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Gambit from the X-Men posted:And everyone sells it so damned well. I liked Brodie's crumple a lot Somewhat tangental to this, what are some finishers that were so successful everyone started doing variations of them in a hurry? I'm thinking of the Shining Wizard in particular, as there was a period where basically everyone in Japan and th eUS indies was working up different versions.
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I seem to remember a period in the late 90s when DDP and Austin were both on top when everyone was using a stunner or a cutter of some description.
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davidbix posted:Henry is absolutely the best choice. His title win ended up saving SmackDown from a complete business collapse that was happening with Orton as champion. Just a couple weeks earlier, the 9/6/2011 SmackDown taping in Toledo drew 1,600 paid (with there being an equal number of comps to make the building look presentable on TV). Henry's title win reversed the trend enough to stop the bleeding. 1) I never really thought of that as a gold watch run. 2) I knew people were into the Hall of Pain thing but not to the degree where it could reverse business. Like, Mark Henry...he just...was not a good wrestler. Ever. It's like 'you're the world's strongest man, do a move...like a power move...or something.' Pulling the truck was great but you can't pull a drat truck in a wrestling ring.
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Spuckuk posted:Somewhat tangental to this, what are some finishers that were so successful everyone started doing variations of them in a hurry? I'm thinking of the Shining Wizard in particular, as there was a period where basically everyone in Japan and th eUS indies was working up different versions. The Burning Hammer got very popular on the indies, not as popular as the Shining WIzard (since most recognized the Burning Hammer should be a finish) but still had a bunch of guys doing it! Exploders also got pretty popular.
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Spuckuk posted:Somewhat tangental to this, what are some finishers that were so successful everyone started doing variations of them in a hurry? I'm thinking of the Shining Wizard in particular, as there was a period where basically everyone in Japan and th eUS indies was working up different versions. the DDT has to count, going back a few decades
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Lamuella posted:I seem to remember a period in the late 90s when DDP and Austin were both on top when everyone was using a stunner or a cutter of some description. That's still the case now, they're just transitional moves here in 2020. I'd put superkicks in this conversation too.
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Here's the opposite end of the question: What's a move you wish everyone would steal? Before the huricanrana became popular American wrestlers would do a much different headscissors and it looked really cool. If you played WWF Warzone (or maybe it was Attitude?) Shawn Michaels did it in the game. I believe it dates back to Carpentier, where the wrestler scissors the head while laying out parallel to the shoulders and both roll forward. It looks really cool and gravity defying. I wish more wrestlers would do it now.
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Spuckuk posted:Somewhat tangental to this, what are some finishers that were so successful everyone started doing variations of them in a hurry? I'm thinking of the Shining Wizard in particular, as there was a period where basically everyone in Japan and th eUS indies was working up different versions.
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CombineThresher posted:That's still the case now, they're just transitional moves here in 2020. Canadian Destroyers/Yoshi Tonics are starting to get there.
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Oct 12, 2020 16:15
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MassRafTer posted:What's a move you wish everyone would steal? Phoenix Splash. Matt Sydal doing a Phoenix Splash. Brian Cage doing a Phoenix Splash. The Butcher doing a Phoenix Splash. Otis...I don't actually care what Otis does I don't watch that show.
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MassRafTer posted:Here's the opposite end of the question:
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MassRafTer posted:Here's the opposite end of the question: I want to see a heel trio use the Ragnarok, though apparently it's a move that absolutely sucks to take.
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Oct 12, 2020 17:06
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The big choke slam and power bomb
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MassRafTer posted:Before the huricanrana became popular American wrestlers would do a much different headscissors and it looked really cool. If you played WWF Warzone (or maybe it was Attitude?) Shawn Michaels did it in the game. I believe it dates back to Carpentier, where the wrestler scissors the head while laying out parallel to the shoulders and both roll forward. Thinking back to moves that blew my mind in those days,m I wish more people did a simple cradle driver like Lynn and Suzuki, and more people imitated the Cloverleaf instead of the Sharpshooter. I like weird submission holds. I remember Sasaki did this weird neck crank/armbar combo that he called one of his Strangleholds even though it wasn't a stranglehold.
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I want to see more people do tossing uppercuts but that's more because I miss seeing cesaro do big spots
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MassRafTer posted:Here's the opposite end of the question: Regal's old wristlclutch neckbreaker
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MassRafTer posted:Here's the opposite end of the question: I want more people to do the Psycho Driver II. I just want people to pretend the 2000s destruction of the bodies of the AJPW guys never happened & we can go back to doing excessive head drops. Is that too much to ask? (Yes it is, this shouldn't happen despite me wanting it to) El Gallinero Gros posted:Regal's old wristlclutch neckbreaker Yeah, I want more wrist clutch variations of moves. Like, wrist clutch exploder suplex is even cooler than the original exploder forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Oct 12, 2020 |
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Oct 12, 2020 18:00
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the steve mcmichael spinning tombstone
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I'm shocked we haven't see someone in WWE or AEW use the Rainmaker as a finisher. When done right it looks amazing and it's pretty safe too. And no Seth's lovely Vtrigger/Rainmaker fusion doesn't count
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I liked Wade Barrett's cutthroat elbow. Maybe not the best move for that guy, but a good move.
