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LNP Opposition Leader Deb Frecklington campaign in crisis after being referred by own party to election watchdog https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-13/lnp-crisis-as-deb-frecklington-referred-to-election-watchdog/12748400 Whoops
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Not wanting to spread a plague is boot licking, got it
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Oct 12, 2020 22:28
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CelestialScribe posted:1. The vast majority of cops do not ask that and 2. I don’t give a poo poo about going to a restaurant You literally said open restaurants. Why?
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Oct 12, 2020 22:42
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These boots were made for lickin', and that's just what I'll do
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Oct 12, 2020 22:50
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iajanus posted:LNP Opposition Leader Deb Frecklington campaign in crisis after being referred by own party to election watchdog Watch nothing happen. (Though I sincerely hope that isn't the case).
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Oct 12, 2020 22:54
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I'm originally from the UK and my family are mostly over there still including my brother who's an NHS doctor. They're in a worst of all worlds situation of absolute chaos with renewed lockdowns lockdowns and continued uncertainty for who knows how long, plus thousands of excess deaths and economic devastation. As crap as it has been I'm still hugely glad to be in Victoria which has actually taken steps to manage the outbreak and bring it back under control. Yeah it's been poo poo, but what is going on at home is so, so much worse it's ridiculous. Pretty on point with the cultural phenomenon here that most Australians absolutely have no idea how good they have things by global standards and will scream blue murder at the prospect of having to compromise even slightly. I really think had we had Lib governments in Vic and Qld when this hit they would have approached it in the same way as the UK Tories and we'd be similarly hosed.
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Oct 12, 2020 23:07
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CelestialScribe posted:1. The vast majority of cops do not ask that and 2. I don’t give a poo poo about going to a restaurant It is intensely weird that you think people not going outside the 5km limit now, but feeling comfortable doing so after it is lifted is back flipping
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Oct 12, 2020 23:14
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JBP posted:You literally said open restaurants. Why? Because I want to be able to have someone cook for me while being selfish and take away just doesn't cut it.
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Oct 12, 2020 23:18
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14 day rolling average is now increasing, cases with unknown source continues to rise. Cool.
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Oct 12, 2020 23:50
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Yeast posted:14 day rolling average is now increasing, cases with unknown source continues to rise. I'm interested in seeing how far they go on Sunday with stage 3a or whatever it is they're going to call it. We will probably end up like the UK since the virus is already out there and we aren't controlling it as hoped. Open the blood gates.
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Oct 12, 2020 23:52
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JBP posted:I'm interested in seeing how far they go on Sunday with stage 3a or whatever it is they're going to call it. We will probably end up like the UK since the virus is already out there and we aren't controlling it as hoped. Open the blood gates. Andrews flagged that the changes will be social not economic. I'm really beginning to struggle. It's been illegal for me to work since August, and Jobkeeper is getting reduced. I don't want to be dramatic, but it's getting to a point where they're not leaving me any choice but to break the rules so I can pay my bills.
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Oct 12, 2020 23:56
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Yeast posted:Andrews flagged that the changes will be social not economic. I get it. It's loving terrible financially.
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Oct 13, 2020 00:05
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Stuff like the Box Hill hospital outbreak makes me think we would have had to get very lucky to get rid of it altogether Window of good will may be closing, and I understand why. It sucks though
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Oct 13, 2020 00:07
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Breakfast Burrito posted:It is intensely weird that you think people not going outside the 5km limit now, but feeling comfortable doing so after it is lifted is back flipping Everything about CS is intensely weird. His screeching meltdowns over the initial stage 3 lockdowns to now being happy with harsher restrictions to back then as long as stage 4 gets eased slightly, believing the intimate partner rule is for casual hook ups instead of people in a relationship who dont live together, thinking that because you've supported the 5km radius that it's backflipping if you travel outside of that when the restriction is lifted. It's honestly infuriating reading his posts and childish logic towards it all. The lockdown has been poo poo, my wife and I are both essential workers so we've been busting our asses, while homeschooling kids and dealing with isolation from everyone (you know, just like everyone else in Melbourne). We've been lucky to avoid the worst effects of the lockdown both financially and for our health, my wife works in intensive care and has had plenty of contact with COVID patients over the last 6 months, and I have to deal with and come into contact with the hordes of selfish public who need to go shopping "because it's so boring at home" while working in a hotspot suburb. One of my staff got the rona as well just before stage 4 kicked off. During this all I've had to attend my uncles funeral remotely, celebrate kids birthdays over facetime. I was meant to be on my first holiday in 10 years last week, and my plans for my 10 year wedding anniversary are up in smoke as well. I still think the lockdown was the right call, and caving and opening up now seems like the wrong call. Not sure that I even have a point beyond a bit of a rant, but I think my main point is gently caress CS
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Oct 13, 2020 00:38
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EoinCannon posted:Stuff like the Box Hill hospital outbreak makes me think we would have had to get very lucky to get rid of it altogether but we did already, back in May. the problem is this time people keep thinking they know better, and flaunting the rules because they're special or it's owed to them. the problem ongoing is a social one.
