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HppyCmpr posted:I've never heard of the “orcs are coded as black people” thing except for this thread and I think it's weird and seems like a reach. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLOxQxMnEz8 Start at 24mins in for the "fantasy races and coding" part - starting from LotR and culminating in Bright (or 27.15 for the orc part specifically; and to specify that originally Tolkien coded orcs after the Mongols, but of course things have changed over time). EDIT: or to keep the thing even more close to the original discussion, D&D orcs are a race of dark skinned, physically imposing, large mouthed, flat nosed, almost-simian savages; or in the "best" case scenario, they are "noble savages". The colonial era "dark Africa" themes in them are not exactly subtle. There are variations on this of course - Tolkien coded them as Mongols, Warcraft orcs started more like D&D ones and are now coded more like native americans - but the tribal, primitive coding is often depicted in a way that is incredibly close to the way someone like Robert E. Howard would depict "real life" indigenous people in a Solomon Kane or Conan story.  A D&D 5e orc. But this is probably unrelated to The Boys. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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Oct 8, 2020 13:36
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Asgerd posted:Crossed is practically un-adaptable, since if you were to jettison the dumb edgelord poo poo there's literally nothing left. It's just a completely worthless premise. "What if smart, evil possessed people who spread like zombies" is workable without all the RAPE RAPE RAPE. The best (or I guess only parts I enjoyed) of Crossed were about all the different settings of the OH poo poo 0 day turning.
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Oct 8, 2020 13:37
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Bust Rodd posted:The “orcs are coded as black people” thing always struck me as a “telling on yourself” kind of situation. I played dungeons and dragons in a multi-racial environment in a major city at the LGS and it was only after years of playing with POC IRL that I saw that kind of attitude online, and the black players in my group felt more insulted by the idea that other players think Orcs look like black people are than by the idea that Orcs might be based on black people. Where do you stand on gollywog? The character was created as a tadpole person, but was co-opted by popular culture in a way that led to the spread of blackface, and is the likely origin of the formerly*-derogatory term "wog". *At least in my community. No idea about others. No offence intended.
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Oct 8, 2020 13:43
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That Italian Guy posted:Start at 24mins in for the "fantasy races and coding" part - starting from LotR and culminating in Bright (or 27.15 for the orc part specifically; and to specify that originally Tolkien coded orcs after the Mongols, but of course things have changed over time). Or read this two-part article that really digs into how orcs have been portrayed using the same coded racial signifiers used by colonizers to other the colonized: https://jamesmendezhodes.com/blog/2019/1/13/orcs-britons-and-the-martial-race-myth-part-i-a-species-built-for-racial-terror https://jamesmendezhodes.com/blog/2019/6/30/orcs-britons-and-the-martial-race-myth-part-ii-theyre-not-human Orcs (and really, any "evil/antagonistic barbaric fantasy species) rely heavily on colonialist narratives; it's more complex than simply "orcs are coded as black people" but it is 100% a real thing and not even remotely a stretch or "telling on yourself."
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Oct 8, 2020 14:00
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Open Source Idiom posted:Where do you stand on gollywog? The character was created as a tadpole person, but was co-opted by popular culture in a way that led to the spread of blackface, and is the likely origin of the formerly*-derogatory term "wog". I’ve never heard of this character or this word before just this moment so I googled it and I guess Ive seen dolls like this in old movies or whatever and just always assumed that it was like an extremely dated racist trope. you don’t see dolls like that anymore.
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Oct 8, 2020 14:13
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If we're going to be prejudiced against any fantasy races, I think it has to be the elves. I don't trust 'em.
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Oct 8, 2020 14:17
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I wonder if that was all we see of Butcher's dad. It was kind of a small scene and the fact they got John Noble in for that makes me wonder if it's a case of "he was in the neighborhood" or if he comes back later. I don't really see much point to that since he seems like a real deal rear end in a top hat, unless (my speculation) Butcher later loses it and kills him.
