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MrPablo posted:C|net has a summary of upcoming EV trucks: GMC Hummer EV vs. Tesla Cybertruck, Bollinger and Rivian: Electric trucks compared. Completely ignores the electric F-150, I guess it's not cool enough to just use a normal functional truck body instead of a luxury suv.
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pointsofdata posted:Cool article on a completely different EV: We've been thinking of getting an RV and towing a small car behind it. This would be great but it will never get sold in the USA,
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Oct 22, 2020 16:56
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Speleothing posted:Completely ignores the electric F-150, I guess it's not cool enough to just use a normal functional truck body instead of a luxury suv. Yeah, that's a good point, especially since they use the ICE F-150 as a reference point for the other trucks.
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Oct 22, 2020 17:33
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I mean they have a new hybrid F150 coming out but I don’t think an all electric F150 has been announced?
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Oct 22, 2020 18:06
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heated game moment posted:I mean they have a new hybrid F150 coming out but I don’t think an all electric F150 has been announced? They’ve shown/demo the prototype but I don’t think they’ve actually announced a production of it yet.
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Oct 22, 2020 18:08
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stevewm posted:Did anyone else catch that they put a US flag on the door trim? They specifically focus on it in the video.. Pretty sure that's part of the "Lunar" theme on the Edition 1, along with the spacesuit bootprints, and Apollo 11 landing site map.
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Oct 22, 2020 18:16
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Darchangel posted:Pretty sure that's part of the "Lunar" theme on the Edition 1, along with the spacesuit bootprints, and Apollo 11 landing site map. Ah.. I only watched the video and didn't see anything else about it. Didn't realize they had it themed.
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Oct 22, 2020 18:23
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stevewm posted:Ah.. I only watched the video and didn't see anything else about it. Didn't realize they had it themed. Engineering Explained covers it in their video - only reason I know. Kind of a neat idea, at least.
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Oct 22, 2020 19:15
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heated game moment posted:I mean they have a new hybrid F150 coming out but I don’t think an all electric F150 has been announced? Ford dropped $700 million on converting one of their plants to produce the F150 BEV. https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/09/17/ford-announces-plan-to-build-700-million-electric-truck-factory-in-dearborn/ Not only is it announced, but it is hitting the road in 2022. There were videos of the prototype last year. Friend-of-a-friend (aka take with a huge grain of salt) said Ford has been off and on loving around with an electric F150 since the focus EV. Until now there wasn't any reason to actually act on it.
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Oct 22, 2020 19:37
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Darchangel posted:Engineering Explained covers it in their video - only reason I know. Kind of a neat idea, at least. What relation does the Hummer have to the moon? They really should've made it a combat boot footprint and map of Iraq instead.
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Oct 22, 2020 20:12
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VideoGameVet posted:My big scare is driving to Vegas and not finding an available fast-charger along the way. If I get to any within 220 miles of the destination, I'm going to charge to 90% just to be sure. Also Barstow is after the big climb up Cajon(?) Pass, hills can eat up range. IIRC there's no more big grades after Barstow when heading North on I-15.
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Oct 22, 2020 20:17
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mobby_6kl posted:What relation does the Hummer have to the moon? They really should've made it a combat boot footprint and map of Iraq instead. I think they're trying to tactfully move away from the military image but keep the american pride with a nod towards the future. Which, good.
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Oct 22, 2020 20:19
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:unfortunately it is kind of an artifact of a weird French legal vestige for quadricycles so it's probably not viable in most other markets because in most countries you can't drive toy cars on the roads at age 14 Because of EU directive you can probably drive them in most of EU and the age limit is lower, usually 15 or 16. So if you are 15 you options are either one of these mopedcars or a normal 50cc moped. At 16 you get the option of 125cc bike which may be more desireable as it's highway capable. At 18 you of course would choose a normal car. In Finland there was legislation in process that would allow 15 year olds to drive normal speed-limited cars, but EU put a stop on that.
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Oct 22, 2020 20:27
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RZA Encryption posted:I think they're trying to tactfully move away from the military image but keep the american pride with a nod towards the future. Which, good. GM did have a hand in building the Moon Rover, so I guess it gives them an excuse to plaster their halo EV with throwbacks to that. Reminds me of this stupid-as-gently caress commercial they made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNzXze5Yza8
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Oct 22, 2020 20:46
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CannonFodder posted:How far is Barstow from Vegas? There are a few fast chargers there, including at the Love's where I had to stay in my truck for 15 minutes because a bee truck was not keeping it's cargo kept. My plan is to charge in Hesperia and then hit Barstow to top off during lunch. The station(s) in Baker look unreliable. I assume there are several fast charging stations in Barstow, hopefully near the restaurant area in the large shopping thing off the I15. PlugShare don't let me down.
