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Oct 12, 2020 08:23
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Philman posted:yeah, i'm surprised i havent seen this before too. it's so much easier to read. The recent Shadowrun games have the dialogue in a sidebar as well. I believe Robert actually mentioned they were an influence in the video he did about the UX. I recommend them. Skip Returns and play Dragonfall and Hong Kong.
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Oct 12, 2020 14:02
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If you don't reload after being racist at kim you're a monster I disagree, because it makes for a really good scene.
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Oct 12, 2020 14:11
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Holy poo poo doing a high Physical run so I have lots of Half Light and Physical Instrument is a really, really good idea:  I was too enveloped in two of Half Light's moments to capture them but I made drat sure not to on this one: 
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Oct 12, 2020 16:58
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half-light at high levels is hilarious
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Oct 12, 2020 17:03
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Pattonesque posted:half-light at high levels is hilarious That is what I'm doing on my current run, I'm loving excited 
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Oct 12, 2020 17:10
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Half-Life is great because it's not even trying to be helpful. It doesn't want Harry to get better, it wants him to get worse.
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Oct 12, 2020 19:47
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Half-Light is correct a grand total of one time in the entire game, but its when it counts.
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Oct 12, 2020 20:19
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JustaDamnFool posted:Half-Light is correct a grand total of one time in the entire game, but its when it counts. it helped me bully a racist once so that's pretty cool
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Oct 12, 2020 20:32
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just finished a game where my necktie had a more compelling character arc than most NPCs in most games ever have, and I'd totally buy one if I thought I'd ever wear it
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Oct 13, 2020 01:00
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Mr. Prokosch posted:Half-Life is great because it's not even trying to be helpful. It doesn't want Harry to get better, it wants him to get worse. Are you saying this isn't helpful?  But yeah, can recommend a high phys run, it's pretty hilarious.
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Oct 13, 2020 01:18
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ultrafilter posted:The moment that really sold the game for me was a failed check early on. I attempted to sneak away from Garte after he demanded that I pay for my hotel room. Failing the check had me run away at full speed, turn, extend both middle fingers, and pause to go through several dialogue options that made it clear I was about to crash into Lena. Apparently you can die of a heart attack there, and I'm honestly not sure whether that would've been better than surviving and having to explain myself. this is how I first died in my first playthrough and it ruled
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Oct 13, 2020 01:37
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JawKnee posted:this is how I first died in my first playthrough and it ruled my first playthrough I had 1 point in Physique and tried to grab the tie off the fan and died of a heart attack literally 3 actions into the game and I was like "okay I immediately love this"
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Oct 13, 2020 02:21
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had this whoa moment when outta nowhere came this idea that electrochemistry and half-light are "siblings" who make conscious meaning from the output of the reptilian brain and limbic system
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Oct 13, 2020 02:31
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I failed miserably at basic pistol marksmanship after roasting Kim's own bad pistol marksmanship, threw the gun into the mud, and cried so hard I gave up on being a cop, instead choosing to live under a bridge and throw poop at people. A fitting end IMO
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Oct 13, 2020 02:57
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Oct 13, 2020 03:11
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He's the perfect straight man.
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Oct 13, 2020 03:24
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He is perfect.
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Oct 13, 2020 03:25
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Which duo is the most effective: Harry/Raphael/Tequila & Kim or Electrochemistry & Hand/Eye Coordination?
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Oct 13, 2020 06:00
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:i've seen a lot of people say this, but i really disagree. the racism is in harry's head already, which is why you have to pass a check to keep it inside. if you say it, then you have to own up to it when you follow kim outside. the conversation with kim is where you can confront your latent racism and and doing so is a meaningful step in becoming a better person. of course, you can also double down it, and if you do that, then you're a monster. correct on all points
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Oct 13, 2020 06:08
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Pinball Kim is the best party member that has ever existed in gaming and I hope in another year I’ll see a two hour video on YouTube detailing why he’s the best. I won’t watch it. But I’ll know. The big thing about DE that gets me isn’t just how good the writing is...but how effortless ZA/UM made it seem. None of it comes off as pretentious. It’s a natural and beautiful world to inhabit.
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Oct 13, 2020 06:43
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I've said it before but one of the reasons Kim comes off so great is that he's a straight man who isn't a wet blanket. So often that role is written as the "fun police", but Kim is much more nuanced where he puts on a serious facade but will only actually stop Harry from doing something if it seems like it might be legitimately dangerous or harmful. Most of the time he's content to go "alright, let's see where this goes". He also clearly has his own quirks and indulgences rather than just being a pure robot all the time.
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Oct 13, 2020 07:03
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Oct 13, 2020 15:12
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Broken Cog posted:Are you saying this isn't helpful? The Cheshire Cat posted:I've said it before but one of the reasons Kim comes off so great is that he's a straight man who isn't a wet blanket. So often that role is written as the "fun police", but Kim is much more nuanced where he puts on a serious facade but will only actually stop Harry from doing something if it seems like it might be legitimately dangerous or harmful. Most of the time he's content to go "alright, let's see where this goes". He also clearly has his own quirks and indulgences rather than just being a pure robot all the time. speaking of this screenshot, and kim owning severely........ 
