Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Right wingers love their persecution complexes.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Private Speech posted:

Well there's also this:


It's kinda funny because it's not like there's anything he can really argue in the trial if the UK wants to extradite him, but they still had to stack the proceedings because reasons. Be it exemplary punishment or pressure from the US or whatever.

e: better source

I do have respect for the judiciary so I'm kind of surprised that this is happening. Like I dunno what judge etiquette is, whether other judges are allowed and do kind of go er.... sketchy as hell no? Like I dont get all the complicated bits but telling amnesty international to do one from our court is pretty loving suspicious. like I get we dont ant them behind the scenes in stuff because we are james bonding it but in the actual courtroom? If we havent managed to set things up sufficiently by that point that we've got to the point where we're going to have a judge cheat then wtf? Hopefully there will be some legislation come along soon that will sort all this out and if it isnt up to the job labour will make sure to vote against it.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Antigravitas posted:

"Anti-American" is the most pathetic term I've ever read tbh.

I mean technically if you aren't american you should be anti american? Thats how it works if we're doing nations.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

https://twitter.com/HKesvani/status/1317960391453036544
I can't think of anything more obviously performative than having your two minute's silent reflection on the horror of war on your loving doorstep for the neighbours to watch.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Wow, I forgot just how different the first couple of Discworlds really are. It reads like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy but fantasy, only Rincewind and Twoflower keep forgetting which of them is supposed to be Ford and which is Arthur. There's the character inconsistencies too, especially with Death, but that's more like just a sub issue of the whole character of the books being different. The shift in Equal Rites is immense, even if Granny's only 80, 90% nailed down to what she'd become later.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Dabir posted:

Wow, I forgot just how different the first couple of Discworlds really are. It reads like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy but fantasy, only Rincewind and Twoflower keep forgetting which of them is supposed to be Ford and which is Arthur. There's the character inconsistencies too, especially with Death, but that's more like just a sub issue of the whole character of the books being different. The shift in Equal Rites is immense, even if Granny's only 80, 90% nailed down to what she'd become later.

Oh yeah they're completely different. Like still good IMO, but totally different from subsequent books.

jabby posted:

https://twitter.com/HKesvani/status/1317960391453036544
I can't think of anything more obviously performative than having your two minute's silent reflection on the horror of war on your loving doorstep for the neighbours to watch.

I am reminded of a recent question in another thread as to whether anyone saying "virtue signaling" is not a prick, and this, this is the perfect example of actual virtue signaling.

Like at least the NHS clap NHS people are actually alive and can hear you doing it, performative silence on your doorstep for the dead is ridiculous.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Oct 19, 2020

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



jabby posted:

https://twitter.com/HKesvani/status/1317960391453036544
I can't think of anything more obviously performative than having your two minute's silent reflection on the horror of war on your loving doorstep for the neighbours to watch.

Next year people will put more effort into home poppy displays than they do Christmas lights.


I need to give Discworld another go one of these days. I read a few as a kid but a lot of it went over my head, and I tried reading them all a few years back but I think I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of them and all the different reading orders. I stuck with the Rincewind and Death ones, until I got to one that felt way too on the nose about living shopping centers and sort of lost interest.

stev fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Oct 19, 2020

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
im going as a poppy to halloween this year

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Antigravitas posted:

The British behaviour in these negotiators is utterly baffling because theatrics don't work there. Negotiations at that level are fiendishly technical and throwing a tantrum simply wastes time, it doesn't change the fundamentals.


Boris, and indeed every other conservative politician, aren't really what you would call "details" people. If they were, they would have noticed that not a single one of their policies achieves their stated aims.

Sloth Life posted:

Aubergine, a bit too mushy - wet.

I find this, same with courgette (although they're seemingly nothing alike the flesh is very similar) and it turns out the solution is either to cook it very quickly under hot heat either by grilling, deep frying, or stir-frying, OR you can chop it up, stick it in a bowl, pour LOADS of salt over it (seriously like several tablespoons), and leave it for 15 mins or so. The salt draws a lot of moisture out, then you drain it off (with a colander) and rinse it under the tap - this washes the salt off but the veg doesn't reabsorb any water, making it drier. If you do this then stick it in a stew or whatever it comes out with much more bite to it and doesn't turn entirely to mush.

