:33
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Arzachel posted:I don't think there's going to be a price hike but it's safe to say 3xxx series is going to be discontinued asap because, unlike the Zen/+ chips they fabbed on GloFo, it competes for production capacity with the new stuff. This kinda makes sense why their Athlon line is still on Zen 1 and they did the AF SKUs
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Oct 2, 2020 16:38
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If they think they can get people to pay for it, they absolutely will raise the price. This ain’t a charity. If it can beat Intel in gaming without any compromises, I would sure as poo poo raise the price to compete with Intel on per core prices if it was me. Especially when you factor the capacity issues in, too.
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Oct 2, 2020 17:23
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Cygni posted:If they think they can get people to pay for it, they absolutely will raise the price. This ain’t a charity. If it can beat Intel in gaming without any compromises, I would sure as poo poo raise the price to compete with Intel on per core prices if it was me. Especially when you factor the capacity issues in, too. The 10700K is like $380, if the 5800X came in at that price with >10900K better gaming speed, while keeping all of the advantages AMD already had, I'd be cool with that. I'd rather pay less obviously. If the price is TOO stupid nobody is moving off the Zen 2 though, AMD's biggest problem is Zen 2 is still real good. If they launch too high when inventory is small everybody either stands pat with what they have already or gets a 3700X. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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Oct 2, 2020 18:08
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sean10mm posted:The 10700K is like $380, if the 5800X came in at that price with >10900K better gaming speed, while keeping all of the advantages AMD already had, I'd be cool with that. I'd rather pay less obviously. $380 to 400 MSRP will be the removal of 50 dollar value discount that AMD used to offer over Intel. You think they will keep that discount now that they can handily beat Intels best chip? Certainly AMD will take advantage of this window to build revenue before they potentially have to reevaluate Zen3 pricing when Rocket Lake launches in Q1 21
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Oct 2, 2020 18:22
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also, even at equal pricing on the chip itself they still have cheaper mobos and a cooler thrown in (bad as it is), so there is still a say $50-100 cost advantage built in
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Oct 2, 2020 18:28
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Paul MaudDib posted:also, even at equal pricing on the chip itself they still have cheaper mobos and a cooler thrown in (bad as it is), so there is still a say $50-100 cost advantage built in ??? Wraith Spire and Wraith Max are both pretty decent coolers and basically obviate the need to consider anything less than the best 120/140mm tower coolers. I mean the Wraith Stealth is bad but even then it's still better than what Intel offers as a stock cooler, which is so bad it's best to consider all Intel CPUs as sold w/o cooler.
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Oct 3, 2020 02:52
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Paul MaudDib posted:also, even at equal pricing on the chip itself they still have cheaper mobos and a cooler thrown in (bad as it is), so there is still a say $50-100 cost advantage built in Intel also provides coolers with all of their CPUs though? I think it was only the 9900KS that didn't
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Oct 3, 2020 02:57
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gradenko_2000 posted:Intel also provides coolers with all of their CPUs though? I think it was only the 9900KS that didn't I believe they stopped including coolers with their -K processors starting with the 6000 series since they were just going to be replaced anyways. The locked processors still do come with coolers though.
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Oct 3, 2020 03:05
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EmpyreanFlux posted:??? Good for a stock cooler, sure, but still pretty pointless. Unless you just don't care about noise at all or are on a tight budget I'd replace with a tower cooler 100% of the time, to the point where I wish you could buy the cpus without.
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Oct 3, 2020 03:52
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Actuarial Fables posted:I believe they stopped including coolers with their -K processors starting with the 6000 series since they were just going to be replaced anyways. The locked processors still do come with coolers though. I looked it up and you're right: the K series processors don't come with boxed coolers, and the locked parts do
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Oct 3, 2020 04:16
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Even though I'd never use an Intel boxed cooler or wraith stealth, they're ideal for putting a thing together on the desk to make sure it works before assembling it all well. Pretty cheap of them to omit it IMO.
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Oct 3, 2020 06:07
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I feel very weird upgrading to an end of life socket but, my 4770K is kind of long in the tooth at this point.
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Oct 3, 2020 11:55
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ijyt posted:I feel very weird upgrading to an end of life socket but, my 4770K is kind of long in the tooth at this point. To be fair, basically every Intel upgrade is to an EOL socket from day 1
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Oct 3, 2020 12:17
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In my experience by the time your current CPU is crap, anything that fits in its socket that's better is either too slow still, unavailable or grossly overpriced.
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Oct 3, 2020 12:29
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As a Ryzen 5 2600/ B450 tomohawk owner, I'd disagree with that sentiment.
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Oct 3, 2020 13:18
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Don Dongington posted:As a Ryzen 5 2600/ B450 tomohawk owner, I'd disagree with that sentiment. That came out in like mid 2018. Most people aren't looking to dump their CPU in 2 years.
