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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:Well except the Tau. No one's gonna be afraid of the loving Tau. I mean, lol.  . . .
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Hunt11 posted:Stormboys come in two forms. Those who strap rockets to their backs and those who believe they are masters of stealth. To the surprise of no one they suck at stealth but no one sees it coming so they can still surprise those they come up against. Kommandos are legitimately great at stealth, although an unknown number of their exploits may actually be false flags committed by the Inquisition.
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Oct 21, 2020 04:34
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White Coke posted:Kommandos are legitimately great at stealth That's because they paint themselves purple. Why? You ever seen a purple Ork? Didn't think so!
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Are purple Orks still a thing? Because a purple Stormboy squad sounds terrifying Now that we've confirmed Spikey Boys, I feel like mentioning that Chaos always felt underdeveloped to me, mechanics wise in every game. I know that they're essentially just Space Marines, but with magic and high level monsters, but still, every other faction feels so unique except Chaos Gothsheep posted:Something someone told me a long time ago is that, if you found a problem in the game, then 99% chance that the QA found it too. Just because QA finds something doesn't mean the design team actually fixes it. I know that you're right, especially after learning about Drake of the 99 Dragons' development. Apparently their QA team stopped flagging certain things after a while because they knew their bugs would never be addressed and that's a big part of why that game is a wreck However, it's hard to not mentally conflate QA with QC when a steamer lands in your lap TheLastRoboKy posted:Not going to lie when someone mentioned the mod that fixes the building persistence issue to be back to Dark Crusade style I popped my eyebrows and hope filled my soul. But on the playtesting side it is worth noting that Iron Lore, the ones behind the expansion, were in dire financial straits at the time and I think money ran out right as they got to releasing Soulstorm. QA might have suffered somewhat. They definitely shut down afterwards because they couldn't get any financial injections for any further projects. Add on their publishers' poor fortunes at the time. THQ was starting their slide into eventual bankruptcy and needed cash to fund their shovelware and garbage tablet. Sega was really hurting for money after loving up most of their releases from 04-09. Soulstorm needed to come out, and it needed to come out ASAP. It's a wonder that the new faction works as well as it does and the new class of units don't glitch out more often
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One thing to note with Dreadnaughts is that when they are killed, the chapter recovers the frame and slots the next crippled marine into it. IT is a very high honor as well.
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The Door Frame posted:Add on their publishers' poor fortunes at the time. THQ was starting their slide into eventual bankruptcy and needed cash to fund their shovelware and garbage tablet. Sega was really hurting for money after loving up most of their releases from 04-09. Soulstorm needed to come out, and it needed to come out ASAP. It's a wonder that the new faction works as well as it does and the new class of units don't glitch out more often THQ going out of business due to its dumb tablet didn't happen until about 2012, after both Dawn of War 2 and Space Marine had come out, and SEGA acquired all that stuff afterwards when THQ's splashdown finished around 2013. Soulstorm was just an unfortunate outsource to a company that was trying to stay afloat at the time through the extra work while trying to get their own projects off the ground but sadly time was not on their side, and in this case time was money and they couldn't afford it, which yeah I should have been more specific about in regards to QA versus QC. Sometimes you literally just can't afford to pay to fix something cause then paychecks start bouncing after a certain point in the project. AtomikKrab posted:One thing to note with Dreadnaughts is that when they are killed, the chapter recovers the frame and slots the next crippled marine into it. IT is a very high honor as well. You just know the day ol' Bjorn finally signs off there's gonna be a line-up of Space Wolves trying to saw their torsos off to get in that ride.
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Oct 21, 2020 06:55
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TheLastRoboKy posted:
I bet they're like, on Bjorn #6 now, and the Chapter Master just doesn't have the heart to look into the other marines' puppy dog eyes and tell them Bjorn is dead, so they just convince the next guy to play along.