Dogatron
Jun 24, 2020

jabby posted:

We work in a state-run system and our training is highly subsidised, they pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to train and then work in an ultra-capitalist environment. As a junior they get poo poo on worse than us but as a senior they earn way more. I think it basically encourages a "gently caress you, got mine" mindset because they suffer ridiculously to get to the pinnacle of being rich, so being rich is clearly the result of hard work and effort right?

Plus we see huge numbers of the poorest people in the NHS, and see the good socialised medicine can do. I've never worked in America but I'd imagine they're a lot more insulated from the lowest rung of society by virtue or refusing to treat them.


I think it depends what part of the country you work in. I worked in a teaching hospital in the South East of England and nearly every Consultant I met in theatres was a posh money grabbing right wing piece of poo poo. The few I met who were not were rare.

Now I am working in the North of England in a small DGH they are less money grabbing and right wing, but the cynical part of me thinks it is making a virtue out out of a necessity as the private practice does not exist at the same scale.

It's also worth remembering out of all the professions in Germany the most enthusiastic joiners of the Nazi party were doctors. Then you have to think about nasty dictators who were doctors-François Duvalier, Bashar al-Assad, Radovan Karadžić, and Hastings Banda.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32147-5/fulltext

I don't believe in doctors myself and I hope saying that has the same effect as not believing in fairies.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
I'm always kind of amazed at how quickly all of our institutions fall apart if someone with power just says no.

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

WhatEvil posted:

Boris, and indeed every other conservative politician, aren't really what you would call "details" people. If they were, they would have noticed that not a single one of their policies achieves their stated aims.

Do you think they aren’t fully aware? The ones who haven’t noticed are the voters who keep falling for it.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Dogatron posted:

I think it depends what part of the country you work in. I worked in a teaching hospital in the South East of England and nearly every Consultant I met in theatres was a posh money grabbing right wing piece of poo poo. The few I met who were not were rare.

Now I am working in the North of England in a small DGH they are less money grabbing and right wing, but the cynical part of me thinks it is making a virtue out out of a necessity as the private practice does not exist at the same scale.

It's also worth remembering out of all the professions in Germany the most enthusiastic joiners of the Nazi party were doctors. Then you have to think about nasty dictators who were doctors-François Duvalier, Bashar al-Assad, Radovan Karadžić, and Hastings Banda.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32147-5/fulltext

I don't believe in doctors myself and I hope saying that has the same effect as not believing in fairies.

Toryness still scales with income, age, and how far South you go. So Southern consultants are pretty much the worst case scenario.

Junior doctors, especially those who were working at the time of the strikes, are more likely to be lefty. It's still a well-off profession which encourages the development of a God complex though.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Soricidus posted:

Do you think they aren’t fully aware? The ones who haven’t noticed are the voters who keep falling for it.

I tend to think it's more like institutional knowledge? Like the right wing political institution can collectively dupe people, but in so doing it also (to a degree) dupes its component people including those at the top. Like I do think a lot of them actually believe their own hype, and that's part of the problem.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Gonzo McFee posted:

I'm always kind of amazed at how quickly all of our institutions fall apart if someone with power just says no.

Why did the former owner of this site sell it?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

stev posted:

Next year people will put more effort into home poppy displays than they do Christmas lights.


I need to give Discworld another go one of these days. I read a few as a kid but a lot of it went over my head, and I tried reading them all a few years back but I think I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of them and all the different reading orders. I stuck with the Rincewind and Death ones, until I got to one that felt way too on the nose about living shopping centers and sort of lost interest.

Just pick one up and read it, don't worry about all that bullshit about The Grand Sweep Of Narrative, each is completely readable as a self-contained book.

As it sounds like you've not read the Watch books, I'd say either start at Guards! Guards! and work through them, or if you just want the one, go for Jingo. Controversial I know but - as a purely standalone book - I'd recommend it over Night Watch or Thud, because for me it's right in the sweet spot of silly knockabout fun, serious themes, and interesting story telling.

Even more controversially, I'd say Vimes becomes a much *less* interesting character in Night Watch and onwards because - certainly by Thud - he's basically Superman, there's no flaws and hence no jeopardy. Vimes became the main character of the Watch books instead of Carrot simply because of this; he's fundamentally a more interesting character than Mr. Perfect Carrot.

