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I'm obviously not educated enough in European history/politics to understand this map.
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Oct 9, 2020 19:51
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Xelkelvos posted:I'm obviously not educated enough in European history/politics to understand this map. Highlights that I picked up: * Nyorsk and Bokmal are the two ways of writing Norwegian. I don't know why they picked one for Denmark though. * Belorussia is an old name for Belarus; Belowrussia is a better name for Moldova; The ancestral homeland of the Russians was Ukraine, and the Kievan Rus'. * Romanians live in Rome, obviously. * "Pais largo" refers to the famous propaganda of "Portugal is a large country" * "Great Britain" is weirdly the most inaccurate one, since France is the home of Wee Britain, aka Brittany. * Mauritania is the name of the country south of Morocco; that region, however, was also called Mauretania in Roman times. * Macedonia, being led by Alexander, is of course where you find Alexandria. * The Minoans were based on Crete and should rise again with their unholy army of half man, half bull creatures named, of course, Cretotaurs.
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Oct 9, 2020 20:24
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Golbez posted:Highlights that I picked up: Vostok (see Vladivostok!) is russian for east. Belarus and variants literally mean "White Russia," and an archaic word for Ukraine is "Malorus" and variants, which mean "Little Russia." So they're giving current Russia the Ukraine and Belarus treatment. Also Serbia in this map is "Croatia" but in cyrillic. Or technically "Khrvatska" which is the croatian for Croatia, but in cyrillic. e: also Romania, a country famous for speaking an isolated romance language, is Slavia Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Oct 9, 2020 |
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Oct 9, 2020 20:37
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Golbez posted:Highlights that I picked up:
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Oct 9, 2020 20:40
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Also Serbia in this map is "Croatia" but in cyrillic.
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Oct 9, 2020 20:42
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I don't get Belgium
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Oct 9, 2020 20:58
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Bokmål is basically Danish is the joke I think. In contrast to Nynorsk, which is a nationalist project centered around a more provincial Norwegian.
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Oct 9, 2020 21:01
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Phlegmish posted:I don't get Belgium  presumably Don't ask me why Britain is an 8th century conquest of the franks on this
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Oct 9, 2020 21:03
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:
That would make sense, but the map appears to be about slapfights. I have never heard anyone here be particularly resentful towards France or complain about Belgium being considered France or whatever. France is just where we go on holiday. It's yet another map that I will file in my huge, bulking 'maps that make no sense when Belgium is measured as a single entity' folder. Actually, most Flemings would not even particularly mind Southern Netherlands either, since that is in fact what most of Belgium was called for centuries. Certainly has more historical cred than 'Belgium' itself.
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Oct 9, 2020 21:31
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Pope Hilarius II posted:Somewhat educated Belgians also love to quote Caesar when he said "the Belgians are the bravest of all the tribes", despite the fact that this was (1) a propaganda stunt to claim the Romans were even cooler because they annihilated the Belgians and (2) present-day Belgian people don't descend from the Belgae but the Franks.
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Oct 9, 2020 21:37
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Unlike 'France' most of us actually still speak a (Frankish) Germanic language, so yeah, hand it over e: also rename yourselves to Southern France at least or we will block your entry into the EU
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Oct 9, 2020 21:41
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I do unironically like Dutchland as an English term, because it's far less exonymic while still being one. Definitely better than whatever current-France are doing, and reflects English as being a Dutchlandic language the other side of Frisian.
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Oct 9, 2020 21:52
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Solution: whoever can take and hold Aix-la-Chappelle out of Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy, Luxembourg, and hypothetical future Catalonia gets to be called Groot-Frankrijk and everyone else has to be (cardinal direction) (France in local language)
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Oct 9, 2020 22:06
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Solution: whoever can take and hold Aix-la-Chappelle out of Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy, Luxembourg, and hypothetical future Catalonia gets to be called Lothringia?
