Sarsapariller posted:

Tugging: It is for masturbation

downout posted:

Ya, all I can find is a one ~$300 jpg and the rest are 150 or less. There's a single ~1100 dollar explorer folder of jpgs.

Sarsapariller posted:

No. They have lots of ships with those stations blocked out in the art assets, and lots of ships that basically can't function without people sitting in the turrets. It is possible for someone to sit at a second station and gently caress with your power settings, though I have never seen anyone bother because it's not obvious that moving power around does anything. In 8 years they have not even partially implemented a single part of the multi-crew experience. What's there is mostly incidental.

It's totally baffling that Citizens find this acceptable.

Sarsapariller posted:

I can answer that!

Interdiction: There is nothing to interdict in the game
Racing: There are no races in the game
Pathfinder: There is nothing to scout or otherwise mark in the game
Scout: Nope, still nothing
Recon: It is a ground vehicle for scouting and there is no scouting no matter how many ways you write it
Passenger: There are no passengers in the game
Exploration: There is nothing to discover in the game
Medium Data: There is no data to transport in the game
Light Science: There is no science mechanic in the game
Dropship: There is nothing to ship or drop in the game
Support-Medical: You have a bed in your ship and people can respawn at it. That's it- seriously.
Reporting: There is no reporting in the game
Search & Rescue: There is no searching and no rescuing in the game
Salvage: There is no salvage in the game
Medium Repair/Refuel: There is no repairing or refueling in the game.
Heavy Refueling: There is no heavy refueling in the game
Heavy Repair: Guess what
Heavy Science: You bought a space telescope and farm, congrats
Mining: You can mine with this ship and ONLY with this ship. It costs 150 dollars to start.
Heavy Construction: There is no construction in the game
Transport: You can carry boxes
Heavy Lifting: It is a Transport
Heavy Military Lifting: It is a Transport but Green
Cargo: You can carry boxes on the ground
Light Freight: You can carry boxes in space
Medium Freight: Best loving ship in the game, by which I mean you can carry boxes
Heavy Freight: You can carry a lot of boxes
Blockade Runner: There are no blockades in the game. You can carry some boxes, instead.
Touring: You can carry boxes but it looks like a yacht and costs 1,000 dollars
Combat: It is a ground vehicle with a gun in a game that spreads 50 players across 20 planets and 50 billion miles of space. The gun has a range of 20 meters.
Heavy Tank: It is a ground vehicle with a gun etc etc but this time it's very slow
Anti-Air: It is a ground vehicle and this time the gun is designed to shoot at space ships but you won't see any space ships.
Tugging: It is for masturbation
Snub Fighter: It is the shittiest fighter and cannot fly farther than the spawn point
Light Fighter: It is a lovely fighter and costs the least
Medium Fighter: It is a so-so fighter that punches at exactly its weight and no higher and coincidentally costs 100 dollars or more
Stealth Fighter: There is no stealth in this game
Gunship: Now you're in the 175 dollar range. Punches above its weight.
Heavy Fighter: Ah, I see you have finally paid to win. Congratulations.
Heavy Gunship: Okay there's such a thing as paying too much to win. You crossed the line around 500 dollars ago.
Electronic Warfare: Doesn't do anything
Minelayer: Doesn't do anything
Corvette: Isn't even in the game
Frigate: Like a Corvette, but even more not-in-the-game
Multi-role Light Carrier: The most not-in-the-game you can ever be
Destroyer: More not-in-the-game than the Carrier, somehow
Light Bomber: It costs 165 dollars and they haven't updated it in about 5 years, it does nothing
Heavy Bomber: There is nothing to bomb in this game. It can fire missiles at ships. The missiles do not work.
Starter: It is poo poo.

The Titanic posted:

Always curious about the ambition bit.

It feels like we're mixing the concept of ambition with the concept of not understanding modern technology. Like we have Elite and we've had that Star Wars and Star Trek MMO that allowed people to play in ships and on foot, they just did it in a technologically feasible way to actually deliver a product to people.

If CR actually wanted to deliver what he wanted to deliver (a functional MMO set in space), he'd have needed to do it from ground up in this manner.

Like the big elephant in the room is Star Citizen is just an arena shooter without an MMO framework, already maxed with around 50 players. They may or may not squeeze more in there, but I don't see this number reaching 100 for example, like an average Fortnight game even.

Ultimately we learned that server meshing is not the CR version of shooting between servers, it's just moving players to other servers that also probably have 50 players caps. People will phase in and out around you. That's fine I guess.

But at that scale, you'll never have fleet battles. You'll never even get to fully populate some big capital ship. The "vision" is not matching what's being built, and the technological direction is absent, filled instead with "no cheating" that ends up being cheating anyway when nobody is looking, but not quickly enough and with no organization.

