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Saoshyant posted:I don't get the context? What's he referring to? https://twitter.com/TomKingTK/status/1283452224476270592?s=20
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Jordan7hm posted:I wish Kot wrote better comics cuz everything else about him is good. I liked his James Bond book The Body.
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Oct 16, 2020 21:54
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Yikes! Who the hell thought that was a good idea?
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Oct 16, 2020 21:58
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The reason Twitter went down yesterday is that they were trying to stop Tom King from posting this.
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Oct 17, 2020 00:16
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I don't understand how you can write a Rorschach comic nowadays and not make it about Q.
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Gripweed posted:I don't understand how you can write a Rorschach comic nowadays and not make it about Q. Q. The Question. It all makes sense now. Actually, I think taking Rorschach all the way to Q would be a problem unless he was the unhinged guy who thought they were unhinged. Rorschach as a character follows his absolutist moral compass. It's generally a pretty lovely moral compass, but the fact that occasionally it keeps him pointing in the right direction while other people falter makes him interesting. So if Rorschach got into Q, he'd be storming Comet Ping Pong that night. At that point, you have to make him horribly wrong which loses the inherent conflict in the character or you have to make him, and by extension Q, right. If Rorschach is going to have any positive traits at all, then you can't associate him with Q. If you did, then no matter how you structure it, it becomes a pro-Q story.
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Random Stranger posted:Q. The Question. It all makes sense now. The thing about Q is that it does have a hold of a nugget of something true; our ruling class are all monstrous pedophiles. But for some reason instead of looking at any of the actual Epstein, Trump, Prince Andrew, Franklin Credit Ring, Catholic Church stuff, they make up a weird conspiracy about pizza parlors and underground tunnels. So if Rorschach got into Q it could be a thing where he thinks he's getting somewhere with it but then realizes it's all nonsense obfuscating the truth, or he thinks he's found allied but it turns out they're nuts, or something like that. But my larger point is that doing a Rorschach character without dealing with what a person like that would be up to nowadays in the real world is just cowardice. Rorschach was a disturbed, angry, lonely young man with a conspiratorial bent and a belief that he is the only person who sees the true face of the world. The world that that person would be navigating now is very different from what it was in the 80s. And, frankly, exploring that is the only good reason to write a new Rorschach comic today. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 17, 2020 02:10
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Yeah, I'm not trusting the former spook to do a good expose on Q though either.
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Oct 17, 2020 02:12
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Noted comics writer, war criminal Tom Taylor
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Oct 17, 2020 03:02
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We don't like Tom King now? Everyone was fellating his Vision a few years ago, weren't they?
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Oct 17, 2020 03:37
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A Strange Aeon posted:We don't like Tom King now? Everyone was fellating his Vision a few years ago, weren't they? People started turning hard on him about halfway through his Batman. I don't mind his writing but there's a decent chance he's a war criminal.
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Oct 17, 2020 03:43
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Endless Mike posted:Noted comics writer, war criminal Tom Taylor i cant believe tom taylor used mustard gas on those emus
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Oct 17, 2020 03:55
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I think with King the tipping point was Catwoman deciding she couldn’t marry Batman because she thought he couldn’t be happy to be effective or some such nonsense.
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Oct 17, 2020 03:56
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and, y'know, Heroes in Crisis happened
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Dawgstar posted:I think with King the tipping point was Catwoman deciding she couldn’t marry Batman because she thought he couldn’t be happy to be effective or some such nonsense. I like how Marvel also did the wedding fakeout thing right around the same time, but did it so much better by having two other people immediately actually get married in the same issue.
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I’m a big Tom King fan, but that’s 100% from his character-focused miniseries.
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Alaois posted:and, y'know, Heroes in Crisis happened
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So they added the first part of the 90's Daimon Hellstrom series to Marvel Unlimited today, the same day the TV show was launched and i realized two things, they changed the spelling for the TV show to Helstrom with one "L" and the name of the 90's book is actually "Hellstorm: Prince of Lies"
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Oct 17, 2020 09:30
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Alaois posted:and, y'know, Heroes in Crisis happened Amazing how that's the exact moment the comics Internet started caring what he did for a living before he wrote comics.
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Skwirl posted:So they added the first part of the 90's Daimon Hellstrom series to Marvel Unlimited today, the same day the TV show was launched and i realized two things, they changed the spelling for the TV show to Helstrom with one "L" and the name of the 90's book is actually "Hellstorm: Prince of Lies" I remember being pretty turned off by how edgy Hellstorm was trying to be back when it was a current series. I'm wondering if it's better out of context... Of course it won't be. 90's edge ages poorly.
