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Warning for anyone updating their BIOS: it’s a common problem that your M.2 drive that has windows on it will not be bootable. There’s a few different settings that may or may not need to be flipped after you put the new BIOS on your motherboard I was able to solve it after a little bit of googling but I really didn’t expect it to not find my operating system even though it could find the hard drive no problem.
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Spikes32 posted:What country are you in? USA Random observation: Arctic Silver isn't really the best thermal paste anymore, but also you don't have an aftermarket CPU cooler selected... so what's the paste for?
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Oct 8, 2020 20:31
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spunkshui posted:Warning for anyone updating their BIOS: it’s a common problem that your M.2 drive that has windows on it will not be bootable. What was the cause? The BIOS unable to read the boot file or the update changing something at drive level? If it’s changing something on the drive it should be as easy as disconnecting the m.2 before the flash.
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Oct 8, 2020 20:43
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sean10mm posted:Random observation: Arctic Silver isn't really the best thermal paste anymore, but also you don't have an aftermarket CPU cooler selected... so what's the paste for? I thought I needed it to attach the cpu? Like I said, I don't know much about this. Only built a pc once before and it was about 8 years ago
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Oct 8, 2020 20:55
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Spikes32 posted:I thought I needed it to attach the cpu? Like I said, I don't know much about this. Only built a pc once before and it was about 8 years ago Stock coolers come with thermal compound pre-applied typically, and most aftermarket coolers come with decent stuff too.
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Oct 8, 2020 20:58
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Some Goon posted:1. Plenty Thanks for the input, that's good to hear. Not quite sure what you mean by that last part  .
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Oct 8, 2020 21:55
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I'm running a 6700K that I've overclocked to 4.7GHz paired with a RTX 3080 - I'm targeting high refresh (165Hz) gaming at 1440p. I generally play CS:GO and single-player AAA games. Should I be looking at updating to a Zen3 (assuming availability isn't awful) or something like a 10700k? Or should I keep riding this thing out? I'm having a hard time understanding if bottlenecking is a concern below 4K.
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Oct 8, 2020 22:03
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pocket pool posted:I'm running a 6700K that I've overclocked to 4.7GHz paired with a RTX 3080 - I'm targeting high refresh (165Hz) gaming at 1440p. I generally play CS:GO and single-player AAA games. Are you having any issues? I would think your cpu is a bottleneck for sure, but how much? I just ordered an i7-10700k based system. I bought a 1080ti cheap from a guy at work so I will try that out. I can't believe I haven't built a machine since 2011. Looking forward to it. I can't get over how big the cpu coolers are now a days!
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Oct 8, 2020 22:09
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pocket pool posted:I'm running a 6700K that I've overclocked to 4.7GHz paired with a RTX 3080 - I'm targeting high refresh (165Hz) gaming at 1440p. I generally play CS:GO and single-player AAA games. Never upgrade until you can tell performance is suffering. If you’re able to play your game at 165 Hz then you’re only bottleneck is your monitors refresh rate. If lowering details doesn’t help, and its not able to stay capped at 165, then its the cpu.
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Oct 8, 2020 22:12
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Makes sense to me - it just feels weird that I’ve been able to ride this CPU for so long. Before the 3080 I’d been using a 1080ti I bought used. I sure got a ton of value out of those parts!
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Oct 8, 2020 22:17
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pocket pool posted:Makes sense to me - it just feels weird that I’ve been able to ride this CPU for so long. Before the 3080 I’d been using a 1080ti I bought used. I sure got a ton of value out of those parts! I used an i7 920 @ 4ghz until the 9600k came out. FPS was dropping in 25 man world of warcraft content finally. If parts are working always let them ride. I never got a 20 series card because I didn’t need one. But now we play a lot bl3 so im ready for a 3080.
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Oct 8, 2020 22:22
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spunkshui posted:I used an i7 920 @ 4ghz until the 9600k came out. I even felt like the 3080 was a bit of a luxury but justified it because I wasn’t pushing some of the games I played at my monitor’s refresh rate.