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Oct 8, 2020 14:32
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davidspackage posted:I wonder if that was all we see of Butcher's dad. It was kind of a small scene and the fact they got John Noble in for that makes me wonder if it's a case of "he was in the neighborhood" or if he comes back later. I don't really see much point to that since he seems like a real deal rear end in a top hat, unless (my speculation) Butcher later loses it and kills him. They said multiple times that he’s going to be dead in a couple of months so...
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Oct 8, 2020 14:53
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I'd imagine John Noble is just in a sweet spot of recognizable, but not especially expensive.
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Oct 8, 2020 15:02
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Aphrodite posted:I'd imagine John Noble is just in a sweet spot of recognizable, but not especially expensive. Also his casting lets the marketing department play up the Lord of the Rings "reunion" angle. (Even though I'm pretty sure Karl Urban and John Noble never actually shared screen time and it would have made way more sense to cast Bernard Hill if that's the angle you want to generate buzz.)
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Oct 8, 2020 15:14
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....I never realized Karl Urban was in Lord of the Rings. He's been in so many things I liked and never knew it.
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Oct 8, 2020 15:17
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Solice Kirsk posted:....I never realized Karl Urban was in Lord of the Rings. He's been in so many things I liked and never knew it. lol and i never realized John Noble was in it! but yeah, basically: Johnny Truant posted:Karl Urban is a goddamn worldly treasure
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Oct 8, 2020 15:19
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GimpInBlack posted:Also his casting lets the marketing department play up the Lord of the Rings "reunion" angle. (Even though I'm pretty sure Karl Urban and John Noble never actually shared screen time and it would have made way more sense to cast Bernard Hill if that's the angle you want to generate buzz.) My wife and I have definitely had a "LotR reunion!" moment before realizing Urban was the prince of Rohan while Noble was the king of Gondor.
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Oct 8, 2020 15:44
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The boys is a really good example of a show in which all of the actors are very obviously enjoying themselves and it’s coming out in all of their performances. nobody’s being directed to hold back or restrain in any meaningful way they get to be exactly who they want to be on screen and I think that’s why the show is such a delight
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Oct 8, 2020 15:50
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As much as I poo poo on the comic I find the idea of herogasm hilarious because they cover it up to the public by saying theres some Darkseid/Thanos threat they need to do a giant crossover event with every hero to stop. And the coverup WORKS. Man writing was different before everyone had a camera phone with internet access.
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Oct 8, 2020 15:51
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Bust Rodd posted:I’ve never heard of this character or this word before just this moment so I googled it and I guess Ive seen dolls like this in old movies or whatever and just always assumed that it was like an extremely dated racist trope. you don’t see dolls like that anymore. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you definitely do in the UK and Australia. A lot of people see golliwogs like the Dutch view Santa's slave, Zwarte Piet- "It's not racist, it's history. So I refuse to examine it any further or give it up."
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Oct 8, 2020 16:10
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Oh wait is that the same thing as this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ilvFaFK7c because JJ does a pretty good job here letting these people hang themselves, I think.
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Oct 8, 2020 16:15
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That Italian Guy posted:My wife and I have definitely had a "LotR reunion!" moment before realizing Urban was the prince of Rohan while Noble was the king of Gondor. I mean, Noble was very specifically NOT the King of Gondor, but yeah.
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Oct 8, 2020 16:18
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you definitely do in the UK and Australia. Yeah, saw a lot of them in Montreal, too, along with the at-least-once-a-year "goddammit, some comedy show did another blackface sketch."
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Oct 8, 2020 16:19
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That Italian Guy posted:tl;dr: orcs are more often than not coded after old times horrible "dark Africa" stereotypes and are not meant to represent real life black people (unless it's Bright going full circle on the racial coding). I never got the connection as a black kid. Was weirded out on a certain level with the movies just being chock full of good blonde ppl tho.
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Oct 8, 2020 16:20
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GimpInBlack posted:Yeah, saw a lot of them in Montreal, too, along with the at-least-once-a-year "goddammit, some comedy show did another blackface sketch." Really? Huh, I've never seen them here. French Canadian media sure does love their blackface though.
