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So now MAS is more popular than ever. Hopefully they can renationalise those industries back and use their new mandate to go further with their ideology since before they really slowed things down in order to make amends with the Global North.
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MAS went with the "ballot or the bullet" approach, and demonstrated that the bullet threat was very, very real.
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mA posted:Well, in the one year they were in power they accomplished a lot of what they wanted to do: e.g. privatize industries, take out loans from the World Bank, etc. I have a feeling it's going to be difficult for Arce and MAS to roll that stuff back, unfortunately. I suspect that, in reality, its going to be easy to do. They are largely going to argue that the coup was an illegal act, given that they won BOTH elections, and simply invalidate the actions of the Right Wing coup. If you cannot stand 2 elections, the Right Wing coup never had a legal mandate. In the end, that's all the legitimacy Arce and MAS needs to roll it back. Signing deals with World Bank assumes you have the legitimacy to be making that deal on behalf of the country. They did not, and based on this ongoing election, likely never did. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Oct 19, 2020 |
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I'm going to have a hearty laugh about it if these numbers stay steady and MAS actually comes out of this with one of the strongest mandates in the entire world.
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Hell yeah, great day for Bolivia.
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CommieGIR posted:I suspect that, in reality, its going to be easy to do. They are largely going to argue that the coup was an illegal act, given that they won BOTH elections, and simply invalidate the actions of the Right Wing coup. Yeah, I can see that. TBH, the much bigger problem is the predatory IMF loans that Anez took out for Bolivia. Hopefully Arce and MAS will be able to deal with the political economic ramifications of it.
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good poo poo extremely good poo poo is this the first genuinely good news I've heard all year? I don't actually know. probably
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mA posted:Yeah, I can see that. TBH, the much bigger problem is the predatory IMF loans that Anez took out for Bolivia. Hopefully Arce and MAS will be able to deal with the political economic ramifications of it. Honestly? Yeah, IMF might try to lodge a complaint, but legally since the agreements were made with a coup, not the legitimate government: Good loving luck.
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Yeah that's not happening. They'll be stuck with that debt because they won't want another coup.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Yeah that's not happening. They'll be stuck with that debt because they won't want another coup. Why would another coup happen? The current failed coup is largely toothless, and its unlikely anyone is going to sponsor one without becoming a pariah.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I hope you're right. Don't get me wrong, its not a surety, but given the best they could do coup wise is now a guy crying on national TV.....good luck, IMF.
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punk rebel ecks posted:MAS should now expand it's anarchist elements. As a principled anarchist, I must oppose MAS for their nationalizing their country's resources and committing the high crime of 'state capitalism', the worst thing you can ever do.
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CommieGIR posted:Why would another coup happen? The current failed coup is largely toothless, and its unlikely anyone is going to sponsor one without becoming a pariah. Eh, MAS still needs to find a way to bring the military back into the fold on their side. Otherwise, it only takes a few disgruntled generals to back another coup in the future, just like what happened with Anez.
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CommieGIR posted:Don't get me wrong, its not a surety, but given the best they could do coup wise is now a guy crying on national TV.....good luck, IMF. To be fair, so did Jeremy Corbyn when he lost.
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mila kunis posted:As a principled anarchist, I must oppose MAS for their nationalizing their country's resources and committing the high crime of 'state capitalism', the worst thing you can ever do. I disagree. I think they should nationalize all of their country's resources.
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They won't get couped if they don't pay back the IMF loan because that's not how the IMF works. If they don't pay it back they (probably) won't be able to take out any other debt from anyone else, but if for some reason their exports pick up again they won't need it since they'll be getting dollars from that and that's usually why countries take IMF loans in the first place.
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but guys you don't get it, Evo absolutely TANKED the foreign debt that was crippling the bolivian economy  https://twitter.com/Licualopodo/status/1318160822414282758?s=20
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SexyBlindfold posted:but guys you don't get it, Evo absolutely TANKED the foreign debt that was crippling the bolivian economy lmfao maravilloso
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CommieGIR posted:Why would another coup happen? The current failed coup is largely toothless, and its unlikely anyone is going to sponsor one without becoming a pariah. A big part of why this coup failed is because Trump has no appetite for any thing that lasted more than two weeks and that the CIA were so disheartened by Trump getting bored halfway through a meeting and ordering McDonalds that they lost their lust for coup.
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Thanks for all the answers, gentlegoons!  So now we look forward to Morales' triumphant return and transformation into an elder statesman?
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i expect arce will want to keep morales out of the country until his grip on power is reasonably secure - no matter how aligned they are, arce will be wanting to build his own image and power base, and that would be undermined by having morales steal the show. expect him back in a year or so imo i imagine he'll have some flashy stuff to boost his own profile as something else that evo's nerd pal
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Nah I think he'll be back as soon as possible, the question is more how big a role he'll play in the administration
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I missed this at the time, but in light of recent tears from Santa Cruz, here is a good article about all these passionate democrats from Santa Cruz https://mondediplo.com/2020/07/06bolivia quote:Herland eventually answered me by quoting from memory a passage from Mein Kampf. ‘The book by Hitler?’ I asked. ‘Yes, of course,’ he replied. ‘It’s a classic. Have you read it?’ That entire article is big https://twitter.com/janeost_/status/1092145849919045639 energy mixed with a healthy dose of mask off fascism quotes Spice World War II fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Oct 20, 2020 |
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Spice World War II posted:I missed this at the time, but in light of recent tears from Santa Cruz, here is a good article about all these passionate democrats from Santa Cruz "Bolivian Americans for Democracy"
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I'd forgotten how hittable Paul Ryan's face was
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mA posted:"Bolivian Americans for Democracy" I call BS, no way this isn't some sort of Young Republicans meeting in Des Moines.
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Only 5% of Bolivian's population is white and 43% of the population speaks an indigenous language.
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Dias posted:I call BS, no way this isn't some sort of Young Republicans meeting in Des Moines. I looked it up, is almost that https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/18/paul-ryan-intern-selfie-capitol-hill-diversity
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punk rebel ecks posted:r/Bolivia filled with rich Bolivians After being able to effortlessly follow different-language threads on twitter for so long, its really jarring to remember that Reddit doesnt have some sort of simple "translate post" option Thats my english-only whine of the day, I'm enjoying the crying going on in the english threads.
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Neurolimal posted:After being able to effortlessly follow different-language threads on twitter for so long, its really jarring to remember that Reddit doesnt have some sort of simple "translate post" option Are there any places where I can read Bolivian posters opinions who aren't anti-MAS shitheads?
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C-SPAM latam thread is your best bet I think it was discussed like a year ago, and honestly MAS is the party of the poor, rural, and native in Bolivia, who probably aren't super interested in online English communities, much less posting with gringos
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Cup Runneth Over posted:C-SPAM latam thread is your best bet I'm turned off by CSPAM LatAm threads since I remember the Venezuela one which was filled with non-Venezuelans who were kicked out by Venezuelans in the Venezuela thread.
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shot:punk rebel ecks posted:r/Bolivia filled with rich Bolivians chaser: punk rebel ecks posted:I'm turned off by CSPAM LatAm threads since I remember the Venezuela one which was filled with non-Venezuelans who were kicked out by Venezuelans in the Venezuela thread.
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