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Oct 8, 2020 22:31
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pocket pool posted:Makes sense to me - it just feels weird that I’ve been able to ride this CPU for so long. Before the 3080 I’d been using a 1080ti I bought used. I sure got a ton of value out of those parts! Really the only CPUs that are truly starting to eat poo poo in new games are the 4 core/4 thread i5s (like I have  )4 core/8 thread seem to mostly still do OK, especially if you can goose it with a good OC. It might start to feel creaky in a year or two as more games are made with an eye to the 8 core Zen 2s in the new consoles though.
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Oct 8, 2020 22:36
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Am I crazy or did they not mention how many PCIe lanes the ryzen 5000 series supports?
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Oct 8, 2020 22:43
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The Gadfly posted:Am I crazy or did they not mention how many PCIe lanes the ryzen 5000 series supports? The I/O is unchanged I believe, so I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same.
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Oct 8, 2020 22:46
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sean10mm posted:Really the only CPUs that are truly starting to eat poo poo in new games are the 4 core/4 thread i5s (like I have It’s making me really thankful, in hindsight, I took advantage of the deal I got - I swapped my 6600K plus cash for this 6700K a couple of years back.
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Oct 8, 2020 22:49
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sean10mm posted:The I/O is unchanged I believe, so I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same. Ah thanks. Well, that's slightly disappointing.
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Oct 8, 2020 22:49
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Big L posted:Thanks for the input, that's good to hear. Not quite sure what you mean by that last part When you have frame drops, the lowest 1% of them average 45fps. It's not ideal, but it's passable, it's a very demanding game. N.B. that checking benchmarks on a phone is a right pain so I only checked one site, but it's a rare day that there's significant variance between reviewers.
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Oct 8, 2020 23:04
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Some Goon posted:When you have frame drops, the lowest 1% of them average 45fps. It's not ideal, but it's passable, it's a very demanding game. Yeah, I know it's a demanding game... then again, I doubt the old pops will notice those fps drops. Thanks again!
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Oct 9, 2020 00:05
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sean10mm posted:Ask us after the Zen 3 announcement tomorrow I'm back! What country are you in? USA What are you using the system for? Gaming, working from home, streaming, possibly some dabbling in 3D graphics design. What's your budget? $3000 Professional needs? Visual studio, remote desktop (multiple instances), possibly Blender Monitor? My current monitor's 12+ years old, so I'll be upgrading to something new and snazzy with 4k/144hz at some point. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($429.99 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($44.00 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler ($99.95 @ Amazon) Motherboard: *ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4S ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Newegg) Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($104.99 @ Amazon) Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.98 @ Amazon) Power Supply: *EVGA 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($108.94 @ Office Depot) Total: $1152.83 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available *Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-10-08 20:25 EDT-0400 I swapped the storage for an NVME. The new CPUs weren't in PCPartPicker last I checked, but I'm guessing I'd bump this up to the 5800 or 5900x? Maybe? Would I want to change other parts to complement the faster CPU? EDIT: Video card went out of stock between posts, it's still the 3080
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Oct 9, 2020 01:32
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pocket pool posted:I'm running a 6700K that I've overclocked to 4.7GHz paired with a RTX 3080 - I'm targeting high refresh (165Hz) gaming at 1440p. I generally play CS:GO and single-player AAA games. My 3080 FE, i7-7700k, with no OC and high as gently caress temps (cause they get dumb hot and I don’t wanna spend $70 to delid and repaste right now) was running doom eternal at all ultra nightmare, 1440p @ like 240fps. I have destiny 2 frame limited but it’s running at 152 stable all settings maxed as well. I wouldn’t change your CPU unless you’re not getting what you want. Especially cause you’re looking at a board change.
