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This could all have been brought to a head decades ago if Spain had got their way and the FIFA World Cup only allowed teams attached to real countries. e: 221 years ago in October 1799, the Royal Navy captured a Spanish treasure convoy worth more than £600,000 off of Vigo.
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Wish we had nice weather and Börek.
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keep punching joe posted:Wish we had nice weather and Börek. Same, the weather is good but needs to be less rainy.
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Oct 14, 2020 13:56
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Communist Thoughts posted:All the tories need to do to hold the union together is not allow a 2nd ref. Yup. Support for independence can poll as high as it wants, the Tories are still the ones who get to decide if we get a ref or not. And they might be loving spectacularly incompetent, but even they know they hold the power there.
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Oct 14, 2020 13:58
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Lungboy posted:Yes, if done properly and it's what's required. What's the alternative, taking it on the chin as Boris suggested? Yes, restricting travel and test/trace/isolate are what's required right now. No, it's not a long term solution. You can't have fully closed borders forever. I think you're confused about what I'm saying. The only "long term" outcome to this pandemic is when enough immunity exists to prevent exponential spread, either because everyone has had it or because of vaccination. Until then all our measures are just delay tactics. But the point I was trying to make is that delay tactics are what we need. In that regard a lockdown is absolutely necessary even if on it's own it only buys us a few months. Gyro Zeppeli posted:Yup. Support for independence can poll as high as it wants, the Tories are still the ones who get to decide if we get a ref or not. And they might be loving spectacularly incompetent, but even they know they hold the power there. High support for independence actually helps the Tories. They aren't going to grant another referendum, but they can point to Labour and say "if those guys got in, they'd give Scotland a referendum and that's the end of the UK". The higher the support, the more plausible that argument becomes.
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Oct 14, 2020 14:00
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Masks being worn in shops and elsewhere for the last few weeks, infections going up. e: should probably press refresh more
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Oct 14, 2020 14:03
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Gotta say though I don't get what's in it for the SNP to go independent. Seems like running the country would be a lot harder work than LARPing that you're running the country but still getting paid and going on telly
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Oct 14, 2020 14:04
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Communist Thoughts posted:Gotta say though I don't get what's in it for the SNP to go independent. Those giant no-bid contracts the Tories give to their mates? The SNP get to give those to their mates
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Oct 14, 2020 14:05
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thespaceinvader posted:Amazon is a small business. Nice. I wonder if the train knowers in this thread can answer this question. I was told by a coworker that Britain is the only country which has a barrier either natural or man made around every bit of railroad in the country? That this was done so the poor couldn't throw things at the rich as they passed by on the train. I've been trying to think of places that have no barrier but can't think of one (apart from platforms I suppose).
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Oct 14, 2020 14:11
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i'm anticipating i will have settled in a pretty true blue forever tory area by 2024, so i'm curious what this means for my vote. like, does it even matter? it's weird to contemplate not voting but what's the point you know?
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Oct 14, 2020 14:15
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jabby posted:Yes, restricting travel and test/trace/isolate are what's required right now. No, it's not a long term solution. You can't have fully closed borders forever. Isn’t test/trace/isolate a long term solution if it’s actually done well? I thought that was what was done for SARS?
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Oct 14, 2020 14:16
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Boris will grant a referendum because independence means 50+ less non-Tory MPs in Westminster. The Tories won 6 out of 59 seats so getting rid of Scotland would increase their majority massively.
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Oct 14, 2020 14:21
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bessantj posted:Nice. They probably did it to stop people and animals running around on tracks, at least in more densely populated areas.
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Oct 14, 2020 14:26
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Guavanaut posted:This could all have been brought to a head decades ago if Spain had got their way and the FIFA World Cup only allowed teams attached to real countries. The FAW is older than loads of "real" European "countries" so Spain can do one until they free Catalonia or whatever they have going on.
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Oct 14, 2020 14:28
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bessantj posted:Nice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZSepvN4z4A
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I worry that a Starmer victory would be worse in the long run than another Tory one. Every single centrist could then say 'see, sensible haircut boy with no opinions won' and plausibly discredit the left for a long time to come. The question of Scottish independence could legally be kicked into the long grass no matter popular support, but if Holyrood went full UDI it would put Westminster in a very difficult position. Would they be willing to do what the Spaniards did to Catalonia, or perhaps worse? Would Holyrood be able to marshal enough power to prevent that? Do the Scottish police/forces based in Scotland enforce the British law or (independent) Scottish law? Could the Tories deal with genuine civil unrest once support for indy reaches 75%+ as demographic trends suggest it will over the coming decades. I'm not at all saying that this will end in Ireland level conflict because I don't think that's what anyone wants, but there is a lot more to consider when we talk about power than the technically 'legal' argument. Communist Thoughts posted:Gotta say though I don't get what's in it for the SNP to go independent. Maybe some of them actually believe in something
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bessantj posted:Nice. Weymouth harbour is the most obvious one, but that's been closed for over 20 years now. Tracks are still in situ though. Anything else currently around, e.g. Porthmadog, could probably be seen as an extended level crossing.
