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Depending how thick your gpu is you may not fit 25mm fans in the bottom, and may not fit a 25mm fan in the top just above the CPU cooler depending on the distance of the CPU socket to the top edge of the motherboard, but negative pressure up top seems to be the best in general.
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buglord posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADgZXh_p_NA Good god the SG15. e: No SFX bracket!?!?!? ijyt fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Oct 5, 2020 |
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It’s kinda wild to me that all the previous SG-14 prototypes were way off the mark too. Starting to think maybe the SG-13 was a one time happy accident. The Just Cause 2 of the series.
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Oct 5, 2020 19:08
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Butterfly Valley posted:advice for cooling in my nr200p build
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Oct 5, 2020 19:13
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anyone want a ncase m1 v3 at a discount? It's fine, but I want to switch to something different. From the US It'll fit 5700XTs and everything but the girthiest of cards. Includes some filters and whatever else i can salvage
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Installed the 3090 FE into the NR200, I’ll try to update later with thermals and some tests but the cooler is very impressive. https://imgur.com/a/RnFIGUq
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Oct 5, 2020 19:30
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buglord posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADgZXh_p_NA Tbh that seemed like a way lazier review than he normally does and it doesn't look like he tested the primary thing you'd probably be interested in that case for (nh-d15s + 140mm exhaust fans). I'd still be interested in seeing someone do that before I just write it off...
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I had the SG14 and returned it for many of the same reasons that review had. The D15 barely fit and you could use it with the middle fan, not enough room for a second 140mm and only room for a slim fan as exhaust next to the CPU cooler. The GPU Support bracket interfered with installation and my EVGA backplate was making contact with the metal panel behind it. It was very disappointing, the NR200 is a much better case IMO.
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Oct 5, 2020 21:22
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B-Mac posted:I had the SG14 and returned it for many of the same reasons that review had. The D15 barely fit and you could use it with the middle fan, not enough room for a second 140mm and only room for a slim fan as exhaust next to the CPU cooler. The GPU Support bracket interfered with installation and my EVGA backplate was making contact with the metal panel behind it. It was very disappointing, the NR200 is a much better case IMO. Getting a standard thickness exhaust fan behind the d15 would be entirely dependant on the distance of the socket to the io edge on the motherboard, no? Or does the mount actually protrude inward? Sucks about the gpu support though, I had high hopes.
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VorpalFish posted:Getting a standard thickness exhaust fan behind the d15 would be entirely dependant on the distance of the socket to the io edge on the motherboard, no? Or does the mount actually protrude inward? I know some AMD ITX boards have the socket shifted upwards but I haven’t heard of any intel or AMD boards that have different distances from the rear of the board. I really wanted to like the case and based on paper specs it sounded great but it didn’t turn out very well in my opinion.
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Silverstone is getting out dated in general. They had good ideas back in the Shuttle days, but now their R&D to production time can’t keep up with these purpose built tiny cases. They can eventually get costs down, but it looks like it takes a lot of compromise. Even on the PSU side, when I originally wrote the OP no one was competing in the SFX/L space and now I see no reason not to get a Corsair instead. I don’t think their ATX sized stuff is doing particularly interesting either.
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Thanks all for the advice and links!
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Silverstone's RVZ03 ITX case got a great review on GamersNexus and that's semi recent. Maybe thats where their A-team works? Im curious how R&D works and gets their inspiration. The SG-14 seems like it was made by people who heard of ITX but never saw it before.