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Alright, one more check before I put in the orders for CPU, cooler, motherboard and memory. The other items I have already, full list in the top link. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600XT 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($239.00 @ B&H) CPU Cooler: ID-COOLING SE-224-XT Basic 76.16 CFM CPU Cooler ($26.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($174.99 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg) Total: $610.97 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-10-08 22:18 EDT-0400
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Oct 9, 2020 03:19
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Quick question about windows licenses: Do I need to buy another one or will I be able to just like log in with my Microsoft account? If I need to buy another one, what is the absolute cheapest legit way to get one? I bought mine straight up from MS last time, but I'm pretty sure I got some kind of student discount.
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Stan Taylor posted:Quick question about windows licenses: Do I need to buy another one or will I be able to just like log in with my Microsoft account? If I need to buy another one, what is the absolute cheapest legit way to get one? I bought mine straight up from MS last time, but I'm pretty sure I got some kind of student discount. SA Mart sells super cheap keys that are legit enough for Microsoft. 10-15 bones? Something like that. Better than a bill.
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Avail posted:SA Mart sells super cheap keys that are legit enough for Microsoft. 10-15 bones? Something like that. Better than a bill.  Also I'm casually browsing what's on the market a little more in depth now and what the gently caress why does EVERYTHING have RGB lighting? and why do these mobos have PS/2 ports? I'm honestly a little bummed I can't find a gray/beige plastic case. I'm waiting for Zen 3 news before I start to finalize stuff, but I'm feeling pretty good about upgrading, I've notice more and more that I'm always the last one to load into lobbies and poo poo.
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Stan Taylor posted:Quick question about windows licenses: Do I need to buy another one or will I be able to just like log in with my Microsoft account? If I need to buy another one, what is the absolute cheapest legit way to get one? I bought mine straight up from MS last time, but I'm pretty sure I got some kind of student discount. You can log in with your Microsoft account, but unless you have already registered your CPU/Motherboard combination with an active license, you will need another eventually. That being said, you can install without a valid key and use it without being able to customize user settings. It may time out after 30 days, but I don't remember and have never waited that long.  Seconding the SA Mart thread that sells keys. I got mine from there for this build and would recommend for other goons, delivered within 30 minutes. Way better than giving Jobs another $150... 
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Stan Taylor posted:
Why do you want plastic? Check out fractals stuff. 90% RGB free and very sleek.
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The thread title needs to be updated cause B450 boards may not get their BIOS updates for the 5000 series till January LMAO Here's my contribution: PC Building Megathread - Price Gouge My Fingers Into My Eyes
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Kingnothing posted:Why do you want plastic? Just seeing PS/2 ports on the back feels like it should belong in one of those late 90s looking cases. I'll probably go with fractal. Those look nice and plain and seem to have comfy features for building/airflow considerations.. I think my current one is NZXT and it's nice and plain. What's the word on NVME SSDs? I'd like to go ahead and either get a big 2tb SSD or maybe two 1tbs if that's cheaper to mix and match with a SATA connection.
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Stan Taylor posted:Just seeing PS/2 ports on the back feels like it should belong in one of those late 90s looking cases. I'll probably go with fractal. Those look nice and plain and seem to have comfy features for building/airflow considerations.. I think my current one is NZXT and it's nice and plain. Definitely get an NVME for your bootdrive, make sure it isn't a SATA M.2 drive. You can get a 1TB WD Blue SN550 for $105 at newegg. If money is no object, you can splurge on a Samsung Pro drive for a significant cost increase and minor performance increase. I added a big media platter drive to mine, but if you're comfortable with 2-4TB you can get that with one or two NVME drives. I also really like the big Phanteks Tower case I just got...case design has improved a lot in the last 10 years, but I'm Plain Jane and didn't want any lights or whistles.
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Purely a technical question but I’m confused since I haven’t used windows except as a VM in years. What’s the downside to just installing the disk image from a flash drive that Microsoft provides for free? Doesn’t it just not let you change the background? Or is there a reason that disk image doesn’t work as the base operating system?