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Oct 21, 2020 06:59
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White Coke posted:Kommandos are legitimately great at stealth, although an unknown number of their exploits may actually be false flags committed by the Inquisition. Lamenters and ork snipers.
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Chainswords are dumb because they're bad chainsaws.  The concept is cool, but the implementation is so visibly terrible that you'd do better to use it unpowered as a club. See this thing? You can't actually make a deep cut because the fat bar gets in the way. But even making a shallow cut is arduous! That scratcher chain dulls fast, cuts slowly, and has a lot of teeth to fix up every time you have to use the poor thing on your enemy of choice.  Modern chainsaws use a chipper tooth design for their chains, which not only alternates the teeth from side to side but also integrates a depth gauge before each curved tooth. The result makes a guide before carving out a small chunk of whatever you're cutting, making for an even cut that doesn't require you to pay attention to your bar pressure just to prevent kickback or pinching. (Fewer teeth on the chain also makes for fewer fine details in the mini sculpts!)  Modern chainsaws can also do plunge cuts (aka bore cuts), where you stick the nose into whatever you like if you need a really deep cut. You don't see them often because forestry is all about clearing large masses of wood and trying not to have the wood fall on you in the process, but nonetheless they're an essential part of the chainsaw skillset. How many Space Marines or Astra Militarum tried thrusting a chainsword into a foe only to find that, oops, the giant-rear end guard that extends all the way up to the nose is getting in the way? The Door Frame posted:Are purple Orks still a thing? Because a purple Stormboy squad sounds terrifying
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Oct 21, 2020 11:05
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Veloxyll posted:Da Kodeks Orkstartez callz dis manueva MOAR DAKKA
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I think the front is still a blade, so that if the chainsword engine is broken the marine can still stab the enemies of the imperium with it. Sisters of Battle and imperial priests use the chainswords you are looking for. huge double handed chainswords with full blades and no guards if it gets pushed back into you by an angry angry ork.
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Oct 21, 2020 12:26
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Are those the chainswords with built-in flamers too? Or I am getting it mixed up with something else?
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Oct 21, 2020 12:32
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The chain on a chainsword is also made out of the same stuff Terminator armor is made out of, it'll rip through just about anything. It's not designed to make a nice smooth cut through things, but rather take big bloody chunks and thrown them all over the place while making a hell of a lot of noise. Plus it's being swung by a Space Marine.
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Oct 21, 2020 13:26
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Deadmeat5150 posted:The chain on a chainsword is also made out of the same stuff Terminator armor is made out of, it'll rip through just about anything. It's not designed to make a nice smooth cut through things, but rather take big bloody chunks and thrown them all over the place while making a hell of a lot of noise. It is tough enough that someone who is skilled in chainsword combat can parry a power sword (IE A FUKKEN LIGHTSABER) without destroying the blade.
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Oct 21, 2020 13:37
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Even if it using it to parry is still a risky business and can easily backfire on you. I know the first Gaunt's Ghost book features a chainsword duel between to officers. While I think the Ciaphas Cain books makes mention of at least one parrying technique that involves locking the opponents blade into the chain and then reversing it to yank it out of their hand.
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Fun fact about squigs: They are the failed first attempt of the Tyrannids to adapt the Ork genome to their needs. Orks eventually found them, deemed them sufficiently Orky, and their Waaaagh had enough of a kick behind it to wrest them away from the hivemind. And also... Behold! Carpet squigging! 
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Oct 21, 2020 14:05
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Wasn't there a story of some Ork Kommandos dressing as Space Marines and getting away with it?
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Oct 21, 2020 14:27
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Deadmeat5150 posted:Wasn't there a story of some Ork Kommandos dressing as Space Marines and getting away with it? I dunno if there's anything official like that, but there is Deffwotch, which is a hilarious Rogue Trader campaign with that premise.
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OOrochi posted:I dunno if there's anything official like that, but there is Deffwotch, which is a hilarious Rogue Trader campaign with that premise. That might be what Im thinking of.