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Oct 9, 2020 22:22
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Xelkelvos posted:I'm obviously not educated enough in European history/politics to understand this map. Others I might explain: * Chaldea: ancient Semitic kingdom, not really related to Syria * Minoa: the ancient Cretans were known as Minoans, a pre-Greek civilization * Turkestan: pretty self-explanatory but the region of the Uyghurs is sometimes also called East Turkestan, the present-day Turkish people descend from Central Asian Turkic peoples * Greece: Constantinopole (present-day Istanbul) used to be here * Byzantium: what is now Bulgaria used to be part of the Eastern Roman Empire or the Byzantine Empire * Alexandria: North Macedonia loves claiming Alexander the Great as one of them, though he wasn't, although he may not have been really Greek either * Macedonia: see above * Yugoslavia: Montenegro and Kosovo were both part of Yugoslavia but Kosovo is majority-Albanian and Montenegro as a polity likely has the longest continuous historical existence outside of the three instances of Yugoslavia in the 20th century * Italy: a joke I suppose that Sicilians are sometimes not really considered Italians * Africa: in the classical sense, Africa was just the name for the Mediterranean seaboard of the continent, not the entire continent * Germania: the largest subgroup of the Swiss are German-speaking but this region was never considered to be part of ancient 'Germania' * Orange Free State: a short-lived white settler state in southern Africa whose prime ethnicity considered of Dutch-descended Boers, and 'orange' is the national colour of the Netherlands * Galicia: often, Germanic peoples named their Celtic neighbours variations of 'walha', stranger, hence names like Galicia, Wales and Wallonia * Norway: Iceland is 100% true Nordic master race I guess * Normandy: actual Normandy was named after its conquerors, who were Normans but soon dissolved into the population they conquered (kind of like the Visigoths in Spain or the Burgundians in France) * Sorbia: the Sorbs are a little-known West Slavic culture that currently lives in the east of Germany * PRussia: Kaliningrad used to be Königsberg, an important city in East Prussia * Latvia/Lithuania: get mixed up all the time * Slovenia: gets mixed up all the time with Slovakia * Scandinavia: I think this refers to the Estonians desperately wanting to be seen as Scandinavian instead of Eastern European, their claim to it is that their culture and language is related to Finnish but that's kind of odd considering Finland is often not considered properly Scandinavian either * Sweden: Finland used to be known as East Sweden and still has a Swedish-speaking minority The only name on the map I don't quite get is 'Götaland', maybe it refers to Roman historians frequently confusing invading peoples like the Huns, Alans, Goths etc. as an amalgamation of the same thing?
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Oct 9, 2020 22:23
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Belgium is literally just a bit of the Netherlands that split off because the Netherlands were being mega Protestant.
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Oct 9, 2020 22:27
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Solution: whoever can take and hold Aix-la-Chappelle out of Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy, Luxembourg, and hypothetical future Catalonia gets to be called Groot-Frankrijk and everyone else has to be (cardinal direction) (France in local language) How much time do we have I think we're going to have to cheese the mechanics in our case
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Oct 9, 2020 22:28
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Golbez posted:* "Pais largo" refers to the famous propaganda of "Portugal is a large country" It means "wide country"
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Oct 10, 2020 05:01
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Pope Hilarius II posted:* Orange Free State: a short-lived white settler state in southern Africa whose prime ethnicity considered of Dutch-descended Boers, and 'orange' is the national colour of the Netherlands Pope Hilarius II posted:The only name on the map I don't quite get is 'Götaland', maybe it refers to Roman historians frequently confusing invading peoples like the Huns, Alans, Goths etc. as an amalgamation of the same thing?
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Oct 10, 2020 12:07
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Guavanaut posted:Pretty much, Hungary as an exonym for Magyarország comes from Romans assuming it was the land of the Huns, This doesn’t sound right so I checked Wikipedia. The name (as Ungroi, Ungarii, etc.) dates to the ninth century and was used to describe the Magyars prior to their conquest and settlement in the Carpathian basin. The addition of the “H” may have come due to associations with the Huns.
