Star Citizen: $48,000 is only $334/month for 12 years

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Dynastocles: May 29, 2009; "If you'll excuse me, my dinner time is six o'clock. Only gangsters eat at 9 o'clock, after some bootlegging and a hot game of craps."

8 years of mocap and millions of dollars wasted and the death animations are still no better than the ones in Goldeneye 64.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 16:30

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 09:46

Mirificus: Oct 29, 2004; Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

Mirificus posted:

How long have you really waited? posted:
If you check my citizen dossier, it shows I enlisted in September 13th, 2012. So, based on that date, I've been waiting for eight years.

The reality is quite a bit different. I'm a bit like Chris, and probably many of you, in a way. When I was a kid I fell in love with sci-fi. I saw things like StarWars and dreamed of flying among the stars and living on a spaceship and having epic adventures. As I got older, along came computers and with them, video games. The possibilities seemed endless. I played every space flight game I could get my hands on. I spent countless hours playing and replaying things like X-wing vs TIE Fighter, Freespace2, Tachyon: the Fringe, the Wing Commander series and Freelancer and Starlancer. I watched FPS shooters become more and more popular and common, while space sims became less so. For years it was all but impossible to find a decent space flight game, and I kept going back to those old classics, hoping someday someone would make the game I wanted; that would let me live among the stars and be the captain of my own spaceship.

When I stumbles upon the RSI website right years ago, I was f'ing elated. Finally, finally, someone was trying to make what I'd wanted for so long. And not just any someone, but Chris freakin' Roberts! The same guy whose Wing Commander games had been so awesome back in the day. I couldn't pledge fast enough (I'd have a four digit ID if I hadn't had to wait for payday to make my pledge, lol).

So, anytime I start to get salty about the delays or disappointed about features being removed from patches I just remind myself that I haven't been waiting on this game for eight years, but more like thirty-five. The difference in the last eight is that I've actually had authentic hope that it might finally happen. And when I get annoyed with the lack of communication from CIG I try to remember that before they started working on this dream of mine, I had no hope at all that it would happen.

The point of all this isn't to excuse CIG's shortcomings, and I'm not a white knight for the project, but instead to offer some perspective that has helped me manage my impatience and temper my optimism with some realism.

I'm the end, this project could still not succeed. But, even if that happens, the last eight years have been better than the twenty-five plus that proceeded them, because at least there was a chance, where before there never really had been.

So, I encourage my fellow backers to keep the faith, even as we hold the devs accountable and make our demands and spew our salt all over Spectrum and debate ideas and speculate on what might be next.

Good luck to us and good luck to CIG. I hope to see us all in the 'verse someday.

quote:

All you kids get in line, I was 7 years old in 1977 when Star Wars came out, I've been waiting 43 years and I'm looking forward to being in this universe for the next 40-50 years with the friends I've made over the past 5 since I joined up. Good post!

# ? Oct 5, 2020 16:56

IAbsolveMyself: Feb 9, 2020

Thread is depressing.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 17:53

his nibs: Feb 27, 2016; Welcome to the
Dream Factory; Grimey Drawer

IAbsolveMyself posted:

Thread is depressing.

Sounds like you need the luxurious surroundings of an Idris my friend

# ? Oct 5, 2020 18:06

Nicholas: Mar 7, 2001; Were those not fine days, when we drank of clear honey, and spoke in calm tones of our love for the stuff?

kinda makes sense that the people expecting to play star citizen for the next 20 years are the same people who haven't played a video game since wing commander 3.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 18:15

MedicineHut: Feb 25, 2016

IAbsolveMyself posted:

Thread is depressing.

Do you feel hollow, like death?

# ? Oct 5, 2020 18:17

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

https://i.imgur.com/KOvWs7r.mp4

# ? Oct 5, 2020 18:23

Fargin Icehole: Feb 19, 2011; Pet me.

Thoatse posted:

https://i.imgur.com/KOvWs7r.mp4

Boom shakalaka!

# ? Oct 5, 2020 18:37

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

downout posted:

I get this really well. I'm not super interested in space sims, but I did love the hell out of LOTR2. Pretty basic medieval sim type game from the ~90s. I somehow randomly ran across Bannerlord 2, and omg that game triggered so much nostalgia. For me it was like LOTR2, but now I can manage a town and an army, and actually lead it! How the hell has no one done something this good with space sims?

