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Oct 15, 2020 15:58
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Edge & Christian posted:Well heck, I'll bit if no one else will. The main Klan villain echoes a lot of sentiment Lindeloff has also expressed in interviews. Knowing Lindeloff is a man who thinks that Congress should always be 50/50 liberal/conservative so everyone is represented makes the guys whole speech about how he just wants white men to have a voice again at the end really loving skeezy and uncomfortable to watch.
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Rhyno posted:https://darkknightnews.com/2020/10/...IIB6RMKBFkgoSXU Eh, for a 2 month "event" it's fine I'm interested in checking it out. But good lord, thinking about the pieces of this that were supposed to be part of the legitimate new 5G status quo is a whole other thing. I would not want to read 6+ months of this.
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Oct 15, 2020 16:27
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quote:Back in Metropolis, Clark’s son Jon has taken on the mantle of Superman. After seeing the horrors that befell Gotham, he bottles Metropolis in order to keep it safe, putting him at odds with Supergirl. I don't know who's coffee Jon poo poo in but man DC has just pretty much destroyed any interest I have in him these days with one dumbass decision after another.
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Oct 15, 2020 16:42
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Remember back when we just got good stories in a reasonable world for months at a time?
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Beerdeer posted:Remember back when we just got good stories in a reasonable world for months at a time? Not from DC, no.
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X-O posted:I don't know who's coffee Jon poo poo in but man DC has just pretty much destroyed any interest I have in him these days with one dumbass decision after another. You know what it feels like? When Geoff Johns pushes out a legacy character to bring back the REAL DEAL. Maybe Bendis is a huge Kon-El fan.
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Cael posted:Eh, for a 2 month "event" it's fine I'm interested in checking it out. But good lord, thinking about the pieces of this that were supposed to be part of the legitimate new 5G status quo is a whole other thing. I would not want to read 6+ months of this. to be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if some things in that were just "gently caress it, 5G is dead and this isn't in continuity anymore, we can do whatever we want now"
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Oct 15, 2020 16:52
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Vince MechMahon posted:The main Klan villain echoes a lot of sentiment Lindeloff has also expressed in interviews. Knowing Lindeloff is a man who thinks that Congress should always be 50/50 liberal/conservative so everyone is represented makes the guys whole speech about how he just wants white men to have a voice again at the end really loving skeezy and uncomfortable to watch. Considering what happens to that guy immediately after his big supervillain monologue, this seems like a stretch. As for Rorschach, I remember seeing that while it doesn’t explicitly reference the show (I think that vague reference to Oklahoma is about as direct as it’ll get), King did make sure not to contradict the series. Anyway more cool designs give me all the designs
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Oct 15, 2020 17:06
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hup posted:Considering what happens to that guy immediately after his big supervillain monologue, this seems like a stretch. Lindeloff is a right leaning centrist, at best. I don't think he's an actual nazi in real life, but he's definitely the kind of guy who thinks free speech applies to them, and that if they play by the rules they deserve representation. Yeah the character dies, but he's never refuted. The obvious answer of "no Nazis don't get a voice" isn't given, he's instead punished for his slights against doctor Manhattan. So yeah, he dies, but it's not because of being a nazi, it's because of his reach exceeding his grasp. A nice way of getting to have that character there as a mouthpiece, and then still act like he was given his comeuppance when he was not, at least not for the part Damon agrees on. He's also a bad writer though so maybe I'm wrong and it wasn't intentional and he's only an idiot and terrible person outside of the show. E: He also had it so the super violent nazi hero was actually a black guy who was also a nazi sympathizer. Which is cool and good and not weird and problematic at all in any way. Vince MechMahon fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Oct 15, 2020 |
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Vince MechMahon posted:The main Klan villain echoes a lot of sentiment Lindeloff has also expressed in interviews. Knowing Lindeloff is a man who thinks that Congress should always be 50/50 liberal/conservative so everyone is represented makes the guys whole speech about how he just wants white men to have a voice again at the end really loving skeezy and uncomfortable to watch.
