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Thinking about the comic book in which Gotham collectively being sick of joker's poo poo just rams him through the system to give him the death penalty only to have batman show up and prove joker is innocent of this 1 specific murder and thus he should be released. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Joker:_Devil's_Advocate Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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from last page but Spider-Man doesn't kill his villains because he's so strong and fast that he can pull punches in his fights and win them. he's a much more vulnerable Superman. Batman doesn't have the same luxury, so it's a bigger deal for him as to why he doesn't make his life easier already
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Bruce should just build a totally and completely inescapable cell in the Batcave that's completely impossible for the Joker to get out of and keep him there.  Too bad he'd only be there for like three issues before the reveal that he has a GPS chip under a fingernail and now all the clowns are planning an attack on the Batcave to free him.
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Mr Hootington posted:Thinking about the comic book in which Gotham collectively being sick of joker's poo poo just rams him through the system to give him the death penalty only to have batman show up and prove joker is innocent of this 1 specific murder and thus he should be released.
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Vandar posted:Bruce should just build a totally and completely inescapable cell in the Batcave that's completely impossible for the Joker to get out of and keep him there. I was reading some godawful event comic tie in where exactly this happened, except it was Deadshot and some other people with names, and the prison was introduced and broken out of within three pages. All according to keikau.
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BrianWilly posted:This story sounds like it's going to break my brain if I read it so like...........why don't they just try Joker for the crimes that he is guilty of, then? The notion was (I think. It's been years since I read it.) Was after a number of trials that became poo poo shows, the Joker and the Justice system just came to this agreement where he pled guilty by reason of Insanity. So it was all fast tracked. Then after this crime, a new DA decided to make a name for themselves by pushing on trying the Joker as sane and going for the death penalty. Que the Joker going along with it because he decided he could make it into a spectacle with himself as the centre stage. It's also an actual good example of a Joker crime that people were asking for. The Post Office issues stamps commemorating histories great comedians. Joker robs the Post Office because his face should have been one of the worlds greatest comedians. Batman shows up and arrests him. Goes to Arkham. Then people all over the city start being poisoned from using the comedian stamps (and later other stamps.) So naturally the Joker is to blame. And while the Joker turns out to not be responsible for the poisoning it reads like a Joker crime. It's motivated by greed and ego. It's fantastical in it's scale but realistic in how it works. And the body count while awful is within the realm of possibility. It's worlds apart from "and now the Joker builds a wall from sewing together people to creep out Batman."
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Vandar posted:Bruce should just build a totally and completely inescapable cell in the Batcave that's completely impossible for the Joker to get out of and keep him there. Paul Dini describes this exact scenario in his autobiographical Dark Night: A True Batman Story. His endgame idea for Joker was that Batman would seal him in a brick room in the batcave. Batman would have to put up with Joker's running commentary as the price of containing him away from society.
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Cassa posted:I was reading some godawful event comic tie in where exactly this happened, except it was Deadshot and some other people with names, and the prison was introduced and broken out of within three pages. Something like this also happened in Dark Knights: Metal, with the Joker in a secret cell under the bat cave.
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Damian sort of had the right idea with his secret prison, but he picked the wrong people for it (maybe not Black Mask).
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Maybe Kryptonians had it right all along.
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Cassa posted:I was reading some godawful event comic tie in where exactly this happened, except it was Deadshot and some other people with names, and the prison was introduced and broken out of within three pages. I think that was actually a Batman comic from the beginning of this year. Because the Batman comics have been weird and somewhat bad recently.
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I read DC faithfully from basically infancy through the dawn of my twenties and fell off right around Final Crisis. When I heard Doomsday Clock was a thing I finally decided to play catch-up, and after two and a half years and too many dollars, I have as of this morning finally finished my 13-ish years of catchup and am current. I regret everything.
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CarlCX posted:I read DC faithfully from basically infancy through the dawn of my twenties and fell off right around Final Crisis. When I heard Doomsday Clock was a thing I finally decided to play catch-up, and after two and a half years and too many dollars, I have as of this morning finally finished my 13-ish years of catchup and am current. Somewhat surprised you didn't stop at Identity Crisis or Infinite Crisis.
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Jiro posted:Somewhat surprised you didn't stop at Identity Crisis or Infinite Crisis. Yeah final crisis was at least good.
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It wasn't that Final Crisis was the worst and that was the final straw, it's more like when Identity and Infinite started I was still behind the threshold of adulthood so even though they were considerably worse than Final I hadn't yet started worrying about the personal calculus of how I was spending my time. By the time Final was in swing everything had changed AND I was fully Crisis-fatigued.
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The Question IRL posted:Que the Joker ¿Que, señor?
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enigmahfc posted:I think that was actually a Batman comic from the beginning of this year. Oh you're absolutely right.  Wanna know how they broke free? iunnomagic?? Although, it did give us this phenomenal image. 
