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jabby posted:Baked in doesn't mean currency won't shift in response to political happenings. It means that it's already shifted to take into account everything we know now. This is a really good explanation and deserves a requote.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Alibaba is an interesting company. It mostly operates in the UK as Aliexpress. The company is private, but due to close governmental oversight it’s also kinda part of the Chinese government’s foreign policy; as of today it’s the Chinese version of the East India Company. Red Oktober posted:It's been a while since that New Yorker article so:
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I guess my problem was more with the reporting on it. Before an announcement they would report: Boris johnson is expected to say this but don't worry it won't have any effect on currency rates because its expected and already baked in. After the announcement where he says what they expected: HUGE DROP in the pound as johnson announces whatever it was! Er... OK
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kecske posted:this type of response really grips my poo poo. "you criticise the governments inaction but you yourself haven't resolved the problem. Curious!" JFC people here are hidden autists (not you specifically I mean the wide swathe of posts). KGM is less attractive, wealthy, successful and relevant than Marcus Rashford, but KGM’s livelihood is dependent on him being better in all of those things. It’s entirely normal for him to be envious and unpleasant. Marcus will do the same to someone else 30 years from now. E: the solution is to treat everyone else like they are you yourself. God only knows how to share this wisdom; we’ve had 6000 years of civilisation and still haven’t understood this en masse. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Oct 22, 2020 |
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Oct 22, 2020 11:49
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https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1319226305712476160 lol now he's salty as gently caress
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Beefeater1980 posted:JFC people here are hidden autists (not you specifically I mean the wide swathe of posts). KGM is less attractive, wealthy, successful and relevant than Marcus Rashford, but KGM’s livelihood is dependent on him being better in all of those things. It’s entirely normal for him to be envious and unpleasant. Marcus will do the same to someone else 30 years from now. Reading this hurt my head. What? NotJustANumber99 posted:What?
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1319226305712476160 For someone who writes for a living he sure is poo poo at it
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Oct 22, 2020 11:59
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jabby posted:lol now he's salty as gently caress
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Beefeater1980 posted:JFC people here are hidden autists (not you specifically I mean the wide swathe of posts). KGM is less attractive, wealthy, successful and relevant than Marcus Rashford, but KGM’s livelihood is dependent on him being better in all of those things. It’s entirely normal for him to be envious and unpleasant. Marcus will do the same to someone else 30 years from now. What on earth
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Beefeater1980 posted:JFC people here are hidden autists (not you specifically I mean the wide swathe of posts). KGM is less attractive, wealthy, successful and relevant than Marcus Rashford, but KGM’s livelihood is dependent on him being better in all of those things. It’s entirely normal for him to be envious and unpleasant. Marcus will do the same to someone else 30 years from now. Don't call people autists.
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Oct 22, 2020 12:03
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thrashingteeth posted:Oh my god if only there was a way we could standardise donations from individuals to be spread across society in ways we all benefit. I think we need that "talking to cis people about gender" meme but for talking to different levels of capitalist about money. With Libertarians: "See, you can take money from the rich and redistribute it in a public way, it's called tax" With liberals: "We could have a maximum income by making the top rate of tax really high! Reduce inequality!" With slightly less terrible liberals: "Money isn't constrained, tax doesn't pay for things, learn about MMT, then we could have a UBI or a UJG, wouldn't that be nice?" With fellow leftists in our philosopher robes: "Luxury space communism!"
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Tory MP quits role as PPS over the school meals affair:quote:A Conservative MP has quit her government job in protest at Boris Johnson’s refusal to back Marcus Rashford’s campaign to extend free school meal vouchers during the holidays. source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/marcus-rashford-free-school-meals-tory-mp-quits-caroline-ansell-b1221496.html Seems to me that all the tories in the past few weeks who have 'stepped down'* etc are Parliamentary Private Secretaries. (Don't ask me for a list, it's a 'memory'.) I don't really understand the purpose of this role, but they seem to be the only ones with a vestige of conscience. *just from a govt post, not resigned the whip or anything like that.