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Oct 15, 2020 17:34
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Edge & Christian posted:I was not aware that Lindelof said anything about Congress (or white power) to that effect, and Google isn't turning up much of anything. I am curious how you make the leap from that to "his self-insert is the racist Klan mastermind who gets immediately murdered after giving his supervillain speech", but that's a lens to view the series through, certainly. He never said anything about white power, sorry if my original post was confusing. The article was posted here on the forums but I of course can't find it now. Was an interview around the beginning of the series where he said the Congress thing. He's a lovely centrist who should not be telling stories like the one he tried and failed to tell in Watchmen where he acts like he's not, though.
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Vince MechMahon posted:E: He also had it so the super violent nazi hero was actually a black guy who was also a nazi sympathizer. Which is cool and good and not weird and problematic at all in any way. wait he wasn't a nazi sympathizer what show were you watching
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Vince MechMahon posted:The article was posted here on the forums but I of course can't find it now. quote:In the world of the show, a lot of the racial politics emanate from the fact that Robert Redford, a well-intentioned liberal, has been president of the United States for decades. You don’t say he’s created a dystopian nightmare, but you certainly don’t say we all lived happily ever after.
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Arguing that lindelof sees himself as a klansman certainly is a take
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There's nuance in any political conversation and saying "a guy having dumb opinions about 'reaching across the aisle'" equates with "having some intentional equivalence with a KKK member" is wild, and feels like just using ethical opprobrium as a short-cut to critique and evaluation. It reminds me of a person from a different subforum who said that the only people who insist on a meaningful distinction between the KKK and the Third Reich are nazis and KKK members which struck me as a take from the planet Neptune it was so out of this world inscrutable to me. I think in analyzing media precision and deliberation are always going to be more compelling than moral outrage because if a text is truly morally abhorrent then a precise and deliberate reading will turn that up anyway. There are numerous thoughtful and scathing critiques of the politics of the Watchmen show. But just going "well, the show-runner is probably this because he might be that because I think he said this other thing" is thin soup at a cold table.
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site posted:Arguing that lindelof sees himself as a klansman certainly is a take lovely centrism aside, I don’t see how one can go from “the series doesn’t refute the senator enough” to “Lindelof’s self insert is a klansman”
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 Lindelof has the incoherent political opinions of the average American with a strong leaning towards "civility" and "reason," but he absolutely views the white supremacist who gets vaporized while wearing a speedo as a "fundamentally ridiculous" figure.
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Blockhouse posted:wait he wasn't a nazi sympathizer what show were you watching Have you read Watchmen? Hooded Justice is a literal nazi, and they included the WW2 scene where he gets the leaflets from the Nazis so that isn't a continuity error with him no longer being an Eastern European white guy.
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Oct 15, 2020 19:42
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Andrew_Jackson5 posted:
Again, I think it's less intention, and more that he's an idiot who doesn't know what he believes and accidentally had the Nazi say a bunch of poo poo he really believes and then glossed over it because he probably didn't even realize he was doing it. Cause he's a real dumb guy and not a good writer.
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Was totally wrong on who I was thinking of, ignore this post.
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Oct 15, 2020 20:08
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Jiro posted:I could see Lindelof stumbling his way narratively through that scene. I mean he did it through the entire season of Picard being fundamentally ignorant of what Star Trek is, in its original timeline post TNG, and character motivations and themes. And for a guy that believes the American Legislative body should be 50/50 and still thinks that anything meaningful would get done is............... definitely something. Damon Lindelof had nothing to do with Picard! I know people don't like the guy but it seems unfair to blame him for the failures of a show he did not make.
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Andrew_Jackson5 posted:Damon Lindelof had nothing to do with Picard! I know people don't like the guy but it seems unfair to blame him for the failures of a show he did not make. You're totally right it was Kurtzman I was thinking of. That's my bad.