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Oct 17, 2020 14:01
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Random Stranger posted:I remember being pretty turned off by how edgy Hellstorm was trying to be back when it was a current series. I'm wondering if it's better out of context... I know people who jumped onto it because they were diehard Ellis fans and came away disappointed. I think it did 'Heaven is actually the evil one' before that was really overplayed, if it helps.
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Oct 17, 2020 14:11
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Dawgstar posted:I think it did 'Heaven is actually the evil one' before that was really overplayed, if it helps. I thought it was a 90's series, not a 60's series. 
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Oct 17, 2020 14:25
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wait there's a hellstrom tv series?
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Soonmot posted:wait there's a hellstrom tv series? Well, 'Helstrom' but yeah. It's on Hulu. Damian and (Sat)Ana are occult investigators or something.
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Oct 17, 2020 15:21
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Ugh, so that sounds lame
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Dawgstar posted:Well, 'Helstrom' but yeah. It's on Hulu. Damian and (Sat)Ana are occult investigators or something. I haven’t watched it and have no plans to do so. by all accounts it’s a pretty generic “investigators of the demonic” supernatural drama that does little to nothing to distinguish itself from other shows like Evil that are doing the same general thing
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Oct 17, 2020 18:44
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Senior Woodchuck posted:Amazing how that's the exact moment the comics Internet started caring what he did for a living before he wrote comics. lol okay dog
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Senior Woodchuck posted:Amazing how that's the exact moment the comics Internet started caring what he did for a living before he wrote comics. I read posts talking about King's CIA background as early as the carnival issue of Batman, so well before people started to really sour on him.
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Dawgstar posted:I know people who jumped onto it because they were diehard Ellis fans and came away disappointed. I think it did 'Heaven is actually the evil one' before that was really overplayed, if it helps. Was Ellis a big deal when it came out? Transmetropolitan, Planetary and The Authority all came later.
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I think it was definitely more of a "back issue find" once he picked up a following, I know that's how I picked it up. Though he definitely had a buzz about him (not hurt by him being an early adopter of Comics Pro On the Internet via Compuserve/Usenet) within a year or two of Hellstorm when he was doing Excalibur and Doom 2099. But pre-Hellstorm he'd done a bunch of comics journalism in the UK, some Lazarus Churchyard stories, and a back-up in a Ghost Rider Annual.
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Edge & Christian posted:(not hurt by him being an early adopter of Comics Pro On the Internet via Compuserve/Usenet) Warren Ellis was one of the first ever reply guys.
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Oct 17, 2020 22:38
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I mean, he was a goon for a hot minute.
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Rhyno posted:I mean, he was a goon for a hot minute. Not enough curvy goonettes, so he left.
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Skwirl posted:Not enough curvy goonettes, so he left. Gavok and I both got healthy, what you gonna do
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Edge & Christian posted:I think it was definitely more of a "back issue find" once he picked up a following, I know that's how I picked it up. Though he definitely had a buzz about him (not hurt by him being an early adopter of Comics Pro On the Internet via Compuserve/Usenet) within a year or two of Hellstorm when he was doing Excalibur and Doom 2099. But pre-Hellstorm he'd done a bunch of comics journalism in the UK, some Lazarus Churchyard stories, and a back-up in a Ghost Rider Annual. Right. People went after it in a frenzy of 'this is the best writer EVER!' which didn't work out very well for them.
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Thinking because someone wrote whatever your definition of best comic/book/movie/tv show ever is all their other work must also be brilliant , especially the stuff that was much, much less popular than what made you like them, and then realizing there's a reason it was less popular than their breakout hit is a very common part of being a nerd. It was Gaiman's Black Orchid for me.
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Skwirl posted:Thinking because someone wrote whatever your definition of best comic/book/movie/tv show ever is all their other work must also be brilliant , especially the stuff that was much, much less popular than what made you like them, and then realizing there's a reason it was less popular than their breakout hit is a very common part of being a nerd. For me it was that hot minute when Byrne and Claremont both tried their hands at novels. (And this was extremely pre-internet, so all I knew of Byrne was 'he did the FF and the X-Men and I dug them.')
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Dawgstar posted:For me it was that hot minute when Byrne and Claremont both tried their hands at novels. (And this was extremely pre-internet, so all I knew of Byrne was 'he did the FF and the X-Men and I dug them.') What, you didn't like the sequel to Willow where they killed off the entire cast in the first thirty pages and then rename anyone who was left to something completely different?
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I liked most of Alan Moore's early stuff, barring his highschool zine stuff that I've never really gotten into. Voice of the Fire I also liked, though I haven't read his newer novel yet.
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I put a large lot of Deadpool comics up for sale on the FB marketplace with the condition that it's a cash only sale and I will only meet in the parking lot of the local PD and the first person to contact me is trying to strong-arm me into meeting at 9pm in a somewhat lovely part of town. Why yes thank you I would like to get murdered over comics.
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