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Here is my long rear end post with some 10900K and 3090 FE data in the NR200 if anyone gives a poo poo. https://imgur.com/a/RnFIGUq 10900K 4.8 ghz all core Adaptive Vcore with -140 mV offset LLC Medium (VR OUT 1.17V - 1.19V) Noctua U12A with A12x25 (2) Cpu Cooler Intake 80% Fan Speed (1670 RPM) Noctua A12x25 (2) Top Exhaust 80% Fan Speed (1670 RPM) Noctua A12x25 (2) Bottom Intake 80% Fan Speed (1670 RPM) Nvidia 3090 FE Stock Auto Fan 30% (800 RPM) Real Bench 2.56 30 Minutes CPU AVG 69C to 74C CPU MAX 73C to 78C CPU PWR AVG 154W CPU PWR MAX 161W GPU AVG 56C GPU MAX 59C GPU PWR AVG 349W GPU PWR MAX 351W Blender Benchmark CPU MAX 72C to 77C CPU PWR MAX 180W GPU Tests Nvidia 3090 FE 1860 Mhz @ 850 mV Fans Auto 30% | 800 RPM Fire Stike Ultra Graphics - 12363 Fire Strike Extreme Graphics - 23574 TimeSpy Extreme Graphics - 10192 TimeSpy Graphics - 19514 Port Royal - 12977 Superposition 4K Optimized - 16278 Undervolting Performance Control 1440P High with RT High All noctua A12x25 fans are set to 45% (1000 RPM) for the GPU tests. PL 114% 400W 64C with 43% Fan 1140 RPM 77-78FPS Very audible coil whine at 400W PL 100% 350W 61C with 33% Fan 880 RPM 75-76 FPS Coil whine present but can't really hear it unless I'm close to the case. 1830@850 mV 330W 60C with 31% 830 RPM 76-77 FPS 1800@800 mV 300W 58C with 30% Fan 800 RPM 75-76 FPS The 3090 FE cooler is a monster and the best air cooler I have seen on a GPU. 64C with a 400W output with the low noise levels to just insane to me. I'm still playing around to find my final clockspeed and voltage levels for the undervolt but I don't think overclocking is worth the heat or additional coil whine. I think the voltage sweetspot will be somewhere between 800 mV and 850 mV B-Mac fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Oct 6, 2020 |
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buglord posted:Silverstone's RVZ03 ITX case got a great review on GamersNexus and that's semi recent. Maybe thats where their A-team works? Im curious how R&D works and gets their inspiration. The SG-14 seems like it was made by people who heard of ITX but never saw it before. Silverstone in general seems to just be extremely hit and miss and it’s weird how wildly variable even the appearance of effort on their various cases is. For every nice, modern design, there’s one that wouldn’t have been out of place from a 2005 OEM builder or something.
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I dunno, I'm very much contemplating getting an SG14 and that Optimum Tech review made me want it more because that review takes a poo poo on everything in it that appeals to me. It seems to hit all the notes that the NR200 (and most of the ITX market) misses. ATX PSU support which the NR200 could have done easily with a bracket but didn't because no reason. 5,25" support is awesome at under 20l. Has included feet for vertical orientation. Big air cooler support for days. No glass panel bullshit, only perforated side panels. It's also cheaper than the NR200P which is important where I live since no one is stocking the cheaper NR200 here making the SG14 effectively cheaper. Yes, it's not a tiny case but it's literally just a liter over the supposedly superior NR200 but why make something that has the same limited support as a competitor when you can appeal to a wider audience. If you really need to have an SFX PSU in your case that supports a better PSU, just buy the Silverstone SFX bracket you rich bastard, they probably aren't supplying one because they know you can afford it.
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Okay, as a certified dumb dumb whose PSU knowledge is “these are the sizes. More watts is better but there’s such a thing as enough watts. Modular good. Brand name and/or long warranty good. 80+ ratings are proxy for good components but don’t sweat gold Vs. Plat” (correct any of that if it’s wrong btw) Are there any severe gotchas between the Silverstone SX-700-G which can be had at a reasonable price, and the Corsair SF750 which is hard to track down, setting aside the 50 Watt difference? Any other reasons that the Corsair would be a notably better PSU? Chevy Slyme fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Oct 6, 2020 |
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B-Mac posted:Noctua A12x25 (2) Bottom Intake 80% Fan Speed (1670 RPM) Lmao I wondered how you were fitting two bottom fans underneath the 3090 and did a lol when I saw your picture Re: my cooling questions the other day, I watched a bunch of that guy's videos that were linked and it seems the FUMA 2 doesn't have room for the rear top fan that comes with my nr200p. Also he found that bottom fans were of mostly negligible benefit, so I've decided to get the Noctua U12A instead as that does have headroom for both top fans, and run them all as exhaust. Then depending on what 3070/80 I get and what clearance I have I can look at getting some intake fans for the bottom if I'm not happy with thermals/noise.