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my dad posted:And also... Behold! Carpet squigging!
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CommissarMega posted:Lamenters and ork snipers. That was the Celestial Lions, who made the mistake of trying to call an Inquisitor Lord to account for an Exterminatus they thought was unnecessary. For those wondering how it all played out, their delegation to Terra to make an official complaint turned up dead in Ork space, and then during the Third War of Armageddon their Apothecaries were mostly wiped out by "Ork Snipers" when the Celestial Lions had their attack plans leaked to the Greenskins and the Orks turned up in force for a good fight. This meant there was no way to recover the geneseed of the fallen marines to replenish their numbers. The Celestial Lions were almost destroyed as a result and had prepared their last rites as a Chapter but then the Inquisition backed off. Why? Well they backed off because the Black Templars found out about it. Which serves as a good reminder that you might be a big honorable Space Marine but someone can easily gently caress with you from the shadows if they want and are powerful enough, but even the Inquisition has limits, and those limits extend to a Chapter so big and so very, very vengeful that had the Inquisition kept their poo poo up they probably wouldn't be able to find any shadows to hide in after that. The Lamenters are a different kind of sad story which I'll tell because it's a great one. An attempt to remove the Red Thirst and Black Rage from the Blood Angels geneseed (the former being a lust for blood and the other being a person driven mostly insane by visions of the moment the Blood Angel Primarch Sanguinius was killed by Horus, which is basically psychically seared into said geneseed) brought about the Lamenter Chapter, and at first things seemed fairly okay. They were a fleet-based chapter and in just about every battle they took part in they got turbofucked by allies or something went wrong or they just got stuck in battles where the chances of winning were pretty slim. But they always fought like goddamn heroes and managed to come out the other side beaten but unbroken, and humble for it (The Ultramarines in particular are fond of them because of their selflessness having worked alongside them). Then to make things worse they were sent to operate around the Maelstrom, a smaller than the Eye of Terror rip in real-space that had a real problem with pirates and general Chaos shenanigans. Though they acquitted themselves in their duty extremely well, conflict arose between the Imperium and the chief defenders of the Badab System the Astral Claws Chapter of Space Marines and their Chapter Master Lugft Huron due to a bunch of grievances involving a lack of support in trying to actually pacify the Maelstrom. The Lamenters sided with the Astral Claws due to them having fought side by side for a significant period of time but then it all spiraled out of control into a massive civil war (the biggest since the Horus Heresy and the biggest still after too) that ended with the Imperium winning and almost everyone involved on the losing side being sent on Penitent Crusades for a significant period of time whilst not being allowed to recruit new recruits. Their crusade path slammed them directly into the path of Hive Fleet Kraken. The Hive Tendril that almost wiped out both the Eldar Craftworld of Iyanden and the Ultramarines (they wiped out the 1st Company, which is kind of a big deal). Oh and they still ended up developing the Black Rage and Red Thirst anyway. Still kicking though! Bless 'em. The Badab War is honestly one of my favourite bits of 40K lore. It's where my favourite successor Chapter the Executioners come from. In my own opinion it's one of the best written conflicts in 40K and the events that lead to its conflict are really cool, the Space Marine Chapters that participated on both sides are supremely cool and just in general the whole thing is one big mess that could have been avoided or defused so many times until it just went goddamn insane. I could talk about it for hooooouuuuuuurs. It's why when people say "Space Marines are boring" I just shake my head in disagreement.
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Apparently the Lamenters get a minor mention as taking part in one of the conflict zones in one of the recent 9th ed books.
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Sally posted:
Not seeing any skulls or claws or green on this thing so that just proves my point.
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One thing I dislike about this map - and several others in the campaign - is its complete linearity. Having some terrain options and being able to choose your approach is pretty basic RTS design, in my opinion.
