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HalloKitty posted:What? The 10700k is an 8 core part like 5800x. Disappointed? The single core gains appear to be massive, and amd already was better power-wise. You're right, I was crossing the 5800X with the 5600X. I still really want to see the benches. The 5800X at +20% IPC should bring it mostly in line with the 10700K for gaming, at least on paper. But it'll be more expensive, so it'll need to have some performance wins there to justify itself.
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movax posted:Yeah it was fairly "quick" last time. This yeah, my 4770K has been trucking easy, but it's going to be bottlenecking any modern GPU now.
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sean10mm posted:Isn't Intel just scheduled to pinch off another shitass 14nm++++++++ product in March 2021 or something? Rocket Lake is still technically on 14nm, but it's a new architecture based on "backporting" the 10nm Tiger Lake design. It's probably going to be competitive, but the fact that it's going to be five months after Zen 3 means, yeah, AMD can make bank for a while
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Cygni posted:Up $50 across the board Yeah they raised the prices a decent amount. Would've been great if they hadn't but AMD has never been shy about charging more if they actually have a solid performance lead. Still they're not gouging too horribly here at least and a ~19% IPC boost is a pretty big deal. Very nearly as big of a jump as Sandy Bridge was able to achieve years ago.
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sean10mm posted:I think they leaked a benchmark where the 5800X beats the 10900K so I wouldn't assume parity there. The 5950X graph at the end had it narrowly beating the 10900K in games, so I dunno if the 5800X will be able to pull it off with the lower clock. Who knows until reviews though, obvi.
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Oct 8, 2020 17:39
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Considering the levels of console performance / their Zen 2 pedigree, this is IMO the perfect generation to buy as it's technically "ahead" a generation and should remain contemporary with the upcoming console generation. Assuming that PS5 / Xbox don't start dropping SoC upgrades every 2-3 years, in which case, this post will have aged... poorly.
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Oct 8, 2020 17:40
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Yeah they raised the prices a decent amount. It is straight up gouging and they aren't batting an eye over it. The 100+ dollar price increases across the stack is pure profit.
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Oct 8, 2020 17:42
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I think i've talked myself into a 5950x.
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movax posted:Assuming that PS5 / Xbox don't start dropping SoC upgrades every 2-3 years, in which case, this post will have aged... poorly. I wouldn't put it past consoles to start making GBS threads out new sub-generation upgrades every 24 months after what we've seen of the PS4 Pro and whatever they call the Xbox equivalent. Gotta fight that Tendency of Rate of Profit to Fall!
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Oct 8, 2020 17:44
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MikeC 100% called it, those prices are eye watering but I'm pretty sure I'm getting a 5800X anyway.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I wouldn't put it past consoles to start making GBS threads out new sub-generation upgrades every 24 months after what we've seen of the PS4 Pro and whatever they call the Xbox equivalent. Gotta fight that Tendency of Rate of Profit to Fall! Masks are expensive so I'm hoping it's not every 24 months...though I guess since chiplets are the rage now, you could maybe push out a GPU-upgraded model relatively easily while not mucking with your CPU and other custom bits.
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https://twitter.com/tekwendell/status/1314244123654844416?s=20
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Oct 8, 2020 17:46
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Pretty cool stuff so far. Not sure whether I want to pay the premium or wait to see how low the Zen 2 prices get and pick up a 3900 or something.
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drat Dirty Ape posted:Pretty cool stuff so far. Not sure whether I want to pay the premium or wait to see how low the Zen 2 prices get and pick up a 3900 or something. Expect 0 price drops. These prices are specifically designed to keep 3000 series relevant. That Aussie SI was right on the money.
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Oct 8, 2020 17:50
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MikeC posted:Expect 0 price drops. These prices are specifically designed to keep 3000 series relevant. That Aussie SI was right on the money. Balls.
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Oct 8, 2020 17:52
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MikeC posted:Expect 0 price drops. These prices are specifically designed to keep 3000 series relevant. That Aussie SI was right on the money. The question is relevant for how long.
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Oct 8, 2020 17:53
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IDK if I'm seeing the big deal about the price. They seem pretty on par with CPU prices over the last 10 years maybe? Maybe I'm just forgetting what I paid for mine.
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Oct 8, 2020 17:56
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I don't think I would call a 50$ MSRP bump over the previous generation "gouging", but it's not exactly surprising with the complete lack of anything new from Intel in, well, forever.
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MikeC posted:It is straight up gouging and they aren't batting an eye over it. The 100+ dollar price increases across the stack is pure profit. If it all it offered was some sort of pissant performance increase that mostly existed on paper and not so much in the real world like the some the *lake upgrades were I'd agree with you 100% and call it gouging and a rip off too. As is I think the prices are higher than they should be but not absurd BS either. If they came down a little across the board, even like $20-40, it'd be fine. A $100 decrease would be awesome of course...but like I said before AMD isn't shy about pricing high if they actually have a performance lead. MikeC posted:Expect 0 price drops. These prices are specifically designed to keep 3000 series relevant. That Aussie SI was right on the money. New yeah, they'll try to keep prices up for at least a few months. Should be a decent number of people selling their 3xxx Ryzens used for a decent discount though.
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ijyt posted:IDK if I'm seeing the big deal about the price. They seem pretty on par with CPU prices over the last 10 years maybe? Maybe I'm just forgetting what I paid for mine. I don't think it's a big deal if you are used to getting Intel processors. It's just that people are used to AMD as being the scrappy budget friendly underdog.