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I feel like there was always a move someone in WWE would setup but never hit. Like, literally never, ever hit it because it logically didn't look like it could be done safely. It was one of those things where if you actually hit someone with it, it would just mean instant, catastrophic injury and death so you always knew it would never get hit but it was always setup anyway. Am I thinking of someone/something that didn't exist, or was it not someone in WWE? I've been trying to think of it since the question came up and I'm blanking.
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Ganso Bomb posted:I feel like there was always a move someone in WWE would setup but never hit. Like, literally never, ever hit it because it logically didn't look like it could be done safely. It was one of those things where if you actually hit someone with it, it would just mean instant, catastrophic injury and death so you always knew it would never get hit but it was always setup anyway. Gavok posted:Razor Ramon going for a Razor's Edge to the outside. That spot always bugged me. He was hinting at a move that he was realistically never going to pull off safely as setup for his opponent to backdrop him out of the ring.
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SatoshiMiwa posted:I'm shocked we haven't see someone in WWE or AEW use the Rainmaker as a finisher. When done right it looks amazing and it's pretty safe too. And no Seth's lovely Vtrigger/Rainmaker fusion doesn't count Jimmy Havoc used a version of it before ... well, you know.
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Spuckuk posted:Somewhat tangental to this, what are some finishers that were so successful everyone started doing variations of them in a hurry? I'm thinking of the Shining Wizard in particular, as there was a period where basically everyone in Japan and th eUS indies was working up different versions. DDT E: beaten like a government mule
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Ganso Bomb posted:I feel like there was always a move someone in WWE would setup but never hit. Like, literally never, ever hit it because it logically didn't look like it could be done safely. It was one of those things where if you actually hit someone with it, it would just mean instant, catastrophic injury and death so you always knew it would never get hit but it was always setup anyway. You see I always thought it was the suplex outside of the ride but then people starting hitting with it.
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Davros1 posted:Jimmy Havoc used a version of it before ... well, you know. And it looked like the weakest poo poo, especially for a deathmatch guy
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Does anyone still do a diving knee as a big spot or finisher? I've seen a clip of Seth Rollins doing it but I don't watch WWE.
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MassRafTer posted:Here's the opposite end of the question: The Minoru Tanaka Northern Lights-Armbreaker combination
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Halloween Jack posted:Does anyone still do a diving knee as a big spot or finisher? I've seen a clip of Seth Rollins doing it but I don't watch WWE. Togi Makabe for some reason
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I Before E posted:The Minoru Tanaka Northern Lights-Armbreaker combination Cosign on this, that poo poo is slicker than Crisco Gaz-L posted:Togi Makabe for some reason He's essentially a Bruiser Brody tribute and Brody's finish was the King Kong Kneedrop
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MassRafTer posted:Here's the opposite end of the question: Definitely the Tiger Driver 98 its a dangerous move but it looks spectacular.
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A number of people do it, including Joey Janela, but I would love to see someone use a picture-perfect Randy Savage top rope elbow as a finisher. There's something about the air time he gets on it that I haven't seen imitators replicate (apart from Kairi Sane, but her elbow is something else entirely).
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Punk used to do it but it looked bad
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Perry Saturn's elbow drop was beautiful but I don't think he ever used it as a finisher. I liked Mox's headlock driver back when he used that as a finisher, but I get why no one would ever want to take that.
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The problem with stuff like the Tiger Driver 98 is that as soon as someone steals it, so will five other guys, and they'll use it as a standard finisher or worse, a mid-match spot. Then it will be part of the finisher treadmill and we'll have to see a top rope variation for anyone to give a poo poo. Somewhere out there, some idiot in a wrestling school thinks he's going to end every match with a Kawada Driver.
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Spuckuk posted:Somewhat tangental to this, what are some finishers that were so successful everyone started doing variations of them in a hurry? I'm thinking of the Shining Wizard in particular, as there was a period where basically everyone in Japan and th eUS indies was working up different versions. The Spear aside from how many real wrestlers picked it up, every e-fed character was doing it (+superkicks, canadian destroyers) MassRafTer posted:Here's the opposite end of the question: Wrath/Adam Bomb/Bryan Clark's pumphandle slam (The Meltdown?) looked cool as poo poo and I don't think I've seen anyone that size do that particular slam like that again also, the way el generico would sort of come off the ground for yakuza kicks, like they were jumping yakuza kicks and my favorite
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MassRafTer posted:Here's the opposite end of the question: Give every power guy the Muscular Bomb. Also everyone should do elaborate lucha pins.
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Bring back heels using the abdominal stretch with rope (or tag partner) as leverage when the ref's not looking (I think FTR did this recently though) also the Cobra Clutch e: or this, especially the pre-hit dance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcbMuW5-mj0 it's like a Full LASHLEY + Rock Bottom and owns Hirez fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Oct 12, 2020 |
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Lamuella posted:A number of people do it, including Joey Janela, but I would love to see someone use a picture-perfect Randy Savage top rope elbow as a finisher. There's something about the air time he gets on it that I haven't seen imitators replicate (apart from Kairi Sane, but her elbow is something else entirely). The way Savage did his elbow was to keep his arm down by his side; everybody else seems to raise to their head or higher Seams posted:Punk used to do it but it looked bad Like every move Punk copied from someone better
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