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piratepilates posted:agreed, but I have to admit I still get a good chuckle out of "sheer loving hubris". Sure that one example is good Saying gently caress to Picard's face is quite something in and of itself
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MikeJF posted:Nah I think the bleeps are genuinely funnier than swears in this show's setting. They should have replaced the bleeps with a TNG-era computer error prompt noise.
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Drone posted:They should have replaced the bleeps with a TNG-era computer error prompt noise. Lol That or TOS phaser fire Red alert klaxon?
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The Bloop posted:Lol Photon torpedoes for all your ph-bomb needs https://youtu.be/tPImB7ePTwo
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skasion posted:Photon torpedoes for all your ph-bomb needs That's exactly what I was thinking. It would be like the guitar riff in metalocalypse
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Tiggum posted:Pretty sure the captain literally said it was a secret. Holo-captain or actual captain?
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I think it's funny that Beckett Mariner and Michael Burnham are such similar characters (talented but insubordinate) but it's Burnham who has the career path straight out of a cartoon.
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The Golden Gael posted:I think it's funny that Beckett Mariner and Michael Burnham are such similar characters (talented but insubordinate) but it's Burnham who has the career path straight out of a cartoon. And Mariner is the one of the two who has a captain for a mother, and her father is also high ranking 
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Plus their initials are literally inverted. This is the first of the new shows where none of the main cast piss me off. They finally got 'starry eyed naive newbie' right with Tendi, after doing that character archetype in the other two shows.
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MikeJF posted:Bit about the lower decks music, also they confirm that production was really rushed before the premiere because Lower Decks was moved up two months in the schedule at the last minute (probably switching launch date with Discovery to give Discovery some extra production time), on top of Covid slowing everything down unexpectedly. I must be an enlightened Trekkie as I never assumed it was anything but "gently caress" when I heard that line.
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Most sane people think it was gently caress, because you probably aren’t going to see the other word on non prestige tv again
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It would be cool if posters in this thread wouldn't equate wondering if a different word had been said there with having a mental illness.
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It would also be cool if people didn’t jump to wild conclusions but hey we don’t live in that world
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CharlestheHammer posted:Most sane people think it was gently caress, because you probably aren’t going to see the other word on non prestige tv again
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I get that I'm sort of crazy and probably a bit deaf, I just have a history as a recipient of said slur and wasn't sure how far this show was willing to go for a joke, so alarm bells went off in my head. I understand now that it was fucks, and apologize for bringing this scourge upon the thread with my initial concern
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CharlestheHammer posted:It would also be cool if people didn’t jump to wild conclusions but hey we don’t live in that world "hey they show 2 dudes walking away holding hands and someone goes "godspeed you crazy f****'s" and it kind of sounds like they used a homophobic slur" isn't really jumping to wild conclusions but go off, I guess e: CPColin posted:It would be cool if posters in this thread wouldn't equate
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Also, some people involved with LDS are responsible for the infamous clip from Rick and Morty decrying that Rick is not allowed to use the word retarded in civilized conversation. It's not much of a stretch to picture a writer using the slur, and defending it.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Most sane people think it was gently caress, because you probably aren’t going to see the other word on non prestige tv again My (male) husband and I did simultaneous "Did she just....." when we initially heard it. While it's not my job to tell you the sexuality of the regular posters here, I'm not the only queer trek poster and I'm not the only one who did this double take. Our own perspectives and lived experiences make some of us reach different conclusions on what we heard at first - the uncensored clip demonstrates a weird line read; sounds more like fox than fucks so the slight ambiguity here created the opening for incorrect interpretation. CharlestheHammer likely hasn't had to endure the high school experience of getting called that word almost every single day as a teenager. If they get to make broad baseless assumptions about the sanity of LGBTQI posters here, then I get to assume they are a 30-40 year old white straight cis-male american, and I will not have one of those tell me what is and is not sane. I still don't understand why the beep anyway, they don't take this censored approach with DIS or PIC. If CBS think that this show is going to open up the teen market for star trek, instead of the usual trekkie cohort, then they're the ones who need their sanity questioned.
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Gelf posted:My (male) husband and I did simultaneous "Did she just....." when we initially heard it. While it's not my job to tell you the sexuality of the regular posters here, I'm not the only queer trek poster and I'm not the only one who did this double take.  both my bf and I squinted at the line read too. We concluded it probably was 'fucks' but the fact that doubt even existed should be pause for thought.
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I think T'Ana is the only one they bleep, and it's for comedic effect because sometimes bleeps are funnier than just saying the word. With that being said, The_Doctor posted:
This was my thought and conclusion as well. They should have had her say fuckers so it was less ambiguous.
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I totally agree it's a complete unnecessary controversy and they should have caught it I was just saying that, not your immediate reaction, but if anyone actually thought the star trek cartoon used that slur as a joke after rewinding or just thinking about it, that's pretty shocking to me Much love and respect to you goons who have EVER had to hear it directed at you or anyone you care about 
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https://twitter.com/LordHobbers/status/1313152227809415168?s=20 drat, it works
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Crashbee posted:It's a little odd then that holo-Mariner's first words to Vindicta were to tell her the captain's her mother. Well the ship had just crashed, and also it was a movie where you can drop those bombshells.
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Cross-Section posted:https://twitter.com/LordHobbers/status/1313152227809415168?s=20 Really (canonically) those should be the uniforms but the basically TNG uniforms look better with the art direction of the series. Everything is bright and pops and those are too drab.
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I actually like the Lower Decks uniforms far more than the Picard flashback ones except for the extremely dumb color-coordinated boots and soles. They almost work for an animated show but they’d look like cheap sneakers in live action.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I actually like the Lower Decks uniforms far more than the Picard flashback ones except for the extremely dumb color-coordinated boots and soles. They almost work for an animated show but they’d look like cheap sneakers in live action. I still don’t get why sci/med gets white boots.
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I can't wait until Seasons 3 or 4 when the crew starts complaining about having to put on new uniforms. And Freeman says she's delayed it for as long as she can. Maybe they can clarify and canonize the whole uniform situation.
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Martytoof posted:Really? Huh. Then maybe this is just a case of “maybe kids are watching” and it’s easier to make one audio track upload an alt-audio track. Canada also has considerably looser content guidelines for broadcast networks, so we can have hard unbleeped swearing on our prime time blocks, but Canadian-produced shows usually shy away from it specifically to help their prospects of being aired on US television. CityTV, one of our ABC-NBC-CBS equivalent main broadcaster channels up here once used to show literal soft core porn with unblurred genitals at 1 AM on Friday nights under its official banner, that's how lax things are up here. The example I like to cite is ReBoot, which was crushed to paste under the weight of ABC's adherence to US Broadcast Standards & Practices in its first two seasons, and then when it was dropped by ABC at the end of Season 2, it ripped the shackles off and veered heavily into darker, more mature storytelling (for a kids show) because YTV let them get away with straight up murder, they didn't give a poo poo, it was basically a flagship show up here.
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To be honest I'm not actually a hundred percent sure that Lower Decks really needs to be rated what it is and go for adult, I don't think the show would miss much at all without the bleeped swearing instances and the heavier gore. If they just toned the worst of the visuals down slightly it'd be exactly the same and PG and wouldn't lose anything, I reckon.
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MikeJF posted:Bit about the lower decks music, also they confirm that production was really rushed before the premiere because Lower Decks was moved up two months in the schedule at the last minute (probably switching launch date with Discovery to give Discovery some extra production time), on top of Covid slowing everything down unexpectedly. I'm.really glad to hear that because I watch this with a group of people every week and they are mostly non trekkies I am slowly converting and I'll be honest we all thought it was the slur version and were very surprised. Loved the episode but that did stand out. Glad I can clear that up for everyone
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Maybe I'm just naive, but the slur didn't even cross my mind because in my wildest dreams I wouldn't think to come across it in a Star Trek cartoon.
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Martytoof posted:Maybe I'm just naive, but the slur didn't even cross my mind because in my wildest dreams I wouldn't think to come across it in a Star Trek cartoon. That was my take, too.
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I’d never have expected it too, but given the Rick and Morty pedigree, I wonder how many people would have believed it as an edgy ‘we might have said it but you’ll never prove it cause of the bleep’. To be honest it’s something I’m kinda surprised wasn’t picked up during a screening and carefully adjusted before broadcast.
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I've watched this episode 3 times now and it still sounds like the slur instead of "fucks" even after hearing the uncensored version
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MikeJF posted:To be honest I'm not actually a hundred percent sure that Lower Decks really needs to be rated what it is and go for adult, I don't think the show would miss much at all without the bleeped swearing instances and the heavier gore. If they just toned the worst of the visuals down slightly it'd be exactly the same and PG and wouldn't lose anything, I reckon. I straight up hate the gore. I like everything else but the gore annoys me. I used to go on rotten.com when I was younger, so it's not a matter of being squeamish. I just don't like it, it doesn't belong to me.
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The gore is mostly silly stuff and I hate to drat the show with the faintest of praise but it's so much less gratuitous and out of place than in either discovery or Picard
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Tars Tarkas posted:I've watched this episode 3 times now and it still sounds like the slur instead of "fucks" even after hearing the uncensored version Yeeeeeah, I heard it that way too and it’s because they end the bleep on the S instead of the K. I’m also not crazy about them continuing to use a gendered slur like bitch, but that’s hardly a problem exclusive to Lower Decks.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Yeeeeeah, I heard it that way too and it’s because they end the bleep on the S instead of the K. This thread actually made me think about that earlier today Like, in another decade or two are we going to be cringing at that word on old media with similar intensity? Especially applied to men? I'll admit it's probably less bad on the slur-o-meter, but it's definitely not good
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