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why not just, make batman poor im 100% serious. you can rework the villains to be threatening, powerful elements of society, because batman stopping them doesn't even mean they'll go to jail, or arkham, or whatever. maybe the cops will be pissed at batman? who knows! every resource he spends stopping, say, a mugging or bank robbery, is real, and serious. he doesn't get that poo poo back, realistically, without at least spending Real Effort, and then who knows how many lives not fighting will cost. he can kill villains or not, and it becomes a constant calculation of whether or not gotham city loving hates this weird rear end batman the cops are looking for that killed My Good Entrepeneur the Penguin or some poo poo I dunno it's an idea I had tonight, but if there's one way to add stakes and makes Batman's relationships with his villains interesting, it's the idea that Batman has to deal with cost.
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Also have his parents killed by a crooked cop. Or I guess just a regular cop.
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Turning every hero into Spider-Man won't immediately fix them.
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Cassa posted:Turning every hero into Spider-Man won't immediately fix them. But it's a start.
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Cassa posted:Turning every hero into Spider-Man won't immediately fix them. Extremely wrong. Imagine if every character was like Spider-Man and had a life and supporting characters? DC has always had a big problem with this, but Marvel is getting worse. Naming a character who is not a super villain, hero, or love interest is nearly impossible for a lot of characters.
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Cassa posted:Turning every hero into Spider-Man won't immediately fix them. This vaguely reminds me of how JLA/Avengers #3 was originally going to depict alternate versions of the Marvel and DC universes that were "what if DC characters had been created by Silver Age Marvel" and vice versa. I think Batman was going to be a blind teenager who was clearly an analogue for Spider-Man and Daredevil. (iirc, Busiek said DC editorial killed the idea because the way the Silver Age DC-ified Marvel heroes were depicted implied DC to be "sillier" than Marvel, which is an implication that DiDio and possibly Levitz were known to be insecure about and hate)
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Extremely wrong. Imagine if every character was like Spider-Man and had a life and supporting characters? DC has always had a big problem with this, but Marvel is getting worse. I do lament we get further and further away from ongoing books for solo characters that would let them breathe and grow and develop supporting casts and a life outside the mask and all that good stuff. The closest we get feels like, I dunno, Ms. Marvel's book maybe.
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Dawgstar posted:I do lament we get further and further away from ongoing books for solo characters that would let them breathe and grow and develop supporting casts and a life outside the mask and all that good stuff. The closest we get feels like, I dunno, Ms. Marvel's book maybe. Now that books like Squirrel Girl and Wasp are over, they are definitely thinning out. Ms Marvel is still one of the best books for it, but I wish we just saw it more. Ultimately I want a Justice League that feels like people who know each other and not just semi-friendly coworkers.
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Cassa posted:Turning every hero into Spider-Man won't immediately fix them. brooding Gothic Spider-Man sounds incredible though
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Beamed posted:brooding Gothic Spider-Man sounds incredible though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lo-7ukx9vI
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So I didn't get it at first, but seeing reactions online...was that Otto Binder trying to contact his daughter (who died in an accident) through a seance in Rorschach #1? If so then...that's even worse than a Ditko stand-in being on the comic
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As E&C pointed out in the discord, that's a transcription of a real seance performed at Otto Binder's house, with a very young Frank Miller in attendance. You can read about it on page 261 of Bill Schelly's Otto Binder biography. I missed that specific reference but the mention of Mark Van Doren really caught me off guard and I had previously read about Otto Binder's interest in the occult and esotericism in some Jeffrey Kripal book many years ago.
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radlum posted:So I didn't get it at first, but seeing reactions online...was that Otto Binder trying to contact his daughter (who died in an accident) through a seance in Rorschach #1? If so then...that's even worse than a Ditko stand-in being on the comic Apparently that really happened, but I’m not sure if that makes it better E: beaten by a minute
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hup posted:but I’m not sure if that makes it better Oh to be sure, it's pretty tacky unless he winds up doing something really really interesting with it.
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I’ll go to bat for King more often than not, but I’m dreading the reveal that Manhattan didn’t vaporize Kovacs but launched him through time and then he appears at that seance, nude and horrible, posed like Osterman reborn in the cafeteria
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So the after Oklahoma line means that this is set post-tv show rather than post doomsday clock reboot, right?
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Thranguy posted:So the after Oklahoma line means that this is set post-tv show rather than post doomsday clock reboot, right? Maybe they're saying the show, or some form of those events, are now canon cause of the universe fuckery or something. I don't think I'd put a show where the writer has a literal Klan member as his self insert character personally, but DC gonna DC.
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Vince MechMahon posted:Maybe they're saying the show, or some form of those events, are now canon cause of the universe fuckery or something. I don't think I'd put a show where the writer has a literal Klan member as his self insert character personally, but DC gonna DC. Who was the self-insert character (for Damon Lindelof, I assume?) in Watchmen?
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Future State details announced. it's a reworked 5G, alright https://twitter.com/thedcnation/status/1316741077953466368
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Edit: Beaten above. I'll grab a trade of it all when it's complete.
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https://darkknightnews.com/2020/10/...IIB6RMKBFkgoSXU Holy poo poo NONE of this sounds interesting at all
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But hey Red X is there, they're finally capitalizing on the popularity of Teen Titans (2003).
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