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Oct 22, 2020 22:03
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Just got back from getting the Nokian R3s fitted on the Bolt. Definitely noisier than the originals, especially on corners. otoh my other vehicle is an ancient F250 7.3l diesel so my standards for low cabin noise are "being able to conduct a conversation at highway speeds". And we have snow in the forecast. Don't actually need to go anywhere this weekend but if it does snow I might take the Bolt out for
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Oct 22, 2020 22:41
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VideoGameVet posted:My plan is to charge in Hesperia and then hit Barstow to top off during lunch. The station(s) in Baker look unreliable. I'm guessing this is in the app too, but on the website you can see recent check-ins from people and they can tell you what worked / didn't.
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Oct 22, 2020 23:51
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CannonFodder posted:How far is Barstow from Vegas? There are a few fast chargers there, including at the Love's where I had to stay in my truck for 15 minutes because a bee truck was not keeping it's cargo kept. Barstow is about 2200 feet in elevation and mountain pass on 15 on the way to Vegas from there gets up to about 4700 feet. There are some grades on the way up mountain pass. From there it's back down to 2000 feet where Vegas is at.
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Oct 23, 2020 01:12
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MrLogan posted:Any strong opinions on the e-tron? Our local dealer has leftover 2019s heavily discounted. Software is dogshit beyond words, even fordpass/sync3 is better. Your tail lights will burn out, chargepoint chargers are hit or miss making road trips dangerous, the center console is comically small. The Audi dealers are extremely unhelpful because they have some weird vendetta against electric cars. Fit and finish is nice, the range is accurate, it's FUN to drive. You can absolutely rail through twisty corners.
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Oct 23, 2020 04:37
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Westy543 posted:Ford dropped $700 million on converting one of their plants to produce the F150 BEV. https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/09/17/ford-announces-plan-to-build-700-million-electric-truck-factory-in-dearborn/ From that article: quote:“The electric F-150 will have 40% lower total costs of ownership over its lifespan, and that includes when you factor in the price of the vehicle service and fuel,” Abuelsamid said. I really really really want to see their math on that figure.
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Oct 23, 2020 05:32
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harperdc posted:I really really really want to see their math on that figure. I don't know where that particular number comes from, but Consumer Reports recently released this report: EVs Offer Big Savings Over Traditional Gas-Powered Cars. There is a fact sheet and a complete report. The complete report has an explains their analysis and breaks out the savings by category (e.g. maintenance, fuel, etc). Edit: Fixed quoting.
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Oct 23, 2020 09:35
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MrPablo posted:I don't know where that particular number comes from, but Consumer Reports recently released this report: EVs Offer Big Savings Over Traditional Gas-Powered Cars. I've spent most of this past week working on TCO calculations for electric vehicles for work, so I'm curious how their assumptions differ.
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Oct 23, 2020 10:32
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Any opinions on the 2020 Nissan leaf s plus? Thinking of picking one up since the rebates and discounts in nj and fed are still pretty attractive.
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I'm a new (used) Bolt owner now, apparently. About a month ago, my wife, who is an absolute gearhead and has never owned a car with an automatic transmission ('89 Mustang GT, two Jeep Wranglers, and a 2000 Trans-Am), told me "Hey, I'm tired of dumping gas into my car, so I've been looking for electric cars on Carvana. What do you think of these?" We settled on a '17 Bolt, which they appeared to have rather a lot of. I assume they're coming off lease? Anyway, we decided to pick it up in Birmingham this past weekend, figuring that'd be better than having to take off work to wait for it to be delivered. We called a few days beforehand, and they told us that the car would have at least 3/4 charge when we got it, which would have been plenty to get us home (about a 90-mile drive to Montgomery). That was not what happened. It got delivered to the Birmingham Carvana facility dead-rear end empty. They plugged it in as soon as they got it, but they don't have a level-2 charger there, so it only had like 50 miles range on it by the time we got there. And because Alabama, the only fast-charging stations available downtown turn out to be for city fleet cars only. We ended up driving to a Whole Foods that had closed (permanently) but happily still had their EV charging posts turned on. It took a while, but we finally got enough charge into the thing to get us home. Carvana apologized profusely, and extended their 7-day trial a few days for us to compensate. I'm currently waiting for the electrician to show up to install our 220v outlet for our level-2 charger, and my wife took the Bolt to work for the first time this morning. It had finally filled the battery on 120v charging enough for her to test out her 65-mile commute (she teaches at a rural school). Once she gets home, we'll plug it back in and make sure it can charge overnight enough for her to use it every day. If it does, we're sold.
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Oct 23, 2020 15:09
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harperdc posted:From that article: Depending on your industry, a F-150 used as a work vehicle can easily go through more than a tank of gas every week. That's $50-100 every week on gasoline over the 8+ year life of the truck.
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Oct 23, 2020 15:58
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SnatchRabbit posted:Any opinions on the 2020 Nissan leaf s plus? Thinking of picking one up since the rebates and discounts in nj and fed are still pretty attractive. I was going to test drive one but ended up just buying a Niro instead. My wife's cousin is very pro EV and has an old Leaf that he absolutely loves but he says there's no way he'd buy a new one now. The 2020 model is really just a facelift of a 4+ year old car and technology has moved on an awful lot since then. Also, at least in the UK you can only get the long range model in the higher trims that come with a large subwoofer bolted down in the middle of the boot which is really impractical.