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Oct 13, 2020 00:45
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KTS posted:Everything about CS is intensely weird. His screeching meltdowns over the initial stage 3 lockdowns to now being happy with harsher restrictions to back then as long as stage 4 gets eased slightly, believing the intimate partner rule is for casual hook ups instead of people in a relationship who dont live together, thinking that because you've supported the 5km radius that it's backflipping if you travel outside of that when the restriction is lifted. It's honestly infuriating reading his posts and childish logic towards it all. Good post and clearly nice goon. You're a trooper mate 
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Oct 13, 2020 00:49
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KTS posted:Everything about CS is intensely weird. His screeching meltdowns over the initial stage 3 lockdowns to now being happy with harsher restrictions to back then as long as stage 4 gets eased slightly, believing the intimate partner rule is for casual hook ups instead of people in a relationship who dont live together, thinking that because you've supported the 5km radius that it's backflipping if you travel outside of that when the restriction is lifted. It's honestly infuriating reading his posts and childish logic towards it all. A lot of people have never had something like this happen to them in their lives and they have no control over it or ability to do anything about it (except the public health requirements). I guess different people react in different ways, some them not logical ways
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Oct 13, 2020 01:15
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Sulla Faex posted:Like 10 years ago when I was growing them I was doing this too but I was broke so the capping thing I got was cheap and I would always get some of the fine powder on the outside of the caps, which just hits your tastebuds immediately and in such a worse, worse way. Plus I thought 00 capsules were like 0.5-0.65g? So for like 3.5g (to 4.55g?) I remember I'd take like 7 capsules.. what size capsules are we talking here that you can get 1g in them? They're big 1g capsules. About the size of an earplug. I usually dump the contents into tap water and drink it, hits in 15min if you've fasted. The gag reflex can also be the dryness.
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Oct 13, 2020 02:54
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I was talking with a friend who works at a servo and they're seeing about 50 customers a day without masks. Or with them pulled under their chin. Or people who walk into the store and then remove their masks. "Oh I left it in the car" and then doesn't go back for it is apparently the most common excuse they hear. He was telling me that other sites he knows of are pretty much the same, about 10% of customers just aren't giving a poo poo anymore. The staff at those sites are noting down the number of people without masks to try and take those numbers to their bosses because the rule to not say anything is still in place because the companies don't want to upset customers and make $$$ go down. And this is outside the metro area in Victoria where the restrictions are incredibly light. It's loving ridiculous. Some people seem utterly incapable of thinking of anyone except themselves or of anything beyond the immediate moment, no matter what it will cost down the line.
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Oct 13, 2020 04:20
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I dont get mask avoidance. Its a literally the easiest thing in the world to comply with. Annecidotal but im seeing similar things when im out walking - lots of people with it down around their neck.
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Oct 13, 2020 05:02
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People are stupid and lazy. It's like all those other easy things people don't do but are a civic good.
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Oct 13, 2020 05:29
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This guy is one of the leading epidemiologists at the uni of Melbourne that the government is basing their plans on, and I'm just some guy, but... https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/time-to-open-up-more-but-we-need-to-prioritise-what-we-value-most-20201012-p56496.html quote:Third, the last two steps of the road map (a distant mirage at the moment) are actually elimination steps. Given both the stubborn tail we are now in, and the fact that NSW has had a modest resurgence and has made it utterly clear they think long-run elimination is impossible, it is near pointless for Victoria to overtly pursue elimination. ...I genuinely do not understand this consistent mindset that Victoria and New South Wales are somehow special or different from the other states and territories. Yes, Sydney and Melbourne are larger cities, but it's just a matter of scale surely? It can't be that much easier to wipe it out in Brisbane, pop. 3 million, than Melbourne, pop. 5 million? (Or New Zealand, also pop. 5 million.) Anyway it's a genuinely depressing article which says we need to be prepared to be in some kind of lockdown or another through 2021. Which makes me want to try to figure out some way of moving back to WA.