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Oct 14, 2020 14:31
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The new angle is "well, we all die eventually": https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/1316282095279407106
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Oct 14, 2020 14:35
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I mean, that logic can apply to literally all medical treatment and also eating, drinking and breathing. So sure.
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Oct 14, 2020 14:37
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Random question because I'm sure someone will know. For bathroom extractor fans where the noisy bit is in the roof rather than the vent (or any HVAC really) you can get axial fans like  where air goes in, air comes out, easy enough, and you can get inline centrifugal fans like  where the air is flung out at right angles, and then marshaled around so that the duct can be inline, which seems inefficient to me, but I'm looking for a centrifugal fan like every other centrifugal blower type, like  although that's obviously complete overkill for a bathroom (make your own poo poo poo poo jokes), because I need to turn 90 degrees in very limited space and it seems like having a fan that normally does that anyway would be ideal. Why are all the centrifugal bathroom fans inline when that seems far worse? Why can I not get an ordinary 150mm ducted blower that isn't 415V 1.5kW and designed for an oil rig? You can get external units that do exactly that  but they're about 300 quid and not what I actually need.
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Oct 14, 2020 14:42
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while my experience on European trains isn't all that extensive, having some sort of fence alongside the track seems to be the norm pretty much everywhere I've been, so I'm calling bullshit on the "only in the UK" part the "to stop the poors throwing things" bit is so obviously laughable I'm not even going to bother
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Oct 14, 2020 14:45
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Clarence posted:Weymouth harbour is the most obvious one, but that's been closed for over 20 years now. Tracks are still in situ though. Anything else currently around, e.g. Porthmadog, could probably be seen as an extended level crossing. As the title of the linked video says, the line into Weymouth harbour was classified as a tramway since it ran on public highways without fencing. As such it had to comply with the BoT rules for tramways - either the locomotive had to have skirts covering the wheels and engine rods, cowcatchers at each end, lamps and warning bells (like an American train, basically) or (as in the case of Weymouth) ordinary equipment could be used but had to proceed at no more than 5mph (and technically follow all other rules of the road such as traffic lights, Give Way signs and pedestrian crossings!) and be accompanies by staff on the ground with red flags to clear the way and protect any traffic approaching the train. The 'proper' railway was legally required to be fully fenced - with only a few exceptions in very remote bits of Scotland and Wales - virtually from Day 1. Partly it was to stop animals and livestock wandering onto the line and having a messy end to their existence, and partly on the part of the railway companies to protect their property and reduce their liability for any injuries caused to people unfamiliar with these new-fangles Iron Horses. It's also why, until the 1990s, British trains didn't have headlamps like trains in America and virtually every other country - they only had dim marker lamps to (just about) indicate the presence of a train to other people (think the difference between a car's sidelights and the proper headlamps) because with a fully-fenced right of way protected by manned signal boxes at regular intervals (something not feasible in large parts of North America and elsewhere) they didn't need to see where they were going.
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sassassin posted:The FAW is older than loads of "real" European "countries" so Spain can do one until they free Catalonia or whatever they have going on.
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Oct 14, 2020 14:58
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Turns out I'm pos, sick. Lots of love to government, especially if my overweight elderly at-risk parents got it from me. Feeling great lads. vvvv okay could always be worse, condolences and everything Private Speech fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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Oct 14, 2020 15:03
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They've given my friend two weeks, maybe. Christ I don't know what to do.
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Oct 14, 2020 15:07
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Dad’s funeral tomorrow after he unexpectedly passed a couple of weeks ago. We’re tier 2. We’ve been trying to plan how everything after the funeral will go with absolutely gently caress all luck. We literally can’t predict anything, and we also can’t work out how to turn a 30 person funeral into a 15 person wake in a bar that also allows separate households to sit together but not as part of the wake party. gently caress knows. gently caress this poo poo, gently caress this year.
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Oct 14, 2020 15:08
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Did any regular ITT have it yet or am I the first?
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Oct 14, 2020 15:12
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Jabby had it during the first wave, from working at a hospital.
