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Maybe they’ll bring Stormfront back like they did with Freiza with robot parts and all and she just gets hilariously beaten by a normal human.
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Oct 10, 2020 00:50
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Yudo posted:The Stahlhelm was introduced during World War 1 and remained mostly unchanged in the Second World War. It was a very good design for the era, but it too was mass produced stamped steel i.e. nothing exciting. In the effort to expound and expose the mythology of fascism, it may help to not fall for it in the first place. Fascist do-dads were no better by dint of ideology and their cultural and artistic production is best characterized as "poo poo"; so too a considerable proportion of their weapons systems that were, by and large, mass produced at a reasonable clip. Oh, I didn't know that. I knew they had to figure out how to ramp up production pretty quickly once it became clear the Soviets were not, in fact, just a bunch of peasants gonna get blitzkrieged. There's some hilarious internal documents from the initial German penetration on the Eastern front like, "where the gently caress did all these railroads and factories come from? They're not on our 10 year old maps." Nazis, lmao. quote:Fascism has an aesthetic that quickly degenerates into kitsch because a popularized aesthetic is the only coherent aspect of fascist regimes. Fascism has no meaningful ideology whatsoever--unless one counts opportunism as ideology--which is largely why so much hot air has been blown trying to define it in digestible terms. Perhaps the defining traits of national socialism and fascism is absolute power and a sort of pathetic nostalgia; national socialism too had its weird racial ideology that didn't make sense even within its own context (not to mention it not differing materially from that of the German Empire). The proponents of the "ideology" were intellectually lazy opportunists and/or brutes installed by the rich as the best alternative to communism in dying liberal democracies. In the end, that is what fascism is/was: the not communism, counter-revolution to save capital's bacon after they tank yet another democracy. Oh fo sho comrade. In serious crises the 'downwardly mobile' middle class becomes the popular base for this kind of fake transition - and guess what? Relative to global productive relations, loving everybody in America/Canada/Europe/the G8 is 'middle class'. Welcome to now. Fascism is just liberalism becoming conscious of its class interests and taking the gloves off more than like, a positive political anything. You could even argue that fascists are going to be mobilized/weaponized to the exact extent that there's an organized revolutionary movement advancing, so like, this time around's all farce. quote:This show serves as a better commentary on contemporary capitalism and imperialism than anything else. The Nazi thing falls flat: the Nazi's were not super anything and they got their asses handed to them by untermensch. I fear that the name "Stormfront" betrays that the writers have fallen for Nazi mythology, but whatever it's a tv show. How would you read the reveal that the AOC-stand-in is also-Vaught? I'm getting both a desperate attempt to frame both left/right 'populists' as the same bad bads while allowing our antiheros to occupy an incredibly shaky moral center, but also a (likely inadvertent) subtext of 'all factions of electoral politics are always already captured by capital's interests'.
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Oct 10, 2020 00:54
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The Boys is going to end up like The Wire but with capes
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Oct 10, 2020 00:58
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yo mamma a Horus posted:i laughed out loud when stormfront did the movie neck-snap to kimiko and then kimiko got up like nothing happened I got freaked out for a second before I remembered she's got super healing.
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Oct 10, 2020 00:59
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Johnny Truant posted:what if HL's kid is the one who ends her? hmmmm wow can't believe i called that that was a fun last ep.
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Oct 10, 2020 01:05
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Romes128 posted:Maybe they’ll bring Stormfront back like they did with Freiza with robot parts and all and she just gets hilariously beaten by a normal human. I was disappointed that Kimiko did not get one on one fight with Stromfront.
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Oct 10, 2020 01:13
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Honestly would have been better if Kimoko took out Stormfront's eye.
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Oct 10, 2020 01:15
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side_burned posted:I was disappointed that Kimiko did not get one on one fight with Stromfront. She went for the face rip tho. Hopefully she gets it eventually.
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Oct 10, 2020 01:16
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I liked that they didn't milk the necksnap fakeout at least. No time wasted, even Frenchie didn't really get much of a reaction shot.
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Oct 10, 2020 01:24
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So I guess Starlight couldn't absorb Stormfront's electricity. I really thought they were leading up to that with how much her electricity absorption was emphasized this season. Not much else to say that wasn't already said. Can't wait for season 3.