Bannerlord's studio has it's own issues, but there is a game. It's deep and unique. It shreds anything CIG can squeeze out.

edit: I don't think if I played any real space sims mostly cuz I think we couldn't afford the card at the time. But I'm glad the sw squadrons release is good. Definitely makes me want to try it.

Don't worry about finding a good space sim. Even the way of them are only kind of good and fun. They get better the more arcade they get. But an actual sim can be boring unless it has some other magic to it. Like in Kerbal at least you can also build ships to blow up on the pad and make insane.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 18:37

Best Bi Geek Squid: Mar 25, 2016

Thoatse posted:

https://i.imgur.com/KOvWs7r.mp4

such grace, skill, and power. an apex predator doing what it was born to do. reminds me of Chris roberts crafting the perfect space sim

# ? Oct 5, 2020 19:16

Snazzy Frocks: Mar 31, 2003; Scratchmo

love to see large catte having fun

# ? Oct 5, 2020 19:25

Nicholas: Mar 7, 2001; Were those not fine days, when we drank of clear honey, and spoke in calm tones of our love for the stuff?

just remember... if that cat could post on the internet, it'd probably say something racist.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 19:43

Pixelate: Jan 6, 2018; "You win by having fun"

Cyberpunk looking good

https://v.redd.it/nrgaidh88br51/DASH_480.mp4

# ? Oct 5, 2020 19:54

Snazzy Frocks: Mar 31, 2003; Scratchmo

bet you that bartender is floating a foot off the ground back there

# ? Oct 5, 2020 20:07

DigitalPenny: Sep 3, 2018

trucutru posted:

Maybe the teleporting elevators teleport you into a regular elevator. Have you guys considered that possibility?

Maybe all elevators should have teleporters as emergency exits for when they go floating off into oblivion. Might be easier to do than the panel re-work.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 21:56

cmdrk: Jun 10, 2013

DigitalPenny posted:

Maybe all elevators should have teleporters as emergency exits for when they go floating off into oblivion. Might be easier to do than the panel re-work.

well that'd be awesome, semi-original and actually scifi so Crobbler will never do it.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 21:59

DigitalPenny: Sep 3, 2018

downout posted:

I get this really well. I'm not super interested in space sims, but I did love the hell out of LOTR2. Pretty basic medieval sim type game from the ~90s. I somehow randomly ran across Bannerlord 2, and omg that game triggered so much nostalgia. For me it was like LOTR2, but now I can manage a town and an army, and actually lead it! How the hell has no one done something this good with space sims?

Bannerlord's studio has it's own issues, but there is a game. It's deep and unique. It shreds anything CIG can squeeze out.

edit: I don't think if I played any real space sims mostly cuz I think we couldn't afford the card at the time. But I'm glad the sw squadrons release is good. Definitely makes me want to try it.

Star point Gemini 3 does an Arcady bannerlord in space ... It's much more approachable than somethingike X4. It was still being developed when I played it a while back and needed plenty of fixing so maybe do some research before diving on in.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 22:01

DigitalPenny: Sep 3, 2018

Just got on the company charter jet to go to our project site for the first time, manged to spill coffee down my shirt. gently caress I can be useless.

It's the middle of nowhere in northern territory so maybe I can pass off that I wrestled a croc with my morning latte.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 22:05

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

Starsector is the best M&B in space game.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 22:13

Blue On Blue: Nov 14, 2012

Pixelate posted:

Cyberpunk looking good

https://v.redd.it/nrgaidh88br51/DASH_480.mp4

I'm the players face snapping from 'mouth agape' mode to 'scripted mocap mode' and then back once the animation is finished

# ? Oct 5, 2020 22:18

Zaphod42: Sep 13, 2012; If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Mirificus posted:

And not just any someone, but Chris freakin' Roberts! The same guy whose Wing Commander games had been so awesome back in the day.

I really hate this auture theory bullshit where all credit gets ascribed to one man who's name was on the box, and all the other people who worked with him and made poo poo work get completely erased.

Roberts didn't even work on Wing Commander 2 right? Lmao. This is some Trump stuff right here.

Pixelate posted:

Cyberpunk looking good

https://v.redd.it/nrgaidh88br51/DASH_480.mp4

Even ignoring the animations, that hair does not remotely fit that head. It looks so bad.