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Oct 8, 2020 16:22
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you definitely do in the UK and Australia. Switzerland too. They're a weird object though, since they're explicitly involved in a bunch of racist discourse, but their origin - Noddy I think - isn't racist at all. It's kind of like a Swastika. You start waving one around, you're definitely a racist. But they're IIRC Hindu.
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Oct 8, 2020 16:22
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That Italian Guy posted:My wife and I have definitely had a "LotR reunion!" moment before realizing Urban was the prince of Rohan while Noble was the king of Gondor. Same here - I realized "oh! They played father and son before!" and then further realized "...wait, no they didn't. Still kind of cool, I guess?" Also, just since you don't win the bracket by picking the favorite, I'll enter my speculation that Ryan is the head-popper. Why? How? No idea.
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Oct 8, 2020 16:29
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There's no Canada like French Canada, It's the most racist Canada in the land.
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Oct 8, 2020 16:30
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Head Pop is just the new version of Fresca, watch.
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Oct 8, 2020 16:31
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thrawn527 posted:I mean, Noble was very specifically NOT the King of Gondor, but yeah.  The Steward, yeah.
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Oct 8, 2020 16:31
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While watching the aftershow last week and looking at IMDB I learned that Karl Urban played Cupid and Julius Caesar on Hercules: The Legendary Journeys. When he's Cupid he is hair is blonde and he looks like Billy Idol.
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Oct 8, 2020 16:32
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Antony Starr needs to star as Booster Gold in his own series. He was born for it.
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Oct 8, 2020 17:30
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Antony Starr needs to star as Booster Gold in his own series. He was born for it. I've gotten so used to hearing Diedrich Bader's voice in the rare instances I think about Booster Gold that it might be weird. A lot less people have watched Justice League Action, though, simply because it's not as "gritty" as JLU was.
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Oct 8, 2020 18:10
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10 Beers posted:While watching the aftershow last week and looking at IMDB I learned that Karl Urban played Cupid and Julius Caesar on Hercules: The Legendary Journeys. When he's Cupid he is hair is blonde and he looks like Billy Idol. lmao 
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Oct 8, 2020 18:16
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Hercules was some Grade A 90s fantasy schlock.
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Oct 8, 2020 18:19
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I've gotten so used to hearing Diedrich Bader's voice in the rare instances I think about Booster Gold that it might be weird. A lot less people have watched Justice League Action, though, simply because it's not as "gritty" as JLU was. I'm thinking start with the origin, focus entirely on BG for at least the first half of the first season, maybe keep him in the future for a few episodes. I just think "egotistical, fraudulent failure from the future tries to reinvent his life as a superhero in the past" is a great prompt these days and Starr could carry it easily. e: vvv sorbo was always a sex pest hyperchud, we were all just blissfully ignorant before the internet was a thing Dr. Fishopolis fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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Oct 8, 2020 18:22
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Hercules was some Grade A 90s fantasy schlock. It’s a pretty serious bummer that Sorbo turned into a sex pest hyperchud
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Oct 8, 2020 18:23
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Oct 8, 2020 18:24
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oh. oh my. that's some fine Urban you got there.
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Oct 8, 2020 18:25
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Hercules was some Grade A 90s fantasy schlock. What a dumb, fun set of shows.
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Oct 8, 2020 18:30
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GimpInBlack posted:Yeah, saw a lot of them in Montreal, too, along with the at-least-once-a-year "goddammit, some comedy show did another blackface sketch." You can still find dolls with the whole mammy thing, red and white polka dresses included, in Mexican markets. Hell, 2020 comedy shows still do black and brown face. One of most "beloved" pop culture characters is a racist caricature. The creator and creator's grandchildren would always shield behind the "We didn't know~ It was other times~ let's reprint the racist comics again!" gently caress racism that's what I'm trying to say.
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Oct 8, 2020 18:35
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That Italian Guy posted:Also: Good lord. Urban is oozing sex in this picture.
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Oct 8, 2020 18:39
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That Italian Guy posted:Also: Well hello. Beware the ides of my pants. Veni.
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Lol
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