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Oct 10, 2020 01:32
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That was a pretty solid season. Now for a
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Oct 10, 2020 01:42
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Honestly, the scariest thing about HL's "self-indulgent" ending this season is that I think what he was really talking about was "I'll just have/make more kids." Yeah, same. There’s a later arc in Invincible that actually follows up on this where its revealed the renegade leader of the viltrumites (the nearly immortal super race Invincible hails from) has stolen off to a remote planet where he knows the alien race is compatible for producing offspring and...   
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Oct 10, 2020 01:44
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i rolled my eyes at hughie and starlight's conversation about working to reform the system from the inside, but then it was immediately followed by aoc popping heads. they got me!
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Oct 10, 2020 01:46
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Just an aside, but I found this picture and damned if it's not a good'un: (that picture belongs as an accompanying avatar to someone named "The Murder-ious AOC") Aside from the fact that Claudia Doumit's loving gorgeous  and I loved her in Timeless, I'm anxious to see her as the RL equivalent of an impostor from Among Us.One thing I considered was that maybe Vic is one of a non-identical set of this universe's version of the Stepford Cuckoos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepford_Cuckoos BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Oct 10, 2020 |
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Oct 10, 2020 01:48
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So the current Seven line-up is: 1. Homelander 2. Queen Maeve 3. Starlight 4. A-Train 5. Black Noir (on a "mission" as far as the public knows) Am I missing anybody? I think that's all that is left standing, and even if (season 3 casting spoiler) Soldier Boy is coming in, there's at least one spot available for somebody (not you, Deep) to fill.
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Oct 10, 2020 01:59
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Is Deep publicly kicked out? Fake Daredevil and Stormfront were replacements for Translucent, they never talked about Deep's spot really.
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Oct 10, 2020 02:01
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I really wished they'dve killed a supe but it was also satisfying seeing them defeat him without actually laying a finger on him. That guy is really good at unhinged-face, plus his casual threat to just become a supervillain if he ever had to be held accountable for his own monstrosisicity. I wonder if Butcher just could've contacted Edgar and be like "drat you were right, protect the kid and becca." Next confrontation between Edgar and Butcher is going to be awkward. Butcher should've set up a nanny cam in there once he knew he was going to have to bail on the original plan, but I guess sooner or later footage of evil homelander is bound to be exposed. I liked that the Audio Description kept calling the knife Becca used a "dagger." It's not wrong but it does sound like something you say when you want the knife to be more sinister, like if you were in a court case where someone had a knife, calling it a dagger or a sword is kind of scarier
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Oct 10, 2020 02:11
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Aside from the fact that Claudia Doumit's loving gorgeous Amazing eyebrows that woman
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Oct 10, 2020 02:18
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Wow, that was certainly an episode. Starr continued to crush it. The look that crosses his face when Stormfront says she wishes she'd killed Vogelbaum. He hated the dude, but he was still the closest thing he had to a father. His line at the end too - if he's pushed too far, he'll "destroy everyone and everything". Not "that you love". Just everyone and everything. He tries so hard to actually be a good parent too. In the restaurant I fully expected him to ignore Ryan in favour of the adoring crowd, but he notices Ryan is freaking out straight away and gets him out of there. Even Stormfront was pitiable by the end too, no limbs but still alive and muttering about how watching her daughter eat apples for the first time was her fondest memory. The violence in this show is always hard-hitting.
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Oct 10, 2020 02:23
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jabby posted:...but he notices Ryan is freaking out straight away and gets him out of there. To be fair, this could've been done almost entirely out of self-preservation as well, since everyone in that restaurant had no clue they were sharing airspace with an armed, living, breathing, hydrogen bomb with a hair trigger.  They just saw some "lucky little boy" having lunch with Homelander and Stormfront.
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Oct 10, 2020 02:29
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I liked when Maeve decided she was going to vote for Biden at the last minute after all
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Oct 10, 2020 02:34
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Aphrodite posted:Is Deep publicly kicked out? Fake Daredevil and Stormfront were replacements for Translucent, they never talked about Deep's spot really. Maeve also offered to help him get back in in exchange for the tape which turned out to be pretty critical. I just recalled another dangling plot thread, which is that when he brought her the GoPro, she ordered him not to tell anyone and he made a face that screamed "I told Aleister immediately and he made 8 copies" which might be some of the dirt he referenced at the end.