Seriously that looks exactly like Fallout 4. The AAAA MMO has graphics comparable to something from 5 years ago.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 22:30

Spatial: Nov 15, 2007

Dwesa posted:

Maybe procedural salads are next?

Well they did procedural fried eggs already, for that canteen scene they've worked on for 3 years

# ? Oct 5, 2020 22:35

colonelwest: Jun 30, 2018

Pixelate posted:

Cyberpunk looking good

https://v.redd.it/nrgaidh88br51/DASH_480.mp4

Lol great stuff. Remember when all of those Citizens said hunger and thirst meters would be fun because the eating and drinking animation would be amazingly fidelitous?

colonelwest fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Oct 5, 2020

# ? Oct 5, 2020 23:15

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

Dwesa posted:

Apollo Space Program of game development, lmao

Apollo program started in 1961 and landed first man on the Moon in 8 years. What did SC achieve after 8 years?

Turbulent, some kind of aggressive marketing company, may be converted into a video game studio because they are far better at marketing the video game than the guys actually making the video game, and it looks like everybody thinks they should just do it themselves now.

That's kind of an achievement.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 23:46

Orange Carlisle: Jul 14, 2007

I'm so excited for Cyberpunk to set this game back another 15 years lol

# ? Oct 5, 2020 23:46

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

UnknownTarget posted:

The "tools" he's referring to is Adobe Substance Designer, a definitely not CIG product and something that is very standard in the visual effects industry. CIG is using it to generate a heightmap, then they probably have a bit of custom code which lets them bring that in and apply it as a displacement map to the in-game terrain.

Look, here it is in Unreal Engine: https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/Engine/Landscape/Custom/index.html

Like holy poo poo how are these people so ignorant of the biggest goddamn thing in their lives? It's like a car enthusiast not knowing that you need gas to run a vehicle or at least that the engine works by burning gas in tiny explosions. What the gently caress is with this mindless consumerism that has infected these people's brains?

Didn't know substance could do that well. I figured it'd be something like World Machine.

Either way I hope Adobe doesn't crash the Substance ship into the rocks.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 23:50

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

Mirificus posted:

https://twitter.com/BGLeodran/status/1312788134304911366

Well, now there's only 98 jobs left. You better move fast!

# ? Oct 5, 2020 23:54

G0RF: Mar 19, 2015; Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

SaltEMike: 3.11 is Boring (�I�ve never been less excited about Star Citizen than I am now�)

I�m gonna go out on a limb here, Twerk. It might have something to do with you playing a good dogfighting game, one produced for a modest budget by an evil publisher, and enjoying it more than you�ve ever enjoyed playing The BDSSE...

Just a hunch.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 23:54

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

Pixelate posted:

So citizens are dying constantly in the PTU

The deaths at Port Olisar are a known issue, trapping people there permanently.

https://i.imgur.com/vN0H9je.mp4
(unmute)

https://i.imgur.com/6taHicf.mp4

The rest are a mystery.

Some say it's the sin of running too fast.

They're all fairly dramatic.

https://i.imgur.com/nCRHuqR.mp4

This is obviously all the room gas tech that CR has spent installing and coding into the mod himself.

# ? Oct 5, 2020 23:56

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

G0RF posted:

SaltEMike: 3.11 is Boring (�I�ve never been less excited about Star Citizen than I am now�)

I�m gonna go out on a limb here, Twerk. It might have something to do with you playing a good dogfighting game, one produced for a modest budget by an evil publisher, and enjoying it more than you�ve ever enjoyed playing The BDSSE...

Just a hunch.

Imagine the controversy all these people must have that they have to openly admit that something a big publisher has helped to make within a reasonable time frame at a reasonable price is.... gasp... good.

How can they have done this when they are so evil and stifle the developers need to make something perfect for infinity time and infinity money with poo poo-looking results at every release???