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Oct 13, 2020 05:42
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Tommunist posted:I dont get mask avoidance. Its a literally the easiest thing in the world to comply with. Annecidotal but im seeing similar things when im out walking - lots of people with it down around their neck. Wearing a mask protects other people ergo gently caress you
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Oct 13, 2020 05:45
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freebooter posted:Which makes me want to try to figure out some way of moving back to WA. gently caress off we're full
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Oct 13, 2020 05:52
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I recommend Qld, we have strong borders, an ALP state gov, and constantly battling the gangs of roving maurauders trying to take our water keeps the ennui away
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Oct 13, 2020 06:21
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freebooter posted:...I genuinely do not understand this consistent mindset that Victoria and New South Wales are somehow special or different from the other states and territories. Yes, Sydney and Melbourne are larger cities, but it's just a matter of scale surely? It can't be that much easier to wipe it out in Brisbane, pop. 3 million, than Melbourne, pop. 5 million? (Or New Zealand, also pop. 5 million.) it never really got out of control in Brisbane ever. there were only ever a few small outbreaks at a time that were quickly contact-traced and totally isolated, so that's a little different to trying to deal with the last remnants of much larger outbreaks. i agree it's quite possible NSW could have completely eliminated it if they'd had restrictions for a little longer. in Victoria this difficult tail seems to be at least partially due to problems with contact tracing especially in health care, problems with PPE, difficulty getting people in high-risk workplaces to isolate when they have symptoms (such as if they're migrant workers not eligible for the payments that are available for most people who have symptoms), etc., at least according to some reports i've seen
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Oct 13, 2020 06:31
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GoldStandardConure posted:gently caress off we're full I said back! I was born and bred! Never mind right now that I hosed off age 20 for the bright lights. On an actually serious note, though - I wonder how many young people from Perth would have been relatively newly arrived in east coast cities when this kicked off, and subsequently lost their jobs, have zero family support network and can't go back home. lih posted:it never really got out of control in Brisbane ever. there were only ever a few small outbreaks at a time that were quickly contact-traced and totally isolated, so that's a little different to trying to deal with the last remnants of much larger outbreaks. i agree it's quite possible NSW could have completely eliminated it if they'd had restrictions for a little longer. in Victoria this difficult tail seems to be at least partially due to problems with contact tracing especially in health care, problems with PPE, difficulty getting people in high-risk workplaces to isolate when they have symptoms (such as if they're migrant workers not eligible for the payments that are available for most people who have symptoms), etc., at least according to some reports i've seen I thought Sydney did, in fact, more or less eliminate it right before it came back in from Victoria via the Crossroads Hotel? (Although that was a trucker and therefore essential travel, so I guess a closed border wouldn't have made a difference.)
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Oct 13, 2020 06:37
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https://twitter.com/chandibates/status/1315861168586584066
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Oct 13, 2020 07:27
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Asked a customer what's on for the rest of this glorious day, their answer was "Oh, I'm going for a covid test"  They're required to do weekly testing for their cross border job but honestly, get hosed dickhead.
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Oct 13, 2020 07:31
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freebooter posted:I said back! I was born and bred! Never mind right now that I hosed off age 20 for the bright lights. Practically eliminated in Sydney before it spilled over from Victoria yeah
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Oct 13, 2020 07:38
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Did it run over his iCloud backups too?