So is it really ambition, or is it more or less a failure of understanding how to actually achieve a realistic goal? 8-9 years in seems to indicate the latter. But if people want to fund it, more power to them.

The Titanic posted:

Ray trace searches to find who used an item is not a good use at all for ray tracing and makes no sense.

You have event triggers for immediate use, and in MMOs I imagine you have some sort of a queue event logged with a time of use so the server can return with what would have happened after that time period.

But you're not going to "search" for used items. You'll always know when somebody uses an item.

Sorry if I'm wrong or if I'm not talking about the right stuff.

Ray tracing is a rendering technique, primarily for light bounces. It can help light a scene through a single window that has light because that light isn't just a single light ray, but whatever surface the light hits also emits light so it can make a darker room be lit more.

This effect is kind of "faked" with stuff like post process auto exposure or eye adaptation filters where a dark room will "get lighter" and when you go outside things "go back to normal after you are blinded for a second or so" for example.

So a ray trace is tracing the "line" as some ray bounces off of surfaces. There's no point in using this technique to "search" for users using items.

MilesK posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=165H_5jgE5g

I'm no programmer or game developer, but I rewatched this video and still believe he works on the SC physics code. Sure he only fixes the collision for a single item in a single spaceship while the Bugsmashers guy is figuring out why that item launches you into space.. but surely after 5 years he's come up with fixes for every error in the item/physics grid/skeletal code and falling through geometry is no longer a problem. If anyone more knowledgeable is reading this, is Chris' rambling "The next stage is ray tracing searches to detect the use of items fluidly and systematically" a real thing? I assume he's still talking about collisions. He starts laughing his rear end off as he goes into the limitless possibilities it can bring before quickly wrapping up the video.

L. Ron Hoover posted:

so what the gently caress have the whales been buying everyday? currency? the rest of the ships? nothing because the funding tracker is faked?

Inacio posted:

https://clips.twitch.tv/GlamorousJollyClintmullinsArsonNoSexy

Beet Wagon posted:

Nobody should underestimate the reach and power of the Rusisan mob that runs /r/starcitizen_refunds

Quavers posted:

A few minutes later....

https://clips.twitch.tv/FurryAbstruseAnteaterGrammarKing

Quavers posted:

A few minutes later....

https://clips.twitch.tv/FurryAbstruseAnteaterGrammarKing

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CIG is essentially a startup studio; so there were, and still are, all kinds of growing pains that you won't necessarily see in a 8 year Rockstar/Bethesda effort. These elder studios already have existing pipelines, software, management, etc. in place, and they usually are already self funded so there's no need to divert resources 'answering to the public'.

As a whole it's a project with many, many moving parts, some operating more effectively than others, some needing more grease than others. Imagine where CIG will be once they finish SQ42 and can focus their work on another chapter without all the previous 'growing pains' to worry about.

There's certainly reason to hold them accountable. They really have made some avoidable mistakes, but that's easy for me to say. I haven't ever launched a crowd funded project that took in 100x's the amount of money I asked for with everyone screaming "BUILD YOUR DREAMS BRO"

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Well with Star Citizen there isn't anything faked.

Let's use Star Wars Squadrons as an example.

When you return to you capital ship in Squadrons, you enter a cutscene and a new level is loaded, which consists of two rooms with clicky interactions.

In SQ42, your mother ship is an actual ship entity in the game, and you will land in it. It's a fully realized game asset, so you can look out windows and see the game world as it really is.

All of the tech for SC/SQ42 was built ground up. When CIG first got a hold of CryeEngine back when it was meant for first person shooters in small 2x2km maps.

Because everything they want to do in Star Citizen will also be done in Squadron 42, they can't cut corners on anything. They can't have set pieces separated by cutscene. Docking and launching fighters is real in the game world and the devs had to learn to make objects with their own physics interact in a real way.

Games like Space Engineers get around this by not allowing different physics objects from interacting; if you want to land or dock you will be fusing physics grids.

Basically, there's a retarded number of things happening in the engine that other games aren't doing.

When you see aircraft flying around in Cyberpunk next month, remember those are scripted set pieces. In Star Citizen when a ship flies over you, that's a real game object with a flight control calculating exact thrust numbers and countering inertia and gravity. Its emitting a heat signature, and an electronic noise signature, and its cross section can actually bounce back signals.

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The concepts of Star Citizen and Squadron 42 are not new. We all have watched sci-fi shows, and we all have played games where these universes are realized.

The difference is just how they are realized.

Like in the early days of SQ42 development, they showcased some spider style mech meant for mining asteroids. This was supposed to be something to just make the environment more interesting for players to fly around.

