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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Yeah I know which is why I can't believe why some of them are charging me such low prices (my wallet doesn't mind obviously!) compared to others when the level of training, investment in van and tools etc is roughly the same. Insurance is probably a thing - a plumber can wreck your entire house, it'd take a lot of work for a carpenter to do that. e: imgur seems to have eaten all my cat pics so have this cheery fellow. 
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Love too nonce kids during the process of an investigation into making sure they're paying enough for school meals. Wait, no, I hate it.
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OwlFancier posted:Also I'm actually looking at the CHIS bill and it appers to make literally all crime legal for: So could you become a spy-cop and kill Boris under (c)?
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Guavanaut posted:Love too nonce kids during the process of an investigation into making sure they're paying enough for school meals. I guess uh, on the plus side The Environment Agency now has a license to kill?(???) Like you can read the bill here but it amends the investigatory powers act and that's a big legislation so I don't know exactly how it works. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0188/200188.pdf WhatEvil posted:So could you become a spy-cop and kill Boris under (c)? I think so?? Like this legislation is loving wild unless there's something in the RIPA that I don't know about but it appears to automatically authorize almost all arms of the government to do anything they want if it's somehow in the interest of the UK? I guess maybe you have to get your boss to sign off on it first but the legislation appears to contain instructions to authorise it for any of those reasons. And what's more it doesn't appear to be specific, like the gambling commission doesn't only get a license for gambling investigations, so loving agent lemming of the BDA can go investigate tax fraud if he wants to? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Oct 15, 2020 |
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Full list of shad cab resignations: https://twitter.com/toryfibs/status/1316782580625297408?s=21 Here's how the other left-leaning shadow ministers chose to get their wallets inspected: https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1316789878336761856?s=21 Starmer's promising Labour will now vote against the Overseas Operations Bill (the one that puts a five-year statute of limitations on war crimes) at the third reading, at least. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Oct 15, 2020 |
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Oct 15, 2020 18:49
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Unkempt posted:a plumber can wreck your entire house, Back in 2009/10, the bad winter one, our heating stopped just before christmas eve. Called the landlord, and he couldn't book the contracted plumber to our house that he had. So he called for a random one from the phonebook. Plumber came along, looked at our boiler, pointed to some box of electronics, and said 'Its that, it needs fixing. But I can not do it here. Ill take it to my base, be back in a few hours'. Never saw him again. Called landlord next day, he got the contracted plumber to come and when we told what happened went 'That bit is about 300 euros, and it was not the problem with your heating'. First one just stole himself a christmas present! Don't know what happened after that, the landlord never said what they did.
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I also don't know what the point of the OOB is when the CHIS authorizes all of the armed forces to do whatever if it's "in the national interest"
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OwlFancier posted:I also don't know what the point of the OOB is when the CHIS authorizes all of the armed forces to do whatever if it's "in the national interest" Overseas operations. It's designed to allow the UK to refuse to cooperate in matters of international law, whereas CHIS only covers UK jurisdictions.
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Mr Phillby posted:Pratchett was writting better stories about wizard schools decades before Harry potter was a thing. you mean the guy who started writing in the early 80s didn't base Unseen University on Hogwarts?!! there are a worrying number of Rowling fans who don't actually realise this, was my point
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I guess but like, it can't make things not a crime for other countries, and the CHIS already appears to make everything not a crime domestically.
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Presumably the Home Office can now simply shoot asylum seekers on sight as - were they to remain in the UK - they would prove to be a drain on scarce financial resources. Also, presumably someone can now shoot the Queen on the same basis.
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Oh and in "lighter" news we found out where boris came from.
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OwlFancier posted:I also don't know what the point of the OOB is when the CHIS authorizes all of the armed forces to do whatever if it's "in the national interest" CHIS says you have to ask permission, OOB says you don't have to even ask forgiveness.
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OwlFancier posted:Also I'm actually looking at the CHIS bill and it appers to make literally all crime legal for: What a funny law. So under c, technically the state could do anything in order to keep the economy afloat? poo poo country.
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jabby posted:I had a nice job at a cinema, easy work, just sell tickets, managers were on the whole friendly. From past experience in managing folks in a similar position you just don't tell corporate anything and if they push it, tell them to gently caress themselves in the nicest possible way.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Also, the issue is that the "working in fields" jobs have incredibly bad working conditions like having to live on site in a filthy caravan where you sleep on the floor with six other people. Some people are probably up for hard work outdoors, but no one's up for that poo poo unless they have absolutely no choice. A while back but yeah it's entirely this. Lots of young people signed up for the work, the thing the farmers are bitching about is a totally unprecedented number of complaints about modern slavery. Living in dirty conditions with no electricity or water (and covid) for what is only a lawful wage if your productivity is well over what is physically possible. The caravans are gross as poo poo, a friend did the work one summer a few years back and they're strewn behind bushes under motorway overpasses all across north kent. The work is not the problem, the fact the farmers expect to treat people like cattle is the problem. You solve the entire issue by getting rid of the horrid bastards. justcola posted:What a funny law. So under c, technically the state could do anything in order to keep the economy afloat? food standards can now rape and kill union members for the purpose of making sure the lunch spreads are all in date. It's a loving indefensible law.