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Oct 10, 2020 02:36
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Honestly, the scariest thing about HL's "self-indulgent" ending this season is that I think what he was really talking about was "I'll just have/make more kids." I really thought they were going to show him nutting into a cup and giving that to some Vought scientists to mix together with a harvested egg or two from Stormfront. Seems like too lucrative of an angle to pass up. Season was great overall, every character got some growth and interesting moments. Becca's death was actually quite sad IMO. Everybody acted their rear end off there, including the kids. Butcher beating away at Stormfront to no avail while she chokes out his wife, his rage and grief after, the kid just falling to pieces but still smart enough to realize that he's safer with Butcher than Homelander...good poo poo all around. Worked well enough to set up Kid HL being the inverse of his biological father and create motivation for Butcher to mentor/protect the kid. Fake AOC being the headpopper felt a little bit much but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and see where it goes. Obviously Edgar is working with her and now Hughie is going to be an unaware pawn to keep the Boys in check, so whatever happens in Season 3 to blow that up will be interesting to see. Homelander continues to be the standout. Dude is terrifying, pathetic, inhuman, and yet strangely relatable all at once.
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Oct 10, 2020 02:38
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I do think Homelander cared and cares for Ryan, even if their relationship is colored by his own vanity and emotional immaturity. As the confrontation with Maeve showed, Homelander lives to be worshipped, but what he wants the most is a family and Ryan is both his actual son and the only being on the planet that could be a real peer to him, I'd also say he wants a chance to "fix" his childhood through Ryan's. Starr's acting really sells it and he had me feeling sorry for a character that's otherwise a monster, amazing stuff.
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Oct 10, 2020 02:46
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Yeah that talk he had with Ryan about running away was the first time I've felt sympathy for the character
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Oct 10, 2020 02:48
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Homelander is so close to being completely broken I can't wait to see what they do with him in Season 3. It's hard to imagine he'll just let Ryan go though. Even under threat of blackmail he wants someone he can relate to so desperately.
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Oct 10, 2020 02:48
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I liked Becca and wish she didn't die, but I get it's to strengthen the parallels between Butcher and Homelander.
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Oct 10, 2020 02:59
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Durzel posted:I dunno why we’re spoiling things like 10+ pages past the end of the show airing. I'm surprised by how OK I am with all of the Boys' crew surviving, they're just too likeable (Butcher a bit less)
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Oct 10, 2020 03:15
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I enjoyed the season as a whole but I'm not too keen on the finale. It seemed like the show needed more space to explain itself. The fall of Stormfront seemed rushed and poorly set up and I have no idea why Annie would still want to have anything to do with the Seven after everything that transpired this season. I didn't buy Butcher's sudden empathy toward Ryan after two season's worth of animosity. I'm uneasy about the murderous AOC stand-in but I guess I'll see where it goes.
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Oct 10, 2020 03:16
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It was the very first time Butcher actually interacted with Ryan. He wasn't a living child to him before, just an obstacle.
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Oct 10, 2020 03:19
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Necrothatcher posted:I hope she does have AOC's politics and is prepared to pop heads to realise them. Glorious Five Year Plan shall rise again. Would be interesting if they try to remix the the unstable head popping compound V from the Russian storyline into season 3, rather than giving AoC a head popping 'power'. I do feel like the toxic waste aspect of V has been sadly underused. Actually on a similar note the show is definitely superior to the comics in most way, but it feels like it's trying to humanise Butcher too much. He doesn't have the driven, genocidal 'they all have to die' bent that gets exposed early on with his gleeful murder of 150 supes in the Moscow warehouse. I wonder if they're intentionally steering away from that, or if it'll come out later in the series. But then, y'know, in this timeline he didn't murder a floating baby that had just burst out of his wife and was trying to eye laser him. That'd gently caress anyone up.
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Oct 10, 2020 03:20
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QuoProQuid posted:I have no idea why Annie would still want to have anything to do with the Seven after everything that transpired this season. Yeah maybe they could have had a scene with Hughie where she talks about why she'd want to go back .