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TheLastRoboKy posted:
Speaking of smart Orks, if the War of the Beast is any indication the only thing needed for them to start reappearing is a sufficiently large amount of Orks under one banner. This is why it's so important to keep them fractured and why the Imperium should be very worried about Waaagh Ghazghkull.
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TheLastRoboKy posted:That was the Celestial Lions, who made the mistake of trying to call an Inquisitor Lord to account for an Exterminatus they thought was unnecessary. For those wondering how it all played out, their delegation to Terra to make an official complaint turned up dead in Ork space, and then during the Third War of Armageddon their Apothecaries were mostly wiped out by "Ork Snipers" when the Celestial Lions had their attack plans leaked to the Greenskins and the Orks turned up in force for a good fight. This meant there was no way to recover the geneseed of the fallen marines to replenish their numbers. The Celestial Lions were almost destroyed as a result and had prepared their last rites as a Chapter but then the Inquisition backed off.
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my dad posted:Fun fact about squigs: They are the failed first attempt of the Tyrannids to adapt the Ork genome to their needs. Orks eventually found them, deemed them sufficiently Orky, and their Waaaagh had enough of a kick behind it to wrest them away from the hivemind. I think that's been retconned away, like Orks developing sexual dimorphism in order to reproduce instead of using spores.
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Whoa whoa what is that about Orks no longer sporing? Orks are boning now?
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:Whoa whoa what is that about Orks no longer sporing? Orks are boning now? I think he means that the sporing is the retcon and that Orks used to have dimorphism.
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anilEhilated posted:One thing I dislike about this map - and several others in the campaign - is its complete linearity. Having some terrain options and being able to choose your approach is pretty basic RTS design, in my opinion. The singleplayer is more about the 40k atmosphere. Watching big, burly dudes in power armour be awesome, and listening to the voice actors chewing the scenery. Multiplayer is where the game can shine as a RTS. White Coke posted:I think that's been retconned away, like Orks developing sexual dimorphism in order to reproduce instead of using spores. As for female orks. Way back in the earliest bit of Warhammer Fantasy lore, there were some references to female orcs. But when 40k became a thing and got its own lore, some genius at GW had the idea of reimagining them as fungi (presumably because none of the writers were willing to think about orcy romance).
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I don't think they ever had dimorphism but old Orks would give birth to litters of new Orks when they reached the end of their lives up until 2nd Edition/Gorkamorka when it was changed to reproduction via spores. It sounds more like parthenogenesis than Ork boning though.
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Poil posted:Are those the chainswords with built-in flamers too? Or I am getting it mixed up with something else?
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one of the greatest failings of the internet that i will have to rectify at some point is the fact that there's no 3 second meme video of EAT CHAINSWORD for me to link right now
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Yvonmukluk posted:I think he means that the sporing is the retcon and that Orks used to have dimorphism. Oh. Oh right. Damnit, and I'd just started working on a fan book too...
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Follow your dreams and drat the canon.
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If there's one thing the Badcast Fact or Fanfiction section has taught me it's that a lot of people have already said "drat the canon".
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It is canon that Orks have buttholes, because they frequently "feed" the Squigs in the fungus drops, and Orks hate doing any kind of manual labor unless they're some kind of Oddboy. And the most important breed of Squig is by far the Hair Squig.
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Also I was happy to see you using the 'attack ground' command on the artillery, even if it wasn't working due to bugs. Way too often I see people, especially IG players, not realizing that you can blind-fire artillery into the enemy's position with attack ground. It always feels nice in that Imperial Guard way, to find a heavily fortified enemy base, and set up your firing line just out of range of their turrets and then start lobbing artillery shells into the middle of their base until it either burns down or they come charging out of it into the teeth of your guns.
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If you aren't making it rain artillery shells into the enemy base from across the map as an IG player, you are not a good IG player 
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Slaan posted:If you aren't making it rain artillery shells into the enemy base from across the map as an IG player, you are not a good IG player Maxim 57: Artillery exists to launch large chunks of budget at an enemy it cannot actually see.
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