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CaptainPsyko posted:Okay, as a certified dumb dumb whose PSU knowledge is “these are the sizes. More watts is better but there’s such a thing as enough watts. Modular good. Brand name and/or long warranty good. 80+ ratings are proxy for good components but don’t sweat gold Vs. Plat” (correct any of that if it’s wrong btw) The SX700 is SFX-L, which makes it longer than the SF750. An example of this being a problem is the old SG-05, where if you had the optical/storage drive sled installed, an SFX-L would be too long. The upside is a larger fan for quieter operation. So you trade size and maximum power for a quieter unit.
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Warmachine posted:The SX700 is SFX-L, which makes it longer than the SF750. An example of this being a problem is the old SG-05, where if you had the optical/storage drive sled installed, an SFX-L would be too long. Sorry, I meant the SX700-G. The standard SFX size one.
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The corsair sf platinum variants are apparently very quiet. Just impossible to buy a lot of the time.
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Butterfly Valley posted:Lmao I wondered how you were fitting two bottom fans underneath the 3090 and did a lol when I saw your picture I won’t lie, it looks pretty dumb lol. That said it’s under my desk and I don’t see it so I don’t care. Those fans bringing air to the FE cooler definitely helps with temps. Going from 50% to 100% fan speed drops temps another 4C to 5C.
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VorpalFish posted:The corsair sf platinum variants are apparently very quiet. Just impossible to buy a lot of the time. From what I remember, even the gold units are quieter than most SFX-L PSUs.
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CaptainPsyko posted:Okay, as a certified dumb dumb whose PSU knowledge is “these are the sizes. More watts is better but there’s such a thing as enough watts. Modular good. Brand name and/or long warranty good. 80+ ratings are proxy for good components but don’t sweat gold Vs. Plat” (correct any of that if it’s wrong btw) I believe this website was posted before but this guy reviews that nitty gritty side of PSUs with the noise graphs and wizard energy scopes to see if its likely to burn your house down or fry your components. I usually check him out when im in the market for an additional PSU which isn't my usual choice. https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2018/11/06/corsair-sf600-platinum-power-supply/
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Cooler master has put up 3D printing model files for ATX power supply bracket to fit NR200 case on their website because their supply chain is too slow to make them.
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VorpalFish posted:The corsair sf platinum variants are apparently very quiet. Just impossible to buy a lot of the time. what is a power supply? a miserable pile of capacitors my 750 arrived today, and in original shrinkwrapped packaging, which is a surprise from TYOOL 2020 newegg
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buglord posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADgZXh_p_NA Have a feeling the NR200 is gonna stomp everything for a while (hence why it won't be in stock here for prob 6 months)
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Would be cool if Fractal made a Meshify ITX case.
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teagone posted:Would be cool if Fractal made a Meshify ITX case. Yeah their last ITX attempt didn't go so well
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That case is such garbage, I have no idea what fractal was thinking.
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B-Mac posted:That case is such garbage, I have no idea what fractal was thinking. It reminds me of the Xbox 360 with those tacky skins you could apply to the faceplate and top of the console.
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Found a deshrouded TUF 3080 in an M1; OP says that thermals didn't change much but noise levels were improved. Very interesting, planning on doing something like this.teagone posted:Would be cool if Fractal made a Meshify ITX case.
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32L even seems like a reasonable size when you compare it to the ITX case Asus just released https://www.asus.com/us/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-Z11/overview/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiNnwHk_ZKs (literally 40L)
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The Nano S is a good ITX case, but it's definitely not SFF at 27L.
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Llamadeus posted:32L even seems like a reasonable size when you compare it to the ITX case Asus just released This case is breathtakingly dumb.
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denereal visease posted:They did, it's 32L
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denereal visease posted:They did, it's 32L I'd like to see Meshify shrunk down to around the size of an NR200. Call it the Meshify C Pico or something.
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teagone posted:I'd like to see Meshify shrunk down to around the size of an NR200. Call it the Meshify C Pico or something. Problem these case makers run into with a traditional tower layout style case is that the mitx motherboard is quite small but the video cards are quite long in comparison. Once you make the tower big enough to give the gpu enough room with cooling at the front it fucks up the proportions.
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I think the next logical step for more airflow is just to do what the Dancase C4 prototype does and allow flipping the entire case, giving the GPU access to direct airflow:
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Has anyone actually found a way to slap an AIO onto a 3080 yet? I've got ideas for a SFF build, but it'd be much better if I could go dual AIOs than dealing with open-air cooling.
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