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stev posted:Reading this hurt my head. What? Let me try again. Krishnan Guru-Murthy was at one point a very prominent commentator. This resulted in him being sort of famous in the mainstream. One element in his widespread recognition was being South Asian, which very few mainstream commentators were at the time. As of today, he is part of the previous generation of commentators. This makes him less relevant and interesting than someone younger, such as Marcus Rashford. In addition, Marcus Rashford is a former footballer who was a celebrity already before taking a political position whereas Krishnan Guru-Murthy was always a journalist. So Krishnan Guru-Murthy might be forgiven for being a bit catty about Marcus Rashford. E: I apologise for calling people autists. That was neither kind nor considerate nor even accurate. Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Oct 22, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1319236898372636673 Sunak casually admitting they are weighing people's lives against jobs figures.
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1319236898372636673 The lives versus livelihoods has been an explicit phrase used for days now, possibly longer. It's always meant that some people die for profits and GDP figures. How does no one with access to a microphone seem able to point that out?
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namesake posted:The lives versus livelihoods has been an explicit phrase used for days now, possibly longer. It's always meant that some people die for profits and GDP figures. How does no one with access to a microphone seem able to point that out? Well also that people can die from other things not just covid. If more people commit suicide due to lockdown than die from covid that's not a big win is it?
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Beefeater1980 posted:Sorry I was drunk posting. And still am, ban me you cowards. When did Rashford retire from playing football?
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Not exactly news is it that a life has a value and if it costs more than that to save you youre poo poo out of luck.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Seems to me that all the tories in the past few weeks who have 'stepped down'* etc are Parliamentary Private Secretaries. (Don't ask me for a list, it's a 'memory'.)
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Well also that people can die from other things not just covid. If more people commit suicide due to lockdown than die from covid that's not a big win is it? No but currently that's not the case, the excess death figures for the first spike contain a majority mentioning COVID 19 as you would expect. Furthermore it ignores the toll on physical and mental health of requiring workers to operate in environments which either are or are believed to be unsafe which will have a cost of its own. In reality the whole premise is wrong - globally the trend is the countries which controlled the virus experienced a smaller loss of GDP as well compared to those that really hosed up one or the other - it's a false dicotomy to say there's a trade off.
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It's also worth saying that as each Minister can have multiple PPS (and you don't even have to be that Minister's PPS if there's a reshuffle to get the job) resigning as a PPS on a controversial position is an easy win. To the voters you seem principled and on their side, and to the party you are nothing.
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Yeah, the people resigning are PPSs because a PPS has least to lose.
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PPS have been enormously expanded in numbers since May becuase it gives some extra pay and is used by the gov as a way to force MP's to adhere to the whip.
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The only good Tory is an ex-Tory. If they had actual empathy they’d be leaving the party, not making symbolic protests while continuing to prop up the Cummings administration.
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*points at another railway* NATIONALISED https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1319209212237565953?s=20
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Had an interesting chat with someone yesterday and by interesting I mean death to landlords and tories. He owns 8 furnished holiday let properties. Thanks to the government’s emergency small business grants, he’s been given £10,000 for each of these. No proof of loss of income required. In fact, because his properties are quite nice places, rich people who would otherwise go abroad are instead clamouring for fancy staycations, and he’s been able to increase the rent. Even before the free 80k, it’s his most successful year for a decade. aaaaaaAAAA
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Dead Goon posted:When did Rashford retire from playing football? Probably around 2034
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Juche Couture posted:Had an interesting chat with someone yesterday and by interesting I mean death to landlords and tories. I couldn't understand how that works and looked up the Small Business Grants Fund rules, and it has actually been specifically written so that small businesses are eligible for £10,000 per property. So every small business engaged in actual trade will be eligible for £10k of support total while every twat with a bunch of holiday lets will be eligible for £10k per property. Literally everything Tories do is built on the core principle of funneling money to property owners. Rashford should relaunch his campaign on the basis that if the government provides meals for children, their parents will have more money to pay rent. It would sail through.