Same problem with Granny Weatherwax, Vetinari and - ironically because he was bought in because of this narrative armour that had built up around the main characters - Moist almost immediately.

Those later books are undoubtedly the best in the series, but for each of those main strands I'd definitely say the mid-period books are better *in isolation*. In fact I'd even go so far as to say you're actually better off thinking of the books as three completely separate bodies of work - i.e. don't think about "Watch books" or "Witches books", think about early, mid and late books because - say - Men at Arms and Lords and Ladies are much more similar to each other than they are to Night Watch and Carpe Jugulum.

While I'm self-immolating on this - Soul Music is the funniest book in the series, Hogfather is better than either Reaper Man or Mort, Feet of Clay is unfairly overlooked, Pyramids is boring shite, and I will not be taking questions.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

goddamnedtwisto posted:

While I'm self-immolating on this - Soul Music is the funniest book in the series, Hogfather is better than either Reaper Man or Mort, Feet of Clay is unfairly overlooked, Pyramids is boring shite, and I will not be taking questions.


This feels like being shot with a mix of candy floss and buckshot.

Camrath
Mar 19, 2004

The UKMT Fudge Baron


Hard disagree- Pyramids was what got me started on the whole series. Though on reflection that’s because the first third or so is basically a Boarding School
Story, and I used to obsessively read those as a younger kid.

Which is also the reason why I always hated Harry Potter, to digress slightly.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
the first bit of Pyramids where Teppic does the Run is really good but the rest is really slow and plodding and generally muddled

e: and I always preferred Moving Pictures to Soul Music, although a lot of that is probably because I didn't get most of the musical puns in SM the first time

Julio Cruz fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Oct 19, 2020

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Gonzo McFee posted:

I'm always kind of amazed at how quickly all of our institutions fall apart if someone with power just says no.

I don't think it's a matter of them just crumbling out of nowhere - politicians on both sides have chipped away at them (for reasons for both good and bad) for years because fundamentally institutions, from local councils to Parliament itself, not to mention the legal system and the Civil Service, are inertial - even if it's not their stated role, they inevitably resist change to the status quo. From the People's Budget in 1911 to Priti Patel attempting to define what is and isn't inhumane by fiat, it's impossible for politicians *not* to end up weakening them.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The bit where he starts making the ankh flood and poo poo grow everywhere IMO is cool too, like it's just so out there, you start out thinking it's just nonsense and then no he actually has loving magic powers.

Also the pyramid scheme poo poo and the gods of the old kingdom are good fun too.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
pratchett is teenage nonsense but its really good teenage nonsense and whos to say adult nonsense is any better.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.
Elect to wear a single white poppy. It makes some people just inordinately upset.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Pyramids is good if only because the fake-Egyptian Kingdom of Djel-I-Beybi* is a really delightful pun.

*translation “Child of the river Djel

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Apparently a lot of people on twitter didn't get that vetinari was a pun on medici, so I can only imagine how many people didn't get djelibeybi.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Beefeater1980 posted:

Pyramids is good if only because the fake-Egyptian Kingdom of Djel-I-Beybi* is a really delightful pun.

*translation “Child of the river Djel

Actually come up with (along with a fair chunk of the other Egyptian puns) by Usenet weirdos on alt.fan.pratchett. I think part of the reason why Pratchett got quite so beloved was he was doing online interactivity two decades before Twitter was a thing.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Guards Guards is the best Discworld book.

But I think everyone's first Discworld book is at least in their top 3.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Soricidus posted:

Do you think they aren’t fully aware? The ones who haven’t noticed are the voters who keep falling for it.

There's a mix. Some are truly just evil loving people but some of them are (also) true believers. May was one IMO.

Mourning Due
Oct 11, 2004

*~ missin u ~*
:canada:
Back to carrot chat: they only work in such specific circumstances. They're the only been I can think of that I like, yet would never want in pasta or on pizza. They don't really work with cheese, which kicks them out of a lot of dishes.