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Josef bugman posted:From past experience in managing folks in a similar position you just don't tell corporate anything and if they push it, tell them to gently caress themselves in the nicest possible way. Our building backed onto corporate, so our managers were universally poo poo-scared of them. We even had a hilariously outdated (and strictly enforced) policy where regular employees called managers by surname, and they called you by first name. And managers called corporate drones by their surname, and got called by first name. Got to enforce that rigid hierarchy somehow!
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its now clear from the numbers that labour can vote against it and the bill will pass comfortably so now he's okay with that possibility
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justcola posted:What a funny law. So under c, technically the state could do anything in order to keep the economy afloat? So if the economy is heading for a no deal brexit any of those agencies could authorise a purge (with lead) of the govt for failure to negotiate? Wow... 40k is leaking into reality.
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Wasn't there a weirdly broad law like this ages ago that would allow a bunch of minor, non CRB checked government agencies full access to your internet history?
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justcola posted:What a funny law. So under c, technically the state could do anything in order to keep the economy afloat? That clause is copied and pasted from the Intelligence Services Act (and laws that derive from it) because realistically that's a big part of what our intelligence agencies do, particularly given most of our non-bullshit economic activity is based on design and engineering, which are particularly vulnerable to economic espionage. Of course when it's used elsewhere it's in legislation that severely limits the uses of that clause, but in this one, not so much. (e.g. the rather more limited powers in the Investigatory Powers Act only extend the "economic wellbeing" justification to MI5 and GCHQ which I know is still dodgy but at least has a logic to it in terms of the role that they play in counterintelligence - the Food Standards Agency (or the Ministry of Justice for that matter) aren't supposed to be defending the economic wellbeing of the country. Even if there's further safeguards it's indicative of a law that's not really been properly drafted, at very best, and poo poo this serious deserves a bit more than "gently caress it we'll fix it in post")
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Wasn't there a weirdly broad law like this ages ago that would allow a bunch of minor, non CRB checked government agencies full access to your internet history? Short answer: No. Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo don't make me start posting about this again, please
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this is basically the law that you read about coming up 20 years later in a history textbook when they round up the socialists
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And the best thing is Labour could have defeated it at first reading but chose to abstain to gain the political capital required to amend it, then got no amendments and abstained again.
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Lungboy posted:And the best thing is Labour could have defeated it at first reading but chose to abstain to gain the political capital required to amend it, then got no amendments and abstained again. is that true?* *too lazy to check
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Getting beaten to death in my own home for watching the Thundercats theme song without permission from the copyright owner by the guy who inspects the porkchops.
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Unkempt posted:Insurance is probably a thing - a plumber can wreck your entire house, it'd take a lot of work for a carpenter to do that. Lemme tell you a story about a wood butcher round here. He gets called out to fix something on someone's narrowboat. Put some shelves up or whatever. The weeny electric hookup at the moorings trips out when he tries to use his power tools, so he rings up the owner who tells him there's a generator and a can of fuel- but check because it could be petrol or diesel in the can. He can't decide from the smell whether it's petrol or diesel and decides to carry out a small, careful ignition test. He carries the can on deck and dribbles a tiny bit of fuel out. If you're wondering what sort of a person would test flammability by conducting a controlled burn on a customer's home, well.... The fuel is petrol. The controlled burn goes up with a WHOOSH. So does the fuel can which our hero has carelessly left right next to the test site, unstoppered. Faced with the terrifying prospect of a not-at-all-controlled burn, he kicks the can over the side of the boat into the canal. Day saved, right? Wrong. Petrol floats.
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Communist Thoughts posted:is that true?* Dunno about first reading but the all the Serious Grownups were talking about how they had to abstain in order to be able to amend it, then somehow failing to demonstrate the rule that says that. At least one desperate one is still saying "Oh but now we can amend it in the Lords" and not taking any questions.
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its okay, it will only be extended to tory doners and their mates, family members and prostitutes
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Dunno about first reading but the all the Serious Grownups were talking about how they had to abstain in order to be able to amend it, then somehow failing to demonstrate the rule that says that. At least one desperate one is still saying "Oh but now we can amend it in the Lords" and not taking any questions. its a genius idea because now labour abstaining on this is a story, whereas before the story would only be about the tories voting for this trash sir bagholder...
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https://twitter.com/YorkshireLad_87/status/1316804272252751873?s=19 Starmer's Labour.
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I know news is meaningless and nothing matters any more but you would have thought the government legalising crimes committed by the government would have warranted a front page in one of the papers at least. Can't wait for the Betstapo to break my knees for winning too much on an accumulator
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OwlFancier posted:Also I'm actually looking at the CHIS bill and it appers to make literally all crime legal for: So does this mean that detention centre employees can now rape with impunity? Any more than they already do, I mean, I think the only thing that happened with the big scandal was that they got fired (and mostly stopped to be fair).
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Apparently you have to be a "covert human intelligence source" as defined under the RIPA but I can't find where they actually define what one of those is or if there is anything stopping them from just declaring anyone to be one. As far as I know defining one would presumably fall to the same people though. Also that would just mean that like, the DHSC can start churning out its own 00 agents. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Oct 15, 2020 |
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the sex ghost posted:I know news is meaningless and nothing matters any more but you would have thought the government legalising crimes committed by the government would have warranted a front page in one of the papers at least. Can't wait for the Betstapo to break my knees for winning too much on an accumulator Please, it's hardly the stalinism we all had to hear about over the past five years of Corbyn's Labour.
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