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Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

spacetoaster posted:

What are you? Some kind of non-coffee drinker??

She's a tea-man

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spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Meet me in the waffle house parking lot right now if you want a coffee drinking.



That sounded a lot funnier in my head.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

spacetoaster posted:

Meet me in the waffle house parking lot right now if you want a coffee drinking.



That sounded a lot funnier in my head.

Yougotbeans?

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


coconut milk goes really nicely with espresso for less milky mixes

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

The problem with capitalism is that all the talented and/or influential opponents either get killed or co-opted.

Even Harley Quinn:

https://twitter.com/besf0rt/status/1316426258893463552

Edit: Now I have that drat song stuck in my head, and you will too.

PhilippAchtel has issued a correction as of 18:25 on Oct 14, 2020

Gods_Butthole
Aug 9, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Kitfox88 posted:

or do the real proletariat energy booster and take methamphetamines

brb, raiding my partner's addy stash

Gods_Butthole
Aug 9, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

T-man posted:

Goons I just had a great idea, THC infused nice tasting cheese give me your many millions of bitcoin dollars and I will make this dream real

There's no way this doesn't already exist, and if it doesn't do it and make fat stacks.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

If you actually wanna watch the Shell, uh, thing for some reason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxS9ascNqy8

I've watched 30 seconds and I already hate it.

One of the cars is hydrogen (which currently comes entirely from fossil fuels, so that's fine) and the other is an electric car that can't go very fast and can't go very far and if you drive it people will think you're gay.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Oh man this is hilarious actually



Wow I can't believe we easily and conveniently found this SHELL™ brand Hydrogen Refueling Station, courteously provided by SHELL™ to ensure the future of our energy independence! Gosh, we got done filling up the hydrogen tank in just a few minutes, how easy and convenient!!

Oh no!!! The electric car has to SIT AND WAIT at the conspicuously un-branded fast charging station while the people driving it talk about how much time they're wasting! What a nightmare!!

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

For every Comrade Britney, capitalism gifts us with a Kaley Cucko.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Next they must find the lowest CO2 emissions option for an excursion. The suggestions are "walking", "bicycling", "zip-line", "ATV", "airplane"

The actual thing they get is... an electric boat and an electric dune buggy. The electric dune buggy gets stuck in the sand and has to call a fossil fuel burning tow truck running on SHELL™ brand Quality Diesel Fuel.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

They get recumbent electric-assist bikes, but ugh bicycling is so TIRING!! Luckily they just happen to find a bus powered by clean, all-american SHELL™ brand natural gas!

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Crosspostin' from the 'pos


A manager wearing an oculus headset breathlessly wanks himself while telling Barry to pack up his things and be off the property within 30 minutes for the 80th time today

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

A sad Professor Plum
sitting on a toilet.
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1316434108374020096

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010


I mean honestly that's exactly the kind of dumb poo poo I would have done to get free money to buy drugs with in college.

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

necroid
May 14, 2009

Shame Boy posted:

Crosspostin' from the 'pos


A manager wearing an oculus headset breathlessly wanks himself while telling Barry to pack up his things and be off the property within 30 minutes for the 80th time today

lol


also lol

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003


i bet the college wants a cut of the action somehow

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

Shame Boy posted:

Oh man this is hilarious actually



Wow I can't believe we easily and conveniently found this SHELL™ brand Hydrogen Refueling Station, courteously provided by SHELL™ to ensure the future of our energy independence! Gosh, we got done filling up the hydrogen tank in just a few minutes, how easy and convenient!!

Oh no!!! The electric car has to SIT AND WAIT at the conspicuously un-branded fast charging station while the people driving it talk about how much time they're wasting! What a nightmare!!

my sister is a chemist and worked at GM for a short while on hydrogen fuel cells for cars. she said at the time GM expects the cars to be fully on the market in 5 years.

that was in 2006

Gods_Butthole
Aug 9, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
Anyone know why traditional battery EVs became more popular than hydrogen fuel cell vehicles? It seems like they don't suffer from the same charge time problems as EVs and would nominally be just as clean (i.e. depending on the electrical source for hydrolysis), maybe even cleaner if you're not mining as much lithium. Is there a safety issue with transporting large amounts of hydrogen to fuel centers?

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

1. hydrogen has to be made, usually from fossil sources. We COULD have enormous sea-based nuclear plants making gigawatts of power and cracking seawater but the nuclear board won't return my calls anymore.
2. hydrogen is dangerous is new and novel ways.
3. Litium batteries are better developed and understood by virtue of being in everything, whereas fuel cells are still mostly in fancy space tech or specialist use.

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


also you can right now charge an ev anywhere there is an electrical outlet

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!

T-man posted:

1. hydrogen has to be made, usually from fossil sources. We COULD have enormous sea-based nuclear plants making gigawatts of power and cracking seawater but the nuclear board won't return my calls anymore.
2. hydrogen is dangerous is new and novel ways.
3. Litium batteries are better developed and understood by virtue of being in everything, whereas fuel cells are still mostly in fancy space tech or specialist use.

yeah let's dump more heat into the ocean

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Hydrogen is way superior to EVs, assuming the energy grid in which it is manufactured is not carbon based. It's definitely not dagerous in novel ways, that's just pure bullshit. It's safer than any other kind of power platform for vehicles. Of course he best way forward would be to phase out personal vehicles altogether.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

steinrokkan posted:

Hydrogen is way superior to EVs, assuming the energy grid in which it is manufactured is not carbon based. It's definitely not dagerous in novel ways, that's just pure bullshit. It's safer than any other kind of power platform for vehicles. Of course he best way forward would be to phase out personal vehicles altogether.

thats the thing we can't just swap the fleet to either EVs or Hydrogen and meet our climate goals we have to reduce miles driven per person.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Trabisnikof posted:

thats the thing we can't just swap the fleet to either EVs or Hydrogen and meet our climate goals we have to reduce miles driven per person.