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Oct 10, 2020 03:20
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Loved the season, though not as much as the first. My only real complaints are that they way rushed through the Stormfront memory-holing. No way Homelander comes away clean after being seen leading Trump-style anti-immigration rallies with a woman confirmed to be an actual nazi. He was all over that poo poo. And her riled up “base” isn’t going anywhere just because she was disgraced. I’d also like to have seen more with Butcher and the kid — did Butcher tell him it wasn’t his fault? I hope they really get to explore that relationship next season. The lefty AOC-type being a psycho-murderer supe rules and I can’t wait to see where they go with that.
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Oct 10, 2020 03:22
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RockyB posted:Actually on a similar note the show is definitely superior to the comics in most way, but it feels like it's trying to humanise Butcher too much. He doesn't have the driven, genocidal 'they all have to die' bent that gets exposed early on with his gleeful murder of 150 supes in the Moscow warehouse. I wonder if they're intentionally steering away from that, or if it'll come out later in the series. I could see them pulling something like this in season 3. Ryan is an exception to Butcher because of his connection to his wife, just like Starlight is an exception (right now) because of her connection to Hughie. He's still the guy that Becca was afraid was going to put someone in the hospital if he had a bad day and now all that is directed at supes. A little massacre of faceless supes isn't beyond the Butcher we get in the show. I imagine his disdain for baseline humans who choose to get V'd up would be enough to make him go berserk. Speaking of season 3, I hope they buck the trend of having an interesting female character get murked in the finale to facilitate a leap in characterization for the main dudes. Stillwell and Becca were two of the most complex characters on the show and it feels like neither one really got enough time to shine.
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Oct 10, 2020 03:26
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Aphrodite posted:It was the very first time Butcher actually interacted with Ryan. He wasn't a living child to him before, just an obstacle. I don't know. I found it difficult to square Butcher's hard deal with Edgar with his sudden change of heart over kidnapping Ryan, especially when he's shown himself willing to kill or threaten innocent people when it suits his needs (or he's just feeling angry). I can see how the Butcher could soften his stance but the show didn't really do any of the work to set that up. I needed something more than a guilty expression and an glance at his wife's son.
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Oct 10, 2020 03:27
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This is really small chips, but it seemed like Vic Neumann's eyes turned milky when she played head pop with the cult leader. Given she was in the room when it happened in Congress in E7 were there any on-screen clues (like her eyes?) or I suppose it could be possible an off-screen clue it was her could be revealed next season. Just seems odd they'd give it such an obvious effect in one scene and ignore that in another.
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Oct 10, 2020 03:29
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QuoProQuid posted:I don't know. I found it difficult to square Butcher's hard deal with Edgar with his sudden change of heart over kidnapping Ryan, especially when he's shown himself willing to kill or threaten innocent people when it suits his needs (or he's just feeling angry). I can see how the Butcher could soften his stance but the show didn't really do any of the work to set that up. I needed something more than a guilty expression and an glance at his wife's son. I think it mostly came from the scene where Becca makes him swear- if nothing else, it's an obvious bomb waiting to go off in a future relationship Sheriff Falc posted:This is really small chips, but it seemed like Vic Neumann's eyes turned milky when she played head pop with the cult leader. I suspect they just added the effect to make sure you know that she's the supe, I wouldn't read too much into it.
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Oct 10, 2020 03:31
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Sheriff Falc posted:This is really small chips, but it seemed like Vic Neumann's eyes turned milky when she played head pop with the cult leader. I went back and checked and no.  There's a quick shot of her right as the chairman's head explodes and there's nothing funky going on with her eyes. Later we see her running around screaming as heads explode around her but there's nothing obviously weird about her.
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Oct 10, 2020 03:34
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StashAugustine posted:I suspect they just added the effect to make sure you know that she's the supe, I wouldn't read too much into it. I just re-watched the Congress scene. Her eyes are 100% normal there. They do have a bit of a lingering shot on her at one point as she's getting out of the room but that's about it. I think you're right.
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StashAugustine posted:I think it mostly came from the scene where Becca makes him swear- if nothing else, it's an obvious bomb waiting to go off in a future relationship I went back and watched the hearing massacre, her eyes weren't foggy or anything. I think it's like you said, just an effect so we would know for certain that it was her E: beaten, with nearly the same post. drat
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