Instead of just leaving it at that, these miners are completely modeled and have functioning cockpits and systems just in case those things ever became usable in the PU. The expectation of the devs is that everything being made for SQ42 gameplay will also be something players can use in the PU.

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Another example is ships thrusters.
Ships in Star Citizen (and SQ42) have directional thrusters that output forces which cause the ship to move. In many games, your control inputs would cause the ship to move, and animations will play to correspond. In Star Citizen your control inputs cause thrusters to fire which cause the ship to move.

This has direct impacts on how different ships feel in the universe, how they perform in atmosphere vs space, and even better, how damage affects ships. Each individual thruster on a ship is a separate game entity with it's own states and they can individually be damaged, causing them to fail, which directly changes how a ship handles.

Dwesa posted:

Scott Manley received death threats after he made video criticizing Star Citizen. I can understand why OA doesn't want to irritate toxic cultists.

Sarsapariller posted:

Racing: There are no races in the game

Sarsapariller posted:

CIG art team apparently don't know how rank insignia work. Someone's going to have to inform the Citizens strutting around in the new outfits that they are all enlisted men, not commissioned.



Yes Sir, Chief Petty Officer!

...

Wait a loving minute.

They literally googled "Master Chief Rank Insignia" and used the first thing that came up didn't they

Holy poo poo, hahahaha

trucutru posted:

Homelander has seen better days,

Sarsapariller posted:

CIG art team apparently don't know how rank insignia work. Someone's going to have to inform the Citizens strutting around in the new outfits that they are all enlisted men, not commissioned.

MedicineHut posted:

Nah, OA does the loving same with any game he covers. Pathological fear to confrontation and that his own opinions may be lacking and open to criticism.

The Titanic posted:

Imagine your "FU'D RO DAH!!!" In Skyrim on a table (everybody does this ) except it crashes the server and CIG need to go in to manually edit database rows until the server can come online again.

MilesK posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=165H_5jgE5g

I'm no programmer or game developer, but I rewatched this video and still believe he works on the SC physics code. Sure he only fixes the collision for a single item in a single spaceship while the Bugsmashers guy is figuring out why that item launches you into space.. but surely after 5 years he's come up with fixes for every error in the item/physics grid/skeletal code and falling through geometry is no longer a problem. If anyone more knowledgeable is reading this, is Chris' rambling "The next stage is ray tracing searches to detect the use of items fluidly and systematically" a real thing? I assume he's still talking about collisions. He starts laughing his rear end off as he goes into the limitless possibilities it can bring before quickly wrapping up the video.

Hammerstein posted:

Wow, their character models aren't aging well.

Meridian posted:

Don't know about you guys, but I am excited about the best drat space sim ever.

Meridian posted:

Don't know about you guys, but I am excited about the best drat space sim ever.

Dwesa posted:

Scott Manley received death threats after he made video criticizing Star Citizen. I can understand why OA doesn't want to irritate toxic cultists.

Kosumo posted:

I'm more than excited .... I'm tane rubbing.

Sarsapariller posted:

CIG art team apparently don't know how rank insignia work. Someone's going to have to inform the Citizens strutting around in the new outfits that they are all enlisted men, not commissioned.



Yes Sir, Chief Petty Officer!

...

Wait a loving minute.

They literally googled "Master Chief Rank Insignia" and used the first thing that came up didn't they

Holy poo poo, hahahaha

Scruffpuff posted:

The Internet was a mistake. In bygone days, village idiots were isolated in their respective villages, and the relative normalcy of their neighbors kept them in check. Today, the village idiots are one giant network of millions of village idiots, who can now mobilize as a united front, the result of which is that we're all pretty much hosed.

trucutru posted:

I don't think it's fear of confrontation, but a deliberate business choice. Why antagonize people if what they are looking for is to hear that the game they are interested in is good?

Inacio posted:

yesterday i joined the mask farming discord and when someone fell through the world i jokingly said "it's just an alpha man its only been in development for 8 years"
this one guy got so tilted he muted me right away (announcing it, naturally) lol

Sarsapariller posted:

*snip*

The Titanic posted:

The ice cream and "leave me the gently caress alone" buttons need more than just a tier 0 experience.

Nowher posted:

Montoya is such an unlikable rear end in a top hat.

Zazz Razzamatazz posted:

Dynastocles posted:

Jobs, Wozniak, and that other guy developed, built, and sold their brand-new computers within 4 years of starting. And they started, literally, from scratch.

Inacio posted:

the concept of a computer already existed. Chris has had to literally conceive every single aspect of star citizen because none of it (nothing) has ever been thought of before, much less done