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Private Speech posted:Did any regular ITT have it yet or am I the first? Jabby had it really early on, iirc. Jakabite posted:Dad’s funeral tomorrow after he unexpectedly passed a couple of weeks ago. We’re tier 2. We’ve been trying to plan how everything after the funeral will go with absolutely gently caress all luck. We literally can’t predict anything, and we also can’t work out how to turn a 30 person funeral into a 15 person wake in a bar that also allows separate households to sit together but not as part of the wake party. gently caress knows. gently caress this poo poo, gently caress this year. OwlFancier posted:They've given my friend two weeks, maybe. Condolences to you both. I'm bad at this but I am genuinely thinking of you and hoping for the best.
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Private Speech posted:Did any regular ITT have it yet or am I the first? I had it March, if you want to count me as a regular, but managed to stay out of hospital and felt OK come summer. Funnily enough, I went out in town the other week and got caught in the rain and I've felt out of breath since. I don't think it's Covid this time round, but clearly my lungs aren't as healed as I thought they were  Edit: Condolences to anyone who's got ill, hope you do well.
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jabby posted:
Yes, sorry, thought you were saying these measures were pointless because they won't work long term. On Scottish Independence, they still have a legal route open to them, to go to court and claim that Scotland is still a nation in its own right and therefore can hold a referendum if it wants to. To oppose that, the UK government would have to argue that the act of Union essentially ended Scotland, and by extension Wales and England, being nations. That would be amusing.
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elbkaida posted:They probably did it to stop people and animals running around on tracks, at least in more densely populated areas. Maybe. You reminded me of working up Whitton Junction, where the tracks split there's a bit of a hill where a fox lives, I could always tell when a shift was nearly over because he'd come out and have a look at what we were doing. Clarence posted:Weymouth harbour is the most obvious one, but that's been closed for over 20 years now. Tracks are still in situ though. Anything else currently around, e.g. Porthmadog, could probably be seen as an extended level crossing. That's more of a tram than a train, I think he meant train tracks that wouldn't mostly be in the road. BalloonFish posted:As the title of the linked video says, the line into Weymouth harbour was classified as a tramway since it ran on public highways without fencing. As such it had to comply with the BoT rules for tramways - either the locomotive had to have skirts covering the wheels and engine rods, cowcatchers at each end, lamps and warning bells (like an American train, basically) or (as in the case of Weymouth) ordinary equipment could be used but had to proceed at no more than 5mph (and technically follow all other rules of the road such as traffic lights, Give Way signs and pedestrian crossings!) and be accompanies by staff on the ground with red flags to clear the way and protect any traffic approaching the train. That makes more sense.
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Jedit posted:Not really. It's only not a betrayal now because Labour betrayed the working class first. Labour betrayed the working class loving decades ago mate, this isn't sudden. Communist Thoughts posted:Gotta say though I don't get what's in it for the SNP to go independent. It's a party full of true believers. Guavanaut posted:This could all have been brought to a head decades ago if Spain had got their way and the FIFA World Cup only allowed teams attached to real countries. Wish that happened, would've saved a lot of misery not having a national team.
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elbkaida posted:They probably did it to stop people and animals running around on tracks, at least in more densely populated areas. Back when I was still a rail person (15-20 years ago), if a fatality happened (and the knock on cost of literally £00000s switching hands between train operators / network rail), if it could be shown the person got on to the track via a platform (or other 'legitimate' means), the TOC would have to pay, but if through a broken or non-existent fence etc then NR would have to pay. We used to joke that if there was a fatality reps from NR and TOC would race to the scene and if TOC personnel got there first, check pockets for a ticket - proof TOC responsibility - and remove it (to shift blame to NR) and if NR got there first, check pockets for a ticket and if NOT found, put one in pocket to shift blame to TOC. Of course, this is mere 'urban myth' and probably never happened. Animals on the line also cause £00000s. Suicides on the railways cause huge sums of money to be lost from the system. In Japan, the families of suicides on the rail are sent the bill. Imagine the outcry if that happened here! (hidden because some might find this info upsetting.) Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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Oct 14, 2020 15:46
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These days, just for saying you're English etc. https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/status/1316382625750282240
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keep punching joe posted:These days, just for saying you're English etc. How will they know? Will people have to carry ID cards identifying their addresses?
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For those who were getting the notifications on the NHS app that lead nowhere they've fixed it now and it actually tells you not to worry I stopped counting after my 10th one of those but just got one a minute ago
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:How will they know? Will people have to carry ID cards identifying their addresses? Driving licence has home address on it so I guess they'll just ask for that.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:How will they know? Will people have to carry ID cards identifying their addresses?
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