# ? Oct 5, 2020 23:58

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

Best Bi Geek Squid posted:

imagine this. you're halfway through your 39 minute qt jump to hurston in your idris. Suddenly you realize that you have to piss. You turn to your science officer and for a second you can't remember if he's an npc or you irl best friend you've known since elementary school. "scotty you have the conn" you say. you walk past marco, who your pretty sure is an npc, lining up a shot on the pool table. you don't interrupt him - he's been a bit grouchy since his pc wife left him and he's had to sleep on hand soljo's foldout sofa bed.

you arrive at the executive head. You line up to the space toilet and watch as your character seamlessly unzips his suit and perfectly aligns with the urinal. Your cock has more polygons than all of the models in skyrim put together. "red 5, going in!" You shout. a little bit splashes on the floor. a new player rushes forward to wipe it up. You smile as you tip him a few credits. maybe he'll have his own idris someday.

just another day in the verse

And this is where if your character was female and had to sit a lesser developer might say "we don't need to animate something you can't see because it's all obscured by a toilet" but no, not CR. He had several women motion capture this and the individual droplets are in 4K resolution and just knowing that they are there, affected by the gravity of your ship and yellowed perfectly to your hydration and oxygen intake levels... is why Star Citizen is the best ever and will never be finished.

# ? Oct 6, 2020 00:05

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

hello

recent "big ask" for another round of investments
this will include another round of monies for advertising
this ask also includes a large amount directly to Turbulent
Turbulent currently handles some networking, level design, gameplay design and more for SC
"We are not working on anything related to Squadron 42. That is all being handled by Wilmslow."
more and more of SC proper to be turned over to Turbulent
it has been a "rough transition" and still in process
starting this quarter, expect "a more detailed, polished and presentable roadmap" from Turbulent
unknown if this transition will be announced
"We don't know how are fans are going to react, but Chris is still heavily involved in the project."
Turbulent "only adding help" not "taking away development" from CI
"We are the same company, the same people, the same ones that have been working [on SC] this whole time."
some Turbulent employees feel sad about only being referred to as "the website guys"
"Loads of us play the game, love the game, fixed bugs, [and] have helped make gameplay decisions."
the stalled progress this year has made some management nervous about new deadlines
internally, SC is considered a live game and released [again, heard this years ago]
SQ42 "proper" is at least another 24 to 36 months out
as more and more new hires are brought in to replace devs, the code base gets more and more unstable.
"Almost no one is documenting. Almost no one talks to each other. We nod like bobbleheads, mute like carps."

# ? Oct 6, 2020 00:18

bbchops: Jul 26, 2001; Ho ho ho! I'll have the same again!; Nap Ghost

TheAgent posted:

hello

starting this quarter, expect "a more detailed, polished and presentable roadmap" from Turbulent

Of course. Perfect.

# ? Oct 6, 2020 00:37

The Titanic: Sep 15, 2016; Unsinkable

Thoatse posted:

https://i.imgur.com/KOvWs7r.mp4

Yus!

# ? Oct 6, 2020 00:37

cmdrk: Jun 10, 2013

Zaphod42 posted:

I really hate this auture theory bullshit where all credit gets ascribed to one man who's name was on the box, and all the other people who worked with him and made poo poo work get completely erased.

Roberts didn't even work on Wing Commander 2 right? Lmao. This is some Trump stuff right here.

Sooo... what you're saying is.. pledge now for President Crobear? I'm ready for the most transparent government and fidelitious presidency of all time.

# ? Oct 6, 2020 00:53

Quavers: Feb 26, 2016; You clearly don't understand game development

Orange Carlisle posted:

I'm so excited for Cyberpunk to set this game back another 15 years lol

I'm betting they've been crunching for months to get a fake Sq42 demo video together for CitizenCon-but-not-really-cos-COVID this weekend, to bullshit its development progress :pervert:

But then they played Star Wars Squadrons and realized it owned whatever they were faking :doh:

I hope this week is funny :suspense:

# ? Oct 6, 2020 01:33

Sarsapariller: Aug 14, 2015; Occasional vampire queen

TheAgent posted:

hello

recent "big ask" for another round of investments

this will include another round of monies for advertising

this ask also includes a large amount directly to Turbulent

Turbulent currently handles some networking, level design, gameplay design and more for SC

"We are not working on anything related to Squadron 42. That is all being handled by Wilmslow."

more and more of SC proper to be turned over to Turbulent

it has been a "rough transition" and still in process

starting this quarter, expect "a more detailed, polished and presentable roadmap" from Turbulent

unknown if this transition will be announced

"We don't know how are fans are going to react, but Chris is still heavily involved in the project."