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Oct 8, 2020 17:58
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The real question is do they have actual stock to meet demand. 5600x is going to be in like every gamming PC build list on reddit. Its single core of nearly 600 is killer for games.
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Oct 8, 2020 17:58
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denereal visease posted:Did they mention a 5700X? Hoping to get those sweet IPC gains while staying at low TDP. So long as you're not using an A520 motherboard, you can use PPT limiting to set the wattage to anything you want. I run my 3900Xs at 75W.
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Oct 8, 2020 17:59
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MikeC posted:Expect 0 price drops. These prices are specifically designed to keep 3000 series relevant. That Aussie SI was right on the money. I wouldn't expect them to keep making the 3000 series. They directly compete for fab capacity.
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Oct 8, 2020 18:00
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as far as boost clocks the number on the box going up a bit is pretty meaningless (as we saw from the whole Zen2 launch debacle), but I'm curious what the actual numbers will be during a real load.
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Oct 8, 2020 18:00
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mdxi posted:So long as you're not using an A520 motherboard, you can use PPT limiting to set the wattage to anything you want. I run my 3900Xs at 75W. You're not really living unless you set it to 1000W and let PBO take the wheel.
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Oct 8, 2020 18:01
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drat Dirty Ape posted:I don't think it's a big deal if you are used to getting Intel processors. It's just that people are used to AMD as being the scrappy budget friendly underdog. It's this. The 3600 was 200 USD on release. The 3600X was 249 USD The i7-8700K was 370 USD (and the non-K was still 312 USD) Fast-forward to the i5-10400, and that's set at 182 USD and the i5-10600K is at 263 USD
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AMD bought out ~30% of TSMC's 7nm wafer production, I think more than double than what they had for Zen2, so IN THEORY they should be able to have plenty of supply. The gotchas to that is going to be timing (I wouldn't be surprised if some models that are in high demand are scarce for 1-3 months like last time) and which market they really try to target with volume. Obviously AMD can make money off the DIY market but I think what they really want to go after is the server market and those EPYC's can use a whole lotta dies depending on the model.
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Compared to current microcenter prices (yes i know not everyone has a microcenter but i do bitch!!) $150 -> i5 10400 ($160) $175 -> R5 3600 ($180) $200 -> R5 3600X ($210) $225 -> R5 3600XT ($230) $250 -> i5 10600K ($270) $275 -> R7 3700X ($280) $300 -> i7 10700 ($300) R5 5600X ($300) $325 ->R7 3800X ($320) $350 -> i7 10700K ($350) $375 $400 -> R9 3900X ($400) $425 $450 -> i9 10850K ($450) R7 5800X ($450) $475 $500 $525 $550 -> R9 5900X ($550) $575 $600 $625 $650 -> i9 10900K ($650) $675 -> R9 3950X ($680) $700 $725 $750 $775 $800 -> R9 5950X ($800)
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Cygni posted:They didnt formally announce a 5700X or 5600 non-X. mdxi posted:So long as you're not using an A520 motherboard, you can use PPT limiting to set the wattage to anything you want. I run my 3900Xs at 75W.
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gradenko_2000 posted:It's this. I guess this is all ok if having Intel wave their dick in your face every time you bought a CPU was ok. Except it is now AMD. This is just like how Nvidia made it look like the 3080 was 'cheap'. They simply kept inflated prices until we took it as the norm.
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So which one is going to be the CPU for gamers? I'm definitely pawning off my 3700x for a Zen 3. I don't want to hear about 10700s and 10900s being better ever again. I think the 5900 is the one to get for maximum FPS right? Because the 5950 probably occupies the same CPU equivalent slot as the RTX 3090...
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Kraftwerk posted:So which one is going to be the CPU for gamers? I'm definitely pawning off my 3700x for a Zen 3. I don't want to hear about 10700s and 10900s being better ever again. Every CPU is for gamers
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They really need to start releasing RGB versions of these processors for gamers.
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Malcolm XML posted:Every CPU is for gamers *looks at Steam recent playtime* I look forward to Zen 3 Threadrippers truly revolutionizing my FTL experience.
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Oct 8, 2020 18:11
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drat Dirty Ape posted:They really need to start releasing RGB versions of these processors for gamers. the coolers come with RGBs
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Cygni posted:Compared to current microcenter prices (yes i know not everyone has a microcenter but i do bitch!!) Intel: more cores for your money 
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pixaal posted:the coolers come with RGBs Not the 5800X and 5900X this go around.
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Oct 8, 2020 18:12
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Malcolm XML posted:Every CPU is for gamers I want the one that stops the bragging of 10700/10900 owners.
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Kraftwerk posted:I want the one that stops the bragging of 10700/10900 owners. 5900X apparently beats them in literally all things (cores/threads/single core performance)
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Paul MaudDib posted:as far as boost clocks the number on the box going up a bit is pretty meaningless (as we saw from the whole Zen2 launch debacle), but I'm curious what the actual numbers will be during a real load. After all the updates and whatnot calmed down, turbo speeds hit just as advertised, but at least in my own personal case it was heavily dependent on temperature. I was/am using a silence focused case and the NH-D15 I was using didn't really keep the chip cool enough to let it attain max boost. One Arctic 280 AIO later, and I was getting the exact boost I was supposed to, with no temps hitting above 60 c.
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