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Trump administration has been taking notes: https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1319045495390638083?s=20
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Juche Couture posted:Had an interesting chat with someone yesterday and by interesting I mean death to landlords and tories. Yeah someone I know who is a freelancer has somehow got a covid loan of £50k that he didn't need and shoved the lot into the stock market (mind you his track record of investing is quite crap so he might be in for a big shock when he has to repay it.)
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Comrade Fakename posted:Trump administration has been taking notes:
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Comrade Fakename posted:Trump administration has been taking notes: Eventually, these false anti-semitism claims against those opposing the brutal Israeli regime must surely backfire against Jewish people who may be the victims of genuine anti-semitism? Won't they? 
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peanut- posted:So every small business engaged in actual trade will be eligible for £10k of support total while every twat with a bunch of holiday lets will be eligible for £10k per property. Cornwall Council has had to pay out 50m, at least a quarter, of its small business grants to holiday let owners - and because they are small businesses they don't pay council tax or business rates. They're just leeches.
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namesake posted:No but currently that's not the case, the excess death figures for the first spike contain a majority mentioning COVID 19 as you would expect. Furthermore it ignores the toll on physical and mental health of requiring workers to operate in environments which either are or are believed to be unsafe which will have a cost of its own. The countries that handled it well had effective track/trace regimes and mitigated the consequences of actions not that they just locked down harder and nothing else. There's obviously trade offs with regards to lock down measures and unfortunately that's the only lever our incompetent government can/will pull. Just because you can effectively mitigate the trade off doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The lack of support to regions going into further restrictions demonstrates this problem.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:The countries that handled it well had effective track/trace regimes and mitigated the consequences of actions not that they just locked down harder and nothing else. There's obviously trade offs with regards to lock down measures and unfortunately that's the only lever our incompetent government can/will pull. Just because you can effectively mitigate the trade off doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The lack of support to regions going into further restrictions demonstrates this problem. If your response is done well there isn't a trade off as there's limits to deaths and economic impact, if your response is bad then there still isn't really a trade off because either everything gets worse together or you take a similarly bad economic hit and increase the total deaths. Keeping most things open in the UK right now is a far cry from normal or profitable economic activity and the framing of such to cover for maliciousness/incompetence from the government is wrong. The fact that they are framing it as a dichotomy around individual financial/physical health is wrong at the core in a moral and economic sense.
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Oh dear me posted:Cornwall Council has had to pay out 50m, at least a quarter, of its small business grants to holiday let owners - and because they are small businesses they don't pay council tax or business rates. They're just leeches. And the owner's don't live there so that money leaves the county entirely!
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Eventually, these false anti-semitism claims against those opposing the brutal Israeli regime must surely backfire against Jewish people who may be the victims of genuine anti-semitism? Won't they? I think it's already happening, and I'm fairly sure thats a feature rather than a flaw of the strategy given it's being pushed by nazis.
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namesake posted:If your response is done well there isn't a trade off as there's limits to deaths and economic impact, if your response is bad then there still isn't really a trade off because either everything gets worse together or you take a similarly bad economic hit and increase the total deaths. Keeping most things open in the UK right now is a far cry from normal or profitable economic activity and the framing of such to cover for maliciousness/incompetence from the government is wrong. The fact that they are framing it as a dichotomy around individual financial/physical health is wrong at the core in a moral and economic sense. If there wasn't a trade off you wouldn't need to mitigate the side effects of your action. There's a reason that lockdown measures across the world have a fairly narrow range. Nobody is doing crazy stuff like literally locking people in their homes and having the army stuff food parcels through the letterbox, or declaring that all businesses must close until there's a vaccine. The UK isn't wildly out of line in terms of what restrictions it puts in place or the general advice given to the population in terms of safety (although has been slow to act in many instances); it's just been absolutely terrible at dealing with the consequences of these measures. Edit: To go back to what started this absolutely there's a reason to consider the effects of restrictions beyond ~~economy~~ and observing that doesn't mean I agree the UK is handling it well or making the right choices or that the consequences are impossible to deal with. Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Oct 22, 2020 |
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