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Oct 10, 2020 13:12
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Yeah, that did seem suspect. The reason you had so many different steppe populations descending on that particular area is that it consists mostly of easily accessible, fertile plains surrounding the Danube. A few centuries later, the Hungarians would themselves get invaded by the Mongols.
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Oct 10, 2020 13:27
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King Hong Kong posted:This doesn’t sound right so I checked Wikipedia. The name (as Ungroi, Ungarii, etc.) dates to the ninth century and was used to describe the Magyars prior to their conquest and settlement in the Carpathian basin. The addition of the “H” may have come due to associations with the Huns. quote:Hungaria Hungarian nationalists are obsessed with Hun revisionism though, when they really have as much to do with them as Götaland does with the Goths (maybe). Either way Geatland would be more correct as an exonym for the Götaland region than Gothland, and the people who settled the Carpathians had more to do with Goths than Huns, and nationalist revisionism is dumb.
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Oct 10, 2020 14:51
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The Magyars (pronounced "Magyars") were lead by Gary, who was "hung". How do you guys not know this 
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Oct 10, 2020 18:35
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In his second to last book, John Julius Norwich refers to the "Tartars" with a little footnote that says "I know Tatar is the actual correct way to refer to them, but I've always liked 'Tartar' better, and I'm old as gently caress and don't care anymore."
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Oct 10, 2020 19:17
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Tartar's had some solid sauce, I'll give them that.
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Oct 10, 2020 20:09
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Oct 10, 2020 20:15
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Anyone seen this before? I searched for some random business and I get a convex hull around Massachusetts...  (sorry, not politically loaded, just a weird Google Maps thing I didn't know where else to share)
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Oct 11, 2020 21:36
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poo poo, we weren't supposed to let people know about the Great Red Sox Fans Barrier until escape had already been made impossible
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Oct 11, 2020 22:10
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SurgicalOntologist posted:Anyone seen this before? I searched for some random business and I get a convex hull around Massachusetts...
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Oct 12, 2020 00:13
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There was a Pittsburg park whose boundaries on Google maps extended to Texas because someone misplaced a vertex.
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Oct 12, 2020 02:32
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SurgicalOntologist posted:Anyone seen this before? I searched for some random business and I get a convex hull around Massachusetts... This is a boring response but it might be the business letting you know what areas they are able to serve.
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Oct 12, 2020 15:27
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I don't know, I've searched a lot of businesses and never seen an area rather than a point. Plus, the fact that it's a perfect convex hull makes me think it's some glitch.
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Oct 12, 2020 16:06
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a pipe smoking dog posted:This is a boring response but it might be the business letting you know what areas they are able to serve.   For a circle:   SurgicalOntologist posted:I don't know, I've searched a lot of businesses and never seen an area rather than a point. Plus, the fact that it's a perfect convex hull makes me think it's some glitch. As opposed to a Google Maps listing at a single point:  Riveting stuff, right?
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Oct 12, 2020 20:55
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gently caress to web mercator
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Oct 12, 2020 21:02
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Carbon dioxide posted:Map of the Netherlands, with all places labeled with their first recorded name in history. "Aelmere"?
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Oct 12, 2020 21:13
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Groda posted:"Aelmere"? One of the medieval spellings (the other was just Almere) for a lake/inner sea that's roughly where the IJsselmeer is now, long before the northern part completely opened up and the much larger inner sea started being called Zuiderzee. Except for Lelystad, which is named after Lely, the guy who came up with the plan for the Afsluitdijk and the polders, all the towns in the artificial province of Flevoland are either named after lakes/rivers that used to be there, or medieval settlements that used to be there before the Zuiderzee grew to its largest size. Remains of those settlements were found on the bottom of the sea when they pumped the water out.
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Oct 12, 2020 21:50
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Why is IJssel spelled with the double capitals?
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Oct 12, 2020 22:05
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Because in Dutch it's basically one letter.
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Oct 12, 2020 22:34
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Yeah, it's a single vowel. I don't know why we have both ei and ij.
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Oct 12, 2020 22:36
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Especially when the letter Y exists 
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Oct 12, 2020 23:04
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