Yes, of course, as long as owning pointless cars is aspirational and not owning a car is seen as a failure, any reform is fundamentally doomed to fail to produce the results needed. But here the challenge is cultural, not technological. But all things being equal, hydrogen is better than EVs.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

What would be even better is if we could bind the hydrogen to something chemically, to make the energy density way higher. Something that could be stored as a liquid, so it would be easy to pump and transport. Maybe something using carbon, so we could take CO2 out of the air and use it for the fuel. Like some kind of, I don't know, hydrogencarbon. Look I'm just the ideas guy.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Shame Boy posted:

What would be even better is if we could bind the hydrogen to something chemically, to make the energy density way higher. Something that could be stored as a liquid, so it would be easy to pump and transport. Maybe something using carbon, so we could take CO2 out of the air and use it for the fuel. Like some kind of, I don't know, hydrogencarbon. Look I'm just the ideas guy.

This is a really stupid argument that can be used against any source of power other than gas. It's less convenient, less efficient, etc. Woke petroleum industry messaging.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

steinrokkan posted:

This is a really stupid argument that can be used against any source of power other than gas. It's less convenient, less efficient, etc. Woke petroleum industry messaging.

I don't think the petroleum industry makes gas out of CO2 from the air but ok sure.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

steinrokkan posted:

This is a really stupid argument that can be used against any source of power other than gas. It's less convenient, less efficient, etc. Woke petroleum industry messaging.

lol

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Shame Boy posted:

I don't think the petroleum industry makes gas out of CO2 from the air but ok sure.

I'm sorry I thought you were doing the "hydrogen is just hydrocarbons done wrong" thing I've seen before. Isn't hydrocarbon production from atmospheric CO2 still in baby steps and really inefficient, though? Like maybe a supplementary source of fuel at best, I will admit I read the last article on the topic few years ago.

Gods_Butthole
Aug 9, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

T-man posted:

1. hydrogen has to be made, usually from fossil sources. We COULD have enormous sea-based nuclear plants making gigawatts of power and cracking seawater but the nuclear board won't return my calls anymore.
2. hydrogen is dangerous is new and novel ways.
3. Litium batteries are better developed and understood by virtue of being in everything, whereas fuel cells are still mostly in fancy space tech or specialist use.

I think 2 and 3 are valid, but 1 is the exact same issue that EVs face.

jetz0r
May 10, 2003

Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination, but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing.



Gods_Butthole posted:

Anyone know why traditional battery EVs became more popular than hydrogen fuel cell vehicles? It seems like they don't suffer from the same charge time problems as EVs and would nominally be just as clean (i.e. depending on the electrical source for hydrolysis), maybe even cleaner if you're not mining as much lithium. Is there a safety issue with transporting large amounts of hydrogen to fuel centers?

In addition to all the other points, there's the infrastructure problem. There's a fuckton of gas stations across the country, and there's a huge power distribution grid. There's all the other nodes that allow gas stations to operate, transportation, storage, refining, etc. Hydrogen has none of that, and none of the existing infrastructure is compatible in the way that installing an EV charging station is compatible with the electric grid.

The major auto manufactures have had hydrogen vehicles on display at the auto show here for a few years. The fill station map shows about 3 stations in northern California. You'd have to build a huge infrastructure network for a power source that's worse than it's two main competitors.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

indigi posted:

yeah let's dump more heat into the ocean

This but unironically.

Direct heating of the ocean by powerplant heat exchangers is nothing compared to the multiplicative effect that greenhouses gases have on the all-natural radiation coming from everyone’s favourite fusion reactor, the Sun.

Every square kilometre of Earth’s surface effectively has two megawatts of heating applied perpetually thanks to industrial greenhouse gases.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

steinrokkan posted:

I'm sorry I thought you were doing the "hydrogen is just hydrocarbons done wrong" thing I've seen before. Isn't hydrocarbon production from atmospheric CO2 still in baby steps and really inefficient, though? Like maybe a supplementary source of fuel at best, I will admit I read the last article on the topic few years ago.

Depends on how you make it but yeah it still sucks. It's about as industrially developed as, well, non-fossil-fuel based hydrogen :v:

And I was poking fun at hydrogen a bit too but like "hydrogen is stupid just use oil" is obvious bullshit, yeah.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Steam reformation of methane is stupid. Just use methane.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Platystemon posted:

This but unironically.

Direct heating of the ocean by powerplant heat exchangers is nothing compared to the multiplicative effect that greenhouses gases have on the all-natural radiation coming from everyone’s favourite fusion reactor, the Sun.

Every square kilometre of Earth’s surface effectively has two megawatts of heating applied perpetually thanks to industrial greenhouse gases.

The nuclear power plant in south Florida has a website where they make a big deal of how all the heat they dump into the fragile ecosystem is actually Very Good for the local wildlife, here look at this adorable baby endangered crocodile, they live in the coolant water discharge sluice system because they like the warmth, do you want him to die huh? huh??

Also the coal plant here in Tampa has a friendly manatee viewing platform with a fun cartoon manatee right next to the coal ash slurry pond, cuz the manatees like to hang out by the coolant water discharge. Please do not look at the massive toxic coal ash slurry pond, look only at the adorable manatees. Thank you.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

Platystemon posted:

Steam reformation of methane is stupid. Just use methane.

Finally, a way to monetise my voluminous farts

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T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

The real solution is communism

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