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Oct 13, 2020 16:33
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The Cheshire Cat posted:I've said it before but one of the reasons Kim comes off so great is that he's a straight man who isn't a wet blanket. So often that role is written as the "fun police", but Kim is much more nuanced where he puts on a serious facade but will only actually stop Harry from doing something if it seems like it might be legitimately dangerous or harmful. Most of the time he's content to go "alright, let's see where this goes". He also clearly has his own quirks and indulgences rather than just being a pure robot all the time. Kim's great. Another thing I like is that, as long as it's not too off the wall or supernatural, he's willing to take your hunches seriously even if you can't fully explain or prove them. Or even when you suggest that there are other spots that the shot could have come from, however unlikely he's willing to see it through because he can see that you really did think it through.
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Oct 13, 2020 18:13
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Megazver posted:I recommend them. Skip Returns and play Dragonfall and Hong Kong. ...Or if you really want to get the story of Returns after playing the other two, make a character who is proficient with shotguns and decking.
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Oct 13, 2020 19:22
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:i've seen a lot of people say this, but i really disagree. the racism is in harry's head already, which is why you have to pass a check to keep it inside. if you say it, then you have to own up to it when you follow kim outside. the conversation with kim is where you can confront your latent racism and and doing so is a meaningful step in becoming a better person. of course, you can also double down it, and if you do that, then you're a monster. Also wanted to acknowledge this because 1) you described something really important but 2) it doesn't land the same for everyone. A white person playing the game, having the option of erasing the racism inherent in their Harry through reloading, is playing the classic neoliberal who won't acknowledge their complicity in structural racism, allowing the idea of "racism is only present in slurs & physical harm" to eclipse more pervasive social inequalities. A POC playing the game who has been through enough conversations like the one Harry and Kim have after that fuckup? They probably don't need to play that scene out. But there's no nuanced solution that can support this scene working out for everyone, and ultimately I think this scene is important enough that it belongs in the game. I don't know what it looks like for videogames to properly tangle with the topic of race: DE depicts racism thoughtful way but doesn't depict anti-racism. There's a lot of reason it doesn't do that or can't do that, and having a fictional history is one of those reasons. Not being able to engage with the player's identity or experiences is another. Harry might be capable of growth and change and that's central to the overall narrative, but where he stands with regards to racism is pretty wide open and unexplored. Dragging around the mug into different conversations is funny but that's some performative woke white folks poo poo if I've ever seen it. Dealing with Measurehead's racism is uncomfortable because he might have an objectively hosed up ideology but "look at you, hypocrite colonized dude -- you have fake ideas because you weren't even born in the culture that you really belong to" is loving toxic if you imagine someone applying that to real-world contemporary race issues. Standing up for Kim is fraught because is this out of inherent goodness? or is it because Harry is desperate for positive attention and treating Kim well is more about his own feelings (like most white people and their relationships with POC)?
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Oct 13, 2020 21:01
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Roctavian posted:Also wanted to acknowledge this because 1) you described something really important but 2) it doesn't land the same for everyone. This is a really great dive into it that I completely missed (likely due to privilege). Thank you for the write up!
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Oct 13, 2020 21:28
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Can someone detail when and where the racist comment occurs? I've done the dance scene twice now and my Harry never said anything racist, I'm honestly wondering when it occurs and what it might be, I don't even know what check would trigger it since I didn't seem to pass any that were relevant. Both times for me it ended with me pulling rank rather than anything else.
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Oct 14, 2020 17:05
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zzzzz posted:Can someone detail when and where the racist comment occurs? Well, uh, try to not pull rank next time.
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Oct 14, 2020 17:13
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Arrhythmia posted:Well, uh, try to not pull rank next time. I probably won't play again, and honestly don't remember there being another option! Maybe I'll just go find a Lets Play or something.
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Oct 14, 2020 18:50
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It's not a specific option, it's what happens when you attempt that check and fail.
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Oct 14, 2020 18:56
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zzzzz posted:Can someone detail when and where the racist comment occurs? It's if you try to get Kim to dance and you fail the roll, you will attempt to "jokingly" I guess call him a slur while convincing him to join you and he storms out. It leads to a real good scene where he confronts you about prejudice he's suffered in his life. You do get the chance to apologize at least. I let it roll when it happened to me and still had Kim have my back at the end. I very, very seriously considered reloading though.
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Oct 14, 2020 21:42
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I don't mind finishing the case with Cuno, but I will absolutely savescum every time Harry calls Kim a yellow monkey fucker.
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Oct 14, 2020 23:47
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EorayMel posted:Also: Yeah, this is consistent with Kim as presented elsewhere - the job breaks people, and if you can't find an outlet somewhere, however inappropriate, it'll break you faster. "That was a real person. His death was real. But I named the case that, to amuse myself. I pray his survivors never find out."
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Oct 15, 2020 01:00
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loving lol @ everything about the anti-object task force thought. This embodies me extremely.
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Oct 15, 2020 01:32
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This game is amazing, as has been said a thousand times. I'm on day four with sky-high Motorics and nothing else. I'm catching stuff and noticing stuff and dodging stuff all day and terrible at every other thing I can do. It's great. My next playthrough will be MAXED OUT SUPERCOP just to see what kind of crazy poo poo I can get up to with 20 in everything.
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Oct 15, 2020 15:48
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Dog Kisser posted:This game is amazing, as has been said a thousand times. I'm on day four with sky-high Motorics and nothing else. I'm catching stuff and noticing stuff and dodging stuff all day and terrible at every other thing I can do. It's great. My next playthrough will be MAXED OUT SUPERCOP just to see what kind of crazy poo poo I can get up to with 20 in everything. You get a very noisy head. It makes you a different kind of deranged.
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