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Oct 3, 2020 13:21
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I think it's generally true that a lot of people don't upgrade their machines so often that whatever socket they're still on is current, and also that by the time people DO upgrade their machines, whatever socket they're currently on doesn't really hold an upgrade path anymore, and both of those factors play into why it technically doesn't hurt as much that Intel only ever supports two generations of CPUs per socket (though that doesn't really excuse them either). even if you're on something like an i3-9100, going up to an i7-8700 is about 300 bucks. an i5-10400, plus motherboard, is still going to be cheaper than that. an i7-10700, plus motherboard, is similarly cheaper than trying to keep the socket 1151 and getting an i9-9900 if you have an even older CPU+mobo combo, you're similarly not going to be able to extract much more additional value from trying to do a CPU upgrade on the same socket to bring it back to AMD, it's only a thing because AM4 is such a long-lived socket, but even that has its share of drama, as with BIOS updates
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Oct 3, 2020 13:42
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sean10mm posted:That came out in like mid 2018. Most people aren't looking to dump their CPU in 2 years. Because usually you had to swap the board and possibly memory alongside the CPU. I'm in the same boat where I'll upgrade from a 2600 to Zen 3 if there's no significant issues with the beta bios.
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Oct 3, 2020 14:27
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To be honest even if it's slightly sketchy, it puts you in a position where you can do cpu, then a b550 board when you catch one on special, and then flog the remainder off with some cheap ram down the line.
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Oct 3, 2020 15:21
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sean10mm posted:That came out in like mid 2018. Most people aren't looking to dump their CPU in 2 years. im just bored ive been stuck inside for 8 months & i dont need a new GPU
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Oct 3, 2020 16:00
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Actuarial Fables posted:I believe they stopped including coolers with their -K processors starting with the 6000 series since they were just going to be replaced anyways. It wasn't because they were just going to be replaced, it was that some people did use them and they were totally inadequate. As in the processor would hit max temp and throttle. The sinks they came with were the same cheap intel aluminum sinks as the normal desktop processors, which keep up with a 65W cpu and that's about it. It was making them look bad that people would have awful results, and designing a decent heatsink like the prism would have cut the profit margin. EmpyreanFlux posted:Wraith Spire and Wraith Max are both pretty decent coolers and basically obviate the need to consider anything less than the best 120/140mm tower coolers. Eh, that might be a bit much. A cheap 120mm tower strongly outperforms them, and while from a pure performance & clockspeed standpoint you don't gain anything worth considering, the noise difference is big. And the spire only comes with the 3600X, which for most of zen 2's life has been a dud product. But here's the compliment I'll give to the AMD coolers, and also the thing I find slightly frustrating about them: a Max would be an actually good cooler for a 3600. I wish there was some way to give all the unused max coolers to people with 3600s and limited budgets.
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Oct 3, 2020 16:26
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Klyith posted:It wasn't because they were just going to be replaced, it was that some people did use them and they were totally inadequate. As in the processor would hit max temp and throttle. The sinks they came with were the same cheap intel aluminum sinks as the normal desktop processors, which keep up with a 65W cpu and that's about it. It was making them look bad that people would have awful results, and designing a decent heatsink like the prism would have cut the profit margin. In my perfect world, they'd cut prices on the processors by $5 and not include a heatsink. Then make the max available as a bundle with processor purchase regardless of sku for +10 and the stealth for +5. Boom, less waste for people who are going to immediately replace with something better, more options for people on a tight budget. Probably a pain for logistics and packaging reasons I guess.
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Oct 3, 2020 20:16
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I've got a heatsink off a socket 754 processor that I'm pretty sure would still work with AMD's retention mechanism.
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Oct 3, 2020 21:15
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I've planned to upgrade the processor on my X570 board from day one - the 3600X I built the system with meets my needs fine, but I knew at least one more generation of CPUs was coming for AM4 and I should be able to jump to a newer processor with more cores, higher clocks, and better IPC. Rather than spend the money up front for a Ryzen 2 that was more than I needed in the moment but that was going to be surpassed in a year or two I built around a planned upgrade path.
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Oct 3, 2020 23:02
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I had the same reasoning and it was why I went for a 3600 instead of a 3700, but I doubt I'm going to upgrade. I doubt there's going to be much point to upgrade for at least 2 years. Almost everything is going to still be cross-gen up to that point. Probably the next big game that's going to require 8 fast cores is going to be the next Battlefield and I don't have much hope it's not going to be total dogshit so not worth upgrading for anyway.
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Oct 3, 2020 23:28
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I also bought a x570 board and 3600 earlier this year and I have planned all along to upgrade to a 5700/5800 when they come out. I like to do some 3d modeling and rendering in my spare time and have recently taken up 3d printing and I do it pretty much all day every day now, including printing my own 3d models. A better CPU would benefit me and so what if I ended up spending an extra $50-75 when I got to use this CPU for nearly a year before upgrading.
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Oct 4, 2020 00:05
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It'll probably make more sense for lots of people to wait until AM5 or whatever they call it pops up (I'm assuming very late 2021 at the earliest, probably more like early 2022) to get a Zen3 CPU since all these AM4 CPU's seem to sell used for very nice prices and as a EOL upgrade Zen3 would probably be a fairly nice update in a year before you have to consider shelling out for DDR5 and a new mobo.
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Oct 4, 2020 12:20
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If your PC does what you want it to do, then don't upgrade it. If it doesn't, then do upgrade it I'm not using a shitass PC that can't run what I want it to today because something better will exist in a year, because something better will always exist in a year.
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Oct 4, 2020 12:28
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Ironically AM4s long life is actually a downside rather than a positive as lack of an upgrade path would stop people spending silly amounts of money on marginal upgrades most of them won't notice. Curse you AMD!!!
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Plus I'm assuming DDR5 is going to be plenty pricey for a while after it releases.
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