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Oct 13, 2020 08:30
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I was talking with a friend who works at a servo and they're seeing about 50 customers a day without masks. Or with them pulled under their chin. Or people who walk into the store and then remove their masks. Because for the past half-century our national outlook has been 'she'll be right mate' and somehow we've maintained a functional country, and this is the one time where this laidback approach isn't acceptable. But the whole thing has been written into our DNA, so a few months into this quarantine people are just giving up and telling themselves that it'll probably be OK, they won't get COVID and even if they do they'll probably be asymptomatic and not spread it to anyone they care about. I've been thinking about something for a while now and I'd like anyone presently in the Melbourne area to ask themselves this: since the beginning of this second lockdown, has your life been noticeably improved as a result of declining cases? Because this is what I'm really worried about : people see cases go down, but there's nothing in it for them. You're still stuck at home, there's a chance you've lost your main source of income, if you still have a job you're likely working less and earning less, you can't do poo poo with your time and money because everything is closed, you're being told by the government that you have to observe all these rules but they expect you to have the means to abide by them. (If masks are necessary then they should be supplied by the state at no cost. If staying indoors is mandatory then housing should be provided and evictions should be illegal. I know that even the most progressive Labor governments would be hesitant, but that's what you need to do in this situation.) You've observed, to the best of your ability, all the guidelines that the state government has placed on you. But cases have not decreased to the degree that was expected or required to loosen restrictions. 'Sorry, you did what we asked but it's still not good enough. Hey, maybe we'll let you have two guests in your house instead of one. Good luck with keeping that house.' You don't even see the fruits of that collective action. What does declining COVID cases look like to the individual, if not just a number on the news? I think there's a real hesitation, especially in this thread, to ignore or downplay the very real consequences of lockdown because it's the best option we have. The problem is that it's still an awful, alienating and destructive course of action, but the alternative is mass death and despair so we (and I'm guilty of this too) tell ourselves that it's actually good and necessary and that the plan must be followed. Except the plan is only a set of restrictions, a list of things we can't do. And if there's no improvement, not even the short-term promise of improvement, then people will ask why they're obeying these rules. I'm sorry, but we can talk about civic virtue and collective responsibility, but there are real material and social needs that are being starved here, and all that poo poo about civic virtue won't satisfy those needs. For what it's worth, I believe that this quarantine is necessary. Aside from attending the protests earlier this year, I've not left my home for anything except essential reasons. I think any path towards elimination is the correct one, since I don't expect a vaccine to be readily available... poo poo, maybe not even next year. But I think even our best efforts might not be enough, and at some point enough people will reach a breaking point. And I fear that a country who has lived by 'she'll be right mate' for so long has the willpower to see this awful lockdown through. Sorry for all the blackpill poo poo, this quarantine is inspiring me to stop lurking.
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Oct 13, 2020 08:45
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My life has gotten worse in numerous ways but overall it has been improved because the odds of drowning in my own fluids has been significantly reduced
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Oct 13, 2020 10:21
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Sierra Madre posted:I've been thinking about something for a while now and I'd like anyone presently in the Melbourne area to ask themselves this: since the beginning of this second lockdown, has your life been noticeably improved as a result of declining cases? Because this is what I'm really worried about : people see cases go down, but there's nothing in it for them. You're still stuck at home, there's a chance you've lost your main source of income, if you still have a job you're likely working less and earning less, you can't do poo poo with your time and money because everything is closed, you're being told by the government that you have to observe all these rules but they expect you to have the means to abide by them. (If masks are necessary then they should be supplied by the state at no cost. If staying indoors is mandatory then housing should be provided and evictions should be illegal. I know that even the most progressive Labor governments would be hesitant, but that's what you need to do in this situation.) You've observed, to the best of your ability, all the guidelines that the state government has placed on you. But cases have not decreased to the degree that was expected or required to loosen restrictions. 'Sorry, you did what we asked but it's still not good enough. Hey, maybe we'll let you have two guests in your house instead of one. Good luck with keeping that house.' You don't even see the fruits of that collective action. What does declining COVID cases look like to the individual, if not just a number on the news? My partner is immunocompromised and has existing lung damage so we've had to be super careful regardless of what the law says we can do at any given time. Cases being down to these numbers mean we're now comfortable getting takeaway food, takeaway coffee etc. At the very height of the bad numbers I stopped jogging around the park because I didn't feel comfortable even briefly passing that many sweaty, huffing, exhaling, maskless other joggers; I don't feel concerned about that now. We would also feel comfortable now visiting friends and family (at least those who we know are also taking it seriously) but we don't have any within a 5km radius. I would be taking all this seriously even if I was single, but probably would have spent a fortune on Uber Eats all the way through, and would have still just been going down to Woolies instead of getting groceries delivered and then washing them. But having a partner whose risk of death is something like 90% rather than 0.1% (for people of our age) is a very good way of recognising what sucks about this year as being "the pandemic," not "the lockdown."
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Oct 13, 2020 12:43
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Oh and on a non-personal note schools are back now, which presumably makes a world of difference for parents.
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Oct 13, 2020 12:44
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Sierra Madre posted:Except the plan is only a set of restrictions, a list of things we can't do. And if there's no improvement, not even the short-term promise of improvement, then people will ask why they're obeying these rules. This is a really good point.
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Oct 13, 2020 15:44
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Jordies is at it again. https://twitter.com/rippinghottakes/status/1315860182333747200 This plus he doesn’t really get why people are upset he’s happy with being featured on Chinese state media. https://twitter.com/friendlyjordies/status/1315907571887169536
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Oct 13, 2020 15:48
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I heard that Dave Hughes is a Russian assassin.
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I'm pretty sure it's been deleted but I remember Jordies making a video praising Sam Dastyari about a year or so before the whole Chinese donation scandal.
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