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Blockhouse posted:I'm way into some of these designs. not thrilled reading the synopses but i like most of these new designs a lot. something very fun and light about them
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Parallax posted:not thrilled reading the synopses but i like most of these new designs a lot. something very fun and light about them a young stephanie brown watching naruto AMVs and taking mental notes about kakashi just in case she ever loses an eye
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Vince MechMahon posted:Have you read Watchmen? Hooded Justice is a literal nazi, and they included the WW2 scene where he gets the leaflets from the Nazis so that isn't a continuity error with him no longer being an Eastern European white guy. That scene was actually set in WW1 and was an actual propaganda letter that Germany targeted at black people. http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/6655/
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Blockhouse posted:I'm way into some of these designs. Still bummed they don't actually get to call themselves Batgirl, though.
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Barry Convex posted:This vaguely reminds me of how JLA/Avengers #3 was originally going to depict alternate versions of the Marvel and DC universes that were "what if DC characters had been created by Silver Age Marvel" and vice versa. I think Batman was going to be a blind teenager who was clearly an analogue for Spider-Man and Daredevil. is there a source on this because that sounds great
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Raserys posted:is there a source on this because that sounds great It gets brought up in the supplementary book of JLA/Avengers. You know, the fancy hardcover version.
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Barry Convex posted:This vaguely reminds me of how JLA/Avengers #3 was originally going to depict alternate versions of the Marvel and DC universes that were "what if DC characters had been created by Silver Age Marvel" and vice versa. I think Batman was going to be a blind teenager who was clearly an analogue for Spider-Man and Daredevil. Kurt Busiek posted:Originally, in #3, the plan was for the second act to involve the JLA and Avengers characters on very different worlds, and in very different versions of themselves — essentially, we'd see a classic Marvel take on the DC heroes, full of violent emotion, and a classic DC take on the Marvel heroes, rife with fictional cities, Schwartzian SF ideas and more. And we had a fine time cooking up different versions of the characters to fit the bill. Kurt Busiek posted:As they return to their homes, we see several of them in transformed contexts – in essence, we see the DC version of Marvel heroes, with Cap operating out of the Pentagon in Capital City, talking with Bucky the Teen Marvel, leader of the Teen Allies; Iron Man, mayor of Electric City; Hawkeye, famous TV-detective, exposing hoaxes weekly; and Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch, teenagers whose alien artifacts give them super-powers. We see the Marvel version of DC heroes - a youngish, tormented Superman, who failed to save his people, plunging them into suspended animation in the Phantom Zone, who seeks a solution to their plight while strenuously battling evil on Earth; a teenaged Batman with actual bat-powers, feared (and hated!) by those he strives to protect; a Martian Manhunter torn between his love for Earth and his loyalty to the invading army he's supposed to be a spy for; crippled cop Joe Carter who uses the sword of Khufu to transform into Hawkman, etc. Not necessarily those, but that sort of thing.
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Edge & Christian posted:From the aforementioned hardcover supplement: Essentially gender swapped heroes
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Oct 15, 2020 23:55
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Yes, the two genders: Marvel and DC
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I remember hearing that the Marvel-ized Flash was a washed up pro athlete who takes an experimental PED and transforms into a nearly mindless creature of pure speed. He wanders the countryside trying to do good while seeking a cure, etc. Would have been a lot of fun to see.
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I see it took about...a month? Less?...for DC to hop back on their anti-Wally programming, despite suggesting that they definitely won't do that anymore probably. Looking forward to Batgirls for sure, though.
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If this is the dregs of Didio's 5g then it's not a surprise that the first thing he did after Heroes In Crisis was make Wally a horrible murderous villain possessed by EVIL that only Barry Allen, The One True Flash, can stop.
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Barry Convex posted:Future State details announced. it's a reworked 5G, alright Clark what are you wearing, good God man
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