While we're on controversial veg chat: mashed swede > mashed taters. Slightly worse texture, but much easier to get right, with a naturally buttery flavor that is easy to enhance. Mashed potatoes are just kind of nothing flavoured unless you add a bunch of crazy poo poo (last year we tried adding white miso and black garlic, which was delicious)

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

Apparently a lot of people on twitter didn't get that vetinari was a pun on medici, so I can only imagine how many people didn't get djelibeybi.
*sprints into thread to yell about sharks and jets and falls over and lands on rear end*

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


WhatEvil posted:

There's a mix. Some are truly just evil loving people but some of them are (also) true believers. May was one IMO.
I know someone who did a bunch of consultancy for the Home Office when May was Home Sec. She very much is a "details" person, and used to basically micromanage the entire department (part of the reason she was such a lovely PM - you can run a department command-and-control style, but try that on an entire Government & the Secretaries of State just ignore you). Wrt to being a true believer, apparently she was a bit obsessed with the idea that what the Great British Public want is more racism, so she would keep trying to present only-a-bit racist policies as much-more-racist. For example, the racist vans were originally supposed to be much less racist, but she insisted on cranking it up a bit. What I'm saying is, I wouldn't consider her a "true believer", in that she pretty much seems to think of herself as a pragmatist rather than an idealogue, but when your answer to everything is "hmm this probably isn't racist enough for the public to accept" then uhhh you might be projecting a bit.

Turning a big dial taht says "Racism" on it all the way up uP UP and never bothering to look back at the audience because you're sure it's what those unwashed plebs want & don't see any need to check, basically

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"
I ended up missing most of root veg chat and I just want to make clear that I think sweet potato is a bullshit vegetable that is only useful for making japanese curry

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Mourning Due posted:

Back to carrot chat: they only work in such specific circumstances. They're the only been I can think of that I like, yet would never want in pasta or on pizza. They don't really work with cheese, which kicks them out of a lot of dishes.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.
Finely grating a carrot into a sauce as part of a sofrito/mirepoix instead of using sugar is like, a basic cooking thing, yo. Carrots and other aromatics just add to your cook.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




Hey there's good news coming out of the election in Bolivia, so that's a nice start to the week.

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

Necrothatcher posted:

Hey there's good news coming out of the election in Bolivia, so that's a nice start to the week.

I eagerly await yet another CIA backed intervention.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Antigravitas posted:

I've been spending an absolutely unhealthy amount of time reading up on all things Brexit, and it just gets more :stare: / :psyduck: with every article I read.

The people the EU put in charge of negotiating are the most square of the squares you could possibly come up with. These people exist to service the Process, in service of the Process, for the glory of the Process, etc. etc.

The EU can't blink. There's no process for that. The negotiators would have to acquire a new mandate and draft a process before their eyelids can submit the form A38-f to begin the movement described in the annex DF subsection b of the Protocols of European Public Service. Parliament would have to set the motion to blink on the agenda.

The British behaviour in these negotiators is utterly baffling because theatrics don't work there. Negotiations at that level are fiendishly technical and throwing a tantrum simply wastes time, it doesn't change the fundamentals.

Even more baffling: Geographic proximity dictates that the EU and UK _must_ come to agreements in all sorts of fields. Not doing so would be disastrous, so it's practically a given that some sort of negotiation must happen even after the turn of the year. "Walking away" from the negotiations is thus transparently idiotic because they'll have to come back later…

I just realised it reminds me of the bit in the IT crowd (written by Dara Ó Briain) where Matt Berry's representing himself in court, and the judge tells him to just put his case plainly, and stop doing an impression of a lawyer he once saw on TV.

They're doing an impression of what they think hard-nosed negotiations look like, probably with visions of themselves walking away, hand on the doorknob, and the EU will go "wait! stop! we give in, you can have all the access with none of the obligations". Whether they're delusional or just playing up for the crowds while wanting no deal has been discussed already.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






TBH “doing an impression of being the government” is a pretty solid description of the government.

They’re cosplaying running the country.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




Bobstar posted:

I just realised it reminds me of the bit in the IT crowd (written by Dara Ó Briain) where Matt Berry's representing himself in court, and the judge tells him to just put his case plainly, and stop doing an impression of a lawyer he once saw on TV.

Despite the comedy that scene is weirdly accurate down to tiny details of how civil High Court cases work and what judges have on the bench etc.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Lungboy posted:

I eagerly await yet another CIA backed intervention.

The CIA are too busy gearing up for an intervention come Nov 3rd.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply