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super nailgun
Jan 1, 2014


The rain is back and it's fuckin' beautiful, man. Been just vibing listening to it all day.

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George
Nov 27, 2004

No love for your made-up things.
It’s kinda all over the map. Mostly predictably liberal takes like “would Carmen Best have been treated the same if she were white” but I’m working on building a louder left caucus in our unions. There are a few actual chuds kicking around, too but our department makes it necessary for them to keep their mouths shut about it at least.

A lot of the really progressive staff are intermittent, which means they have no real benefits or job security. In fact we’ve mostly eliminated them from our department now to save money.

At the risk of doxxing myself, I did some yelling at my rep recently and found out I’m in the same union as the loving Nav team. See, there’s a lot of class disparity between work crews, front-line site staff, and back-office bureaucrats. I’d say the former is most likely to hold some yikes positions, the second is more left but still pretty liberal, and the last is full-blown cynical capitalist shill. With some hard-fought exceptions here and there obviously.

The Puppy Bowl
Jan 31, 2013

A dog, in the house.

*woof*

George posted:

I’m a city employee and that has been my desktop background at work since it was taken.

Very nice.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


article by jamie kirchik lol

https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/1309157633585152000

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
I've never loving heard of this guy, but he has a serious case of LibBrain.

wet_goods
Jun 21, 2004

I'M BAAD!
Stay safe, Portland goons

Coffee Jones
Jul 4, 2004

16 bit? Back when we was kids we only got a single bit on Christmas, as a treat
And we had to share it!

therobit posted:

Who's this Culp idiot there are signs for all over Washington? The Uncle Sam sigh was congratulating her so I figure she's a piece of poo poo but her signs were all over Bellingham.

Saw a bunch of these people in Redmond “Honk if you love cops!”

A quarter of the people here are on a visa. No they don’t want attention from LE.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Hey look it's another white man with authority who the rules don't apply to

https://twitter.com/andymcmillan/status/1311295200866611201?s=20

https://twitter.com/andymcmillan/status/1311452909427539969?s=20

The Puppy Bowl
Jan 31, 2013

A dog, in the house.

*woof*
I've really begun to dislike this guy.

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

The Puppy Bowl posted:

I've really begun to dislike this guy.

Yeah. Hey! This guy sucks!

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


i’ve been somewhat following this race from seattle and kinda just assumed iannarone had no shot...... looks like she might crush ted? anyone have a good feel for this?

https://twitter.com/rachelamonahan/status/1313220192483246080?s=21

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

i’ve been somewhat following this race from seattle and kinda just assumed iannarone had no shot...... looks like she might crush ted? anyone have a good feel for this?

https://twitter.com/rachelamonahan/status/1313220192483246080?s=21

I'm skeptical. The machine usually wins. That said, I'm phone banking for her tonight.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

i’ve been somewhat following this race from seattle and kinda just assumed iannarone had no shot...... looks like she might crush ted? anyone have a good feel for this?

https://twitter.com/rachelamonahan/status/1313220192483246080?s=21

I haven't been following this race at all; is Iannarone the progressive candidate?

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

Thanatosian posted:

I haven't been following this race at all; is Iannarone the progressive candidate?

Yes, Ted wheeler is the incumbent and generally supported by the democratic machine. There is also a small write in campaign by Teresa Rainforest who is not on the ballot.

strange feelings re Daisy
Aug 2, 2000

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

i’ve been somewhat following this race from seattle and kinda just assumed iannarone had no shot...... looks like she might crush ted? anyone have a good feel for this?
Sounds correct. Wheeler and Iannarone were already tied in the polls months ago and people are even more pissed at Wheeler now. Early in the year many progressives were worried about Iannarone's lack of experience in government but no one gives a poo poo anymore. I'd vote for a paper bag labeled "Not Ted Wheeler" at this point.

She's the only candidate that is willing to directly confront the police instead of giving a mealy mouthed "just a few bad apples who need more training" speech. She received a ton of endorsements from local civil rights leaders this past month.

Wheeler isn't popular with conservative democrats either. They think he's been too soft on the homeless and protesters and blame him for the tent cities and civil unrest. Those people won't vote for Iannarone but they'll stay home. He's essentially lost both the left and right flanks of his constituency as well as any centrists that were remotely involved in the protests.

Thaddius the Large
Jul 5, 2006

It's in the five-hole!

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

i’ve been somewhat following this race from seattle and kinda just assumed iannarone had no shot...... looks like she might crush ted? anyone have a good feel for this?

https://twitter.com/rachelamonahan/status/1313220192483246080?s=21

I’d be shocked if Portland voters actually did the obviously good thing and tossed out Wheeler, he’s the business friendly choice and the absolute definition of a limousine liberal and that’s about all that matters for a lot of people here. That said, even with the business bump literally everybody in the world seems to hate Wheeler, and the only life in his campaign is coming straight out of his checkbook, so it’s a tossup.

The Puppy Bowl
Jan 31, 2013

A dog, in the house.

*woof*
If that write in campaign is the difference between us getting tear gassed for another 4 years and not I'm going to be pretty irked.

Lazy_Liberal
Sep 17, 2005

These stones are :sparkles: precious :sparkles:
Yes, well, I guess it is tradition in this country to be mad at third party candidates even though they're usually the best.

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G
Teressa lost in the runoff to ted and sarah. She couldn't make a good case then, so I fail to see what new ideas she's bringing to the table.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Oscar Wild posted:

Teressa lost in the runoff to ted and sarah. She couldn't make a good case then, so I fail to see what new ideas she's bringing to the table.

Abolishing PPB has skyrocketed in popularity as a policy position in the last six months for some reason.

Thaddius the Large
Jul 5, 2006

It's in the five-hole!

Oscar Wild posted:

Teressa lost in the runoff to ted and sarah. She couldn't make a good case then, so I fail to see what new ideas she's bringing to the table.

I won’t make a case for either of those candidates, but my arbitrary neutral response is there are enough significant structural barriers for any anti-establishment candidate, especially a woman of color, that I understand and respect the tenacity of her campaign regardless of the primary, this is a personal and compelling issue to her, and taking it beyond “oh well you played the game now go home” is a very good thing in this era of calcified liberal platforms. Whether that offsets the current standing and your perspective on her candidacy is yours to decide!

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

I think if the May primary had been in June Teressa Raiford would have had a much better showing, quite possibly even being on the November ballot. But it is what it is. Last I heard she wasn't actively campaigning or bothering to engage with the media. Which given the heavy lift of a write-in campaign I think I'd want to see before voting for her. I got to say though Wheeler is definitely in trouble. I walk, a lot, for health and anxiety reasons, and I see a lot of yards with a lot of signs and Wheeler is the only candidate that I've seen zero public support for anywhere. I know yard signs aren't really much of anything, but seriously, I haven't seen a single one, and that's got to say something because I see Ianarone and Write-In Teressa Raiford and all kinds of people taking a side on the Mapps/Eudaly race. There's even a house with a Trump/Pence sign, but no Wheeler.

Greg12
Apr 22, 2020
Sarah is against mandatory setbacks, and good land use opinions are really the best you can hope for from a mayoral candidate.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Don't worry, more establishment money is pouring into Portland to tilt the race back in favor of that guy everyone hates:
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/10/07/a-new-coalition-will-spend-the-campaign-dollars-mayor-ted-wheeler-cant/

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


wow p big news

https://twitter.com/seattletimes/status/1313909166101192710?s=21

The Puppy Bowl
Jan 31, 2013

A dog, in the house.

*woof*

The Oldest Man posted:

Don't worry, more establishment money is pouring into Portland to tilt the race back in favor of that guy everyone hates:
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/10/07/a-new-coalition-will-spend-the-campaign-dollars-mayor-ted-wheeler-cant/

Wow. Wheeler's unjustified gutting of the parks department (pre-Covid) lost a lot of union jobs and still SEIU is dropping fat stacks on his doorstep. gently caress solidarity I guess.

Thaddius the Large
Jul 5, 2006

It's in the five-hole!

The Puppy Bowl posted:

Wow. Wheeler's unjustified gutting of the parks department (pre-Covid) lost a lot of union jobs and still SEIU is dropping fat stacks on his doorstep. gently caress solidarity I guess.

That and NAACP, despite the ongoing police brutality. Establishment money clings together, who’da thunk!

Gerund
Sep 12, 2007

He push a man


Feels like Capital figured out they need to have a couple of captured lib organizations to be a fig leaf before blowing their money on their establishment losers. Would be surprised if any money leaves either the Portland NAACP or SEIU that isn't rank payola.

Crumbskull
Sep 13, 2005

The worker and the soil

Hopefully they take down that insanely big American flag in West Seattle finally then.

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It

The Oldest Man posted:

Don't worry, more establishment money is pouring into Portland to tilt the race back in favor of that guy everyone hates:
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/10/07/a-new-coalition-will-spend-the-campaign-dollars-mayor-ted-wheeler-cant/
May thy knife chip and shatter.

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord

uh, didn't rite aid get bought by walgreens? where's all that money coming from?

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Freakazoid_ posted:

uh, didn't rite aid get bought by walgreens? where's all that money coming from?

Probably leveraged buyouts.

EmbryoSteve
Dec 18, 2004

Taste~The~Rainbow

My blood sugar is gon' be like

~^^^^*WHOA*^^^^~

Culp looked and sounded like your fox news uncle

Lead Pipe Cinch
Mar 10, 2003

Heavy Metal Bakesale


FacebookEmpathyMom posted:

I think if the May primary had been in June Teressa Raiford would have had a much better showing, quite possibly even being on the November ballot. But it is what it is. Last I heard she wasn't actively campaigning or bothering to engage with the media. Which given the heavy lift of a write-in campaign I think I'd want to see before voting for her. I got to say though Wheeler is definitely in trouble. I walk, a lot, for health and anxiety reasons, and I see a lot of yards with a lot of signs and Wheeler is the only candidate that I've seen zero public support for anywhere. I know yard signs aren't really much of anything, but seriously, I haven't seen a single one, and that's got to say something because I see Ianarone and Write-In Teressa Raiford and all kinds of people taking a side on the Mapps/Eudaly race. There's even a house with a Trump/Pence sign, but no Wheeler.

Anecdotal, but the split I’ve noticed in my social circle is the under-30s are in for Raiford and the over-30s going for Iannorone with a small chunk of them prefacing that with if Raiford were actually campaigning or on the ballot they might be interested.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Well this sucks. The Seattle HRC is a part of the city government, for those who don't know: https://www.seattle.gov/humanrights

https://twitter.com/DBeekman/status/1313926828893978624?s=20

https://twitter.com/seattletimes/status/1314336177286197248?s=20

Feels pretty hopeless that the city will make any forward progress on defunding the police with Durkan in office. The budgetary process so far has revealed that the mayor is basically in control of all the levers of how appropriated funds are actually used, and she seems more than willing to both veto everything the council does and subvert their intentions (ie, first vetoing the JumpStart money and then looting it to fund her own handpicked "BIPOC community investment" piggybank instead of the poo poo the council intended).

It appears that the only option left to remove her is a council recall.

gohuskies
Oct 23, 2010

I spend a lot of time making posts to justify why I'm not a self centered shithead that just wants to act like COVID isn't a thing.

The Oldest Man posted:

Well this sucks. The Seattle HRC is a part of the city government, for those who don't know: https://www.seattle.gov/humanrights

https://twitter.com/DBeekman/status/1313926828893978624?s=20

https://twitter.com/seattletimes/status/1314336177286197248?s=20

Feels pretty hopeless that the city will make any forward progress on defunding the police with Durkan in office. The budgetary process so far has revealed that the mayor is basically in control of all the levers of how appropriated funds are actually used, and she seems more than willing to both veto everything the council does and subvert their intentions (ie, first vetoing the JumpStart money and then looting it to fund her own handpicked "BIPOC community investment" piggybank instead of the poo poo the council intended).

It appears that the only option left to remove her is a council recall.

I mean she's up for election next year too. I know that feels like a long time but it's not like she's mayor for life or something. She's not long for the job regardless.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
Wait so you're telling some folks wrote a scathing letter and nothing changed?

poo poo. Is this new?

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

gohuskies posted:

I mean she's up for election next year too. I know that feels like a long time but it's not like she's mayor for life or something. She's not long for the job regardless.

I think the larger problem is that the mayor's power to do whatever they want regardless of what the council says regarding the budget appears to be basically unlimited unless the council is willing and able to recall them on the spot for acting in bad faith. I think that means that the council needs to radically restructure the budget and drastically shrink the size and scope of the general fund in favor of project-specific funds, or we need stronger oversight and budgetary control mechanisms in general. But it's pretty clear that any money that goes into the general fund can just be plundered by the mayor if they feel inclined to do that.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
What city would you guys say is more hopeless? Seattle or Portland?

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Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

punk rebel ecks posted:

What city would you guys say is more hopeless? Seattle or Portland?

America.

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