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Oct 23, 2020 16:32
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-40% TCO sounds ambitious based on the TCO numbers I've seen and run, but they're definitely right that TCO is significantly lower for EVs.
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Oct 23, 2020 16:36
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Figure in maintenance into the TCO as well.
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mobby_6kl posted:What relation does the Hummer have to the moon? They really should've made it a combat boot footprint and map of Iraq instead. gently caress if I know.   but a bit less militaristic?fake e: f,b: RZA Encryption posted:I think they're trying to tactfully move away from the military image but keep the american pride with a nod towards the future. Which, good. Nfcknblvbl posted:GM did have a hand in building the Moon Rover, so I guess it gives them an excuse to plaster their halo EV with throwbacks to that. Nah, we "work hard" because our corporate overlords love money more than anything else, and don't *let* us relax a minute, and don't pay us enough to stop working.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:GM did have a hand in building the Moon Rover, so I guess it gives them an excuse to plaster their halo EV with throwbacks to that. Oh yeah I member that ad. The funniest part is that it's for a loving ELR lol
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Oct 23, 2020 18:59
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harperdc posted:I've spent most of this past week working on TCO calculations for electric vehicles for work, so I'm curious how their assumptions differ. I don't know if this helps, but below are the salient bits from the complete report. From the "Key Findings" section in "Chapter 2: Maintenance: EVs Cost Half as Much to Maintain": quote:
From the "Assumptions" section in "Chapter 2: Maintenance: EVs Cost Half as Much to Maintain": quote:The data were filtered to remove: From the "Key Findings" section in "Chapter 3: Fuel Costs: No More Trips to the Gas Station": quote:
I can't really excerpt the "Approach" section of chapter 3 without cutting out useful information, but here's my best attempt: quote:The first step in this analysis was determining what fraction of a consumer’s charging could typically be done at home. One commonly used approach is to calculate what’s called a utility factor, which is an estimate of the fraction of total miles driven by a typical driver that could be completed by an EV that charges only at home once a day. Using data from over 100,000 consumer trips, researchers at the Argonne National Laboratory developed an equation for a BEV utility factor as a function of that EV’s range.17 The utility factors calculated by ANL are shown in Table 3.1. From the "Key Findings" section of "Chapter 4: Current EV Ownership Costs: Adding Up the Savings": quote:
From the "Approach" section of "Chapter 4: Current EV Ownership Costs: Adding Up the Savings": quote:This analysis focuses on model year 2020 and 2021 BEVs and PHEVs. It brings together depreciation, financing, fuel, and repair and maintenance costs, and compares them with similar ICE vehicles. It does not include other vehicle ownership costs, such as sales or property taxes, registration fees, and insurance. These costs are also important, but they vary much more by location and driver demographics and history, and are more challenging to generalize. Furthermore, the cost of installing a home Level 2 charger is also not included. There is also a chapter about used EVs, but the approach is identical to chapter 4. Detailed findings are covered in the "Detailed Findings" section of each chapter, and there are links to the data sources and appendices with supplemental information.
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https://twitter.com/HannahElliott/status/1319684822059548672?s=20 This definitely seems like an appropriate vehicle to have on public roads. Good thing the belt lines are so high so the cops can’t see me recording my latest TikTok.
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Oct 23, 2020 19:24
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mobby_6kl posted:I thought it was Boeing but reading the wiki, looks like GM was in fact involved. Still, kind of a stretch to plaster this over the Hummer. that ad slaps because it is 100% him playing Robert Quarles from Justified
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They could repeat the tests in this video https://www.wthr.com/article/news/i...60-3363f0954b3b with like 4 or 5 year olds standing in front of it, and still have similar blind spot distances.
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SnatchRabbit posted:Any opinions on the 2020 Nissan leaf s plus? Thinking of picking one up since the rebates and discounts in nj and fed are still pretty attractive. I'm suspicious they wouldn't do that well in the small-overlap crash test cause they didn't bother testing it for the 2nd gen, and the 1st gen did poorly. Most people don't look at that though.
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:https://twitter.com/HannahElliott/status/1319684822059548672?s=20 She might be just tiny. I think the Engineering Explained guy was above roof height. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:that ad slaps because it is 100% him playing Robert Quarles from Justified
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:https://twitter.com/HannahElliott/status/1319684822059548672?s=20 Holy poo poo this is huge. I guess that's what you're after when you're buying a Hummer, but still.
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mobby_6kl posted:She might be just tiny. I think the Engineering Explained guy was above roof height. 
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:-40% TCO sounds ambitious based on the TCO numbers I've seen and run, but they're definitely right that TCO is significantly lower for EVs. It does sound ambitious but I won't be completely surprised if it turns out to be close to reality. I was involved in maintenance tracking for a small fleet of F150s and F250s used for work and between the insane fuel use of the gas engines, the eye-watering repair costs if anything breaks on a diesel, and the ridiculous costs of brake jobs they all get expensive in a hurry. Really curious what problems show up when you regularly dip an EV's rear axle in salt water launching a boat or how regenerative braking and trailer brakes are going to be integrated.
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