Turbulent "only adding help" not "taking away development" from CI

"We are the same company, the same people, the same ones that have been working [on SC] this whole time."

some Turbulent employees feel sad about only being referred to as "the website guys"

"Loads of us play the game, love the game, fixed bugs, [and] have helped make gameplay decisions."

the stalled progress this year has made some management nervous about new deadlines

internally, SC is considered a live game and released [again, heard this years ago]

SQ42 "proper" is at least another 24 to 36 months out

as more and more new hires are brought in to replace devs, the code base gets more and more unstable.

"Almost no one is documenting. Almost no one talks to each other. We nod like bobbleheads, mute like carps."

I don't get how these programming guy leakers always have the scoop on what's going on up in the C-Suite with investors and stuff. I never know what my execs are up to unless they deign to tell me at a company meeting, and why would Chris be announcing this?

That said, if it is true- imagine what kind of control will have to be relinquished for further funding? Also, could this be the cause of Chris's mysterious recent re-appearance as a forums ghost?

# ? Oct 6, 2020 01:33

Quavers: Feb 26, 2016; You clearly don't understand game development

TheAgent posted:

hello

recent "big ask" for another round of investments

this will include another round of monies for advertising

this ask also includes a large amount directly to Turbulent

Turbulent currently handles some networking, level design, gameplay design and more for SC

"We are not working on anything related to Squadron 42. That is all being handled by Wilmslow."

more and more of SC proper to be turned over to Turbulent

it has been a "rough transition" and still in process

starting this quarter, expect "a more detailed, polished and presentable roadmap" from Turbulent

unknown if this transition will be announced

"We don't know how are fans are going to react, but Chris is still heavily involved in the project."

Turbulent "only adding help" not "taking away development" from CI

"We are the same company, the same people, the same ones that have been working [on SC] this whole time."

some Turbulent employees feel sad about only being referred to as "the website guys"

"Loads of us play the game, love the game, fixed bugs, [and] have helped make gameplay decisions."

the stalled progress this year has made some management nervous about new deadlines

internally, SC is considered a live game and released [again, heard this years ago]

SQ42 "proper" is at least another 24 to 36 months out

as more and more new hires are brought in to replace devs, the code base gets more and more unstable.

"Almost no one is documenting. Almost no one talks to each other. We nod like bobbleheads, mute like carps."

# ? Oct 6, 2020 01:38

Zaphod42: Sep 13, 2012; If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

TheAgent posted:

hello

recent "big ask" for another round of investments

this will include another round of monies for advertising

this ask also includes a large amount directly to Turbulent

Turbulent currently handles some networking, level design, gameplay design and more for SC

"We are not working on anything related to Squadron 42. That is all being handled by Wilmslow."

more and more of SC proper to be turned over to Turbulent

it has been a "rough transition" and still in process

starting this quarter, expect "a more detailed, polished and presentable roadmap" from Turbulent

unknown if this transition will be announced

"We don't know how are fans are going to react, but Chris is still heavily involved in the project."

Turbulent "only adding help" not "taking away development" from CI

"We are the same company, the same people, the same ones that have been working [on SC] this whole time."

some Turbulent employees feel sad about only being referred to as "the website guys"

"Loads of us play the game, love the game, fixed bugs, [and] have helped make gameplay decisions."

the stalled progress this year has made some management nervous about new deadlines

internally, SC is considered a live game and released [again, heard this years ago]

SQ42 "proper" is at least another 24 to 36 months out

as more and more new hires are brought in to replace devs, the code base gets more and more unstable.

"Almost no one is documenting. Almost no one talks to each other. We nod like bobbleheads, mute like carps."

The Aristocrats!!

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AngusPodgorny: Jun 3, 2004; Please to be restful, it is only a puffin that has from the puffin place outbroken.

Sarsapariller posted:

I don't get how these programming guy leakers always have the scoop on what's going on up in the C-Suite with investors and stuff. I never know what my execs are up to unless they deign to tell me at a company meeting, and why would Chris be announcing this?

Some of it could be coming from a secretary or assistant, who tend to know a shocking amount about what's really going on with a company. And the executives don't seem like the type to inspire a lot of loyalty from support staff that have to interact with them on a daily basis.

# ? Oct 6, 2020 01:48

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