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:Purely a technical question but I’m confused since I haven’t used windows except as a VM in years. The downside of that versus what? Downloading the windows installer disk image for free and putting it on a USB key is the preferred way to install windows. It’s not “free” in the sense that once it’s installed you should activate a license key to remove various functional restrictions, etc.
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CaptainPsyko posted:The downside of that versus what? Downloading the windows installer disk image for free and putting it on a USB key is the preferred way to install windows. It’s not “free” in the sense that once it’s installed you should activate a license key to remove various functional restrictions, etc. Oh gotcha. I felt like I was missing something.
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how long does the hive mind think it will take for price drops for amd processors to be evident? I'm anxious to finish up my new build.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Definitely get an NVME for your bootdrive, make sure it isn't a SATA M.2 drive. How would we know if it is? Why is this an issue?
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Can I get some advice for my friend?quote:I want to spend not that much, maybe ~£600. I want it to be more geared for doing audio stuff, in which the priorities are cpu, ram and storage. I'd like it to be possible to scale up though in the future. So if I decide later on to upgrade the graphics card, it's not out of step with the rest of the system or whatever. To begin with, in terms of games I'd be very much looking more to play the odd old classic, rather than going for a gaming rig or anything like that Here's his stipulations. He also wants WiFi. With that in mind, I quickly threw together this build for him but it comes in a little overbudget. Bearing in mind what he said about the CPU, storage and RAM I didn't want to go any lower than the 3600, 16GB and a 1TB NVME, and because he wants it to be scalable in the future if he drops in a better GPU I wanted to go for a B550 chipset mobo. Are there any obvious savings here, or should I persuade him to spend a little more so he's got a good base to work with in the future? Also, I made sure the mobo has one USB C port because I know a lot of new audio equipment uses that. There's USB C to A adapters if he needs to connect more at once, but I can also tell him to pick up a USB C PCIE card, right? I've seen a few that are available, but I'm just wondering if there's some issue with the number of lanes and bandwidth they'd need which is all stuff beyond my understanding.
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redpleb posted:how long does the hive mind think it will take for price drops for amd processors to be evident? I'm anxious to finish up my new build. For zen 2, if it happens it will probably be only after zen 3 goes on sale. For zen 3, only when intel stops sucking, and intel doesn't even release their mext retread 14nm+++++++++++++++++ thing until March 2021 apparently so uh the prognosis there might be poor.
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Oct 9, 2020 12:08
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Stan Taylor posted:
I'm still using a ps2 keyboard from 2003. 
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Have any of you goons gotten a notification from EVGA to buy a 3080? Per the forum post they said they'd have inventory back in stock this week but I haven't gotten an email and now it's the end of the business week
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I'm kind of unsure how much Zen 3 moves the needle in our generic recommendations anytime soon since everything's in a higher price bracket. So a 5600X is priced like a 3700X, and it will certainly beat the 3700X in games in the short term much like the 10600K already does... but I don't know that I want to raise my budget in late 2020 and only get 6 cores. 6 cores is probably optimal for gaming right this second, but the next gen consoles all have 8c/16t already. "Future proofing" is always sketchy but I feel like the writing is on the wall here, it feels too much like getting in on the very last of the 4 core/4 thread i5s. If you want the most baller-rear end gaming CPUs, now you have to buy a 5800X and 5900X, the 5900X is absolutely the better value on paper even though it costs more... but for gaming having 12 cores instead of 8 will functionally have no value for the foreseeable future, so from a strictly gaming POV it's $100 more for very little IRL. But this is the price point where we were already kind of like "Do whatever if you just have a big budget and don't care." If you want these just get these because unless AMD is outright lying, they are giving you the performance that was hoped for, but spending $450-$550 on a CPU for gaming is not a value proposition, it's a "gently caress it want cool thing" proposition. Personally I'm definitely going to overspend and get a Zen 3, gently caress it. 
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