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uncop posted:I don’t understand what’s going on here anymore, what does blowing up a Stalin statue have in common with equating USSR and Nazi Germany as genocidaires and those responsible for WW2? People can build and blow up as many Stalin statues as they want. That’s making GBS threads on just one dude who people had legitimate grivances with, rather than the memory of countless heroic people who did literally nothing wrong. Who ever attacked the people of the USSR?
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# ? Aug 26, 2020 19:32 |
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https://twitter.com/jrteruel/status/1298486235116249089
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# ? Aug 26, 2020 19:36 |
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steinrokkan posted:Who ever attacked the people of the USSR? the people trying to categorise them with the nazis?
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# ? Aug 26, 2020 19:50 |
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steinrokkan posted:Any sort of remembrance, no matter how framed, no matter how humble, will be portrayed as Holocaust apologia by the professional goalpost moving crew. After all the people who would mourn the victims of Stalinism don't even deserve to be alive, as we all know. no it won't, gently caress off
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# ? Aug 26, 2020 19:52 |
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https://twitter.com/DanBoeckner/status/1297761296256053248
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# ? Aug 26, 2020 19:53 |
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V. Illych L. posted:the people trying to categorise them with the nazis? Sayig that the government killed people isn't a attack on the citizens, unless you are an ultranationalist nutjob.
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# ? Aug 26, 2020 19:59 |
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OhFunny posted:Any thoughts on the recent talks between Serbia and Kosovo on potential land swaps? Do you have a link?
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# ? Aug 26, 2020 19:59 |
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Oh look! If it isn't the professional goalpost moving crew, here to portray Black Ribbon Day as Holocaust apologia. Listen, Black Ribbon Day is a very humble remembrance, and it's absolutely well-framed besides.
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# ? Aug 26, 2020 20:01 |
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Lawman 0 posted:Do you have a link? An article from Politico: https://www.politico.eu/article/a-balkan-border-change-the-west-eu-should-welcome-kosovo-serbia-land-swap/ A more comprehensive video on this that includes the domestic struggle over this in Kosovo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlPVWAjz_LE The areas in question:
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# ? Aug 26, 2020 20:42 |
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steinrokkan posted:Sayig that the government killed people isn't a attack on the citizens, unless you are an ultranationalist nutjob. Lol the period under intense focus here is WW2, the Black Ribbon day is literally designated after the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. How in the world do you propose the government and the people can be separated, huh? The millions of Red Army conscripts and millions more civilians that eagerly supported the military operations worked as part of or hand in hand with the government! If you designate the government as criminal, the only debate to be had about its intense supporters is whether they were criminals, fools or forced. You know, approximately the discussion we have been having about Wehrmacht conscripts and the civilian supporters of the Nazi war machine for decades. Even outside the war, guess where people most interested in serving and improving society tended to go in the USSR? How about... government posts? So now, we are forced to debate whether some medical scientist was a servant of humanity or an aide to the worst criminal acts of the century because they directly helped the government keep its legitimacy and support. If anyone had wanted to spare those millions of regular people from being discussed in that fashion, the day of remembrance could easily have been framed differently. The framing was a conscious decision: it's anybody's guess how shamelessly and consciously propagandistic it was, but what's for certain is that the people making it didn't have an ounce of respect for the millions of people who fought for humanity in complete honesty and good will.
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# ? Aug 27, 2020 06:49 |
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it's just a smol remembrance https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1298062591634309121
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uncop posted:Lol the period under intense focus here is WW2, the Black Ribbon day is literally designated after the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. How in the world do you propose the government and the people can be separated, huh? The millions of Red Army conscripts and millions more civilians that eagerly supported the military operations worked as part of or hand in hand with the government! If you designate the government as criminal, the only debate to be had about its intense supporters is whether they were criminals, fools or forced. You know, approximately the discussion we have been having about Wehrmacht conscripts and the civilian supporters of the Nazi war machine for decades. I guess you are right, so an American mailman is responsible for MKULTRA. Prtty much the only thing that is remembered at least in the Czech Republic are the post-war show trials (that mostly killed socialist politicians) and political prisoners of the 1950s (who again were largely socialists), I guess in countries like in the Baltics it's been coopted by fascists, but that's something they have to reckon with, if people there are stupid enough to go "Stalin killed my grandpa, time to go full Nazi apologist" I'm not responsible for cleaning up their poo poo. steinrokkan has issued a correction as of 09:59 on Aug 28, 2020 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:the Victims of Communism people are ardent anti-communists, and it is a form of anti-communist rhetoric, and a form of Holocaust denialism, to conflate or compare Nazi crimes against humanity to what happened under the Soviet Union. thinking a lot about this post, wondering whatever happened in the Soviet Union
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# ? Aug 28, 2020 12:09 |
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the fall of the soviet union was bad and europe and the world are worse off for it
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# ? Aug 28, 2020 15:18 |
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steinrokkan posted:I guess you are right, so an American mailman is responsible for MKULTRA. Come on, rather than being so incredibly willfully dense, you could have made an attempt to construct a honest analogy instead of this pitifully lazy strawman. It would have taken you a miniscule amount of time and brainpower to make the step to talking about e.g. if Russia and China hypothetically established a holiday commemorating the victims of the Nazi Germans and Americans at the same time. Then we might have had something worth talking about : who is to be held responsible for MKULTRA, genocidal projects, colonial projects etc, and would it have been fair to give the American people the same treatment as we have (IMO justly) given to the German people. Would you have interpreted such a holiday as a honest and neutral commemmoration that we should respect or a crude and blatant propaganda effort?
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# ? Aug 28, 2020 18:00 |
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uncop posted:Come on, rather than being so incredibly willfully dense, you could have made an attempt to construct a honest analogy instead of this pitifully lazy strawman. It would have taken you a miniscule amount of time and brainpower to make the step to talking about e.g. if Russia and China hypothetically established a holiday commemorating the victims of the Nazi Germans and Americans at the same time. The goalpost moving crew is back to invent a very ostentatious, not at all humble remembrance. And the terrible framing... I can barely believe it. Your hypothetical remembrance can not fairly be compared to Black Ribbon Day.
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# ? Aug 28, 2020 18:22 |
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:The goalpost moving crew is back to invent a very ostentatious, not at all humble remembrance. And the terrible framing... I can barely believe it. Your hypothetical remembrance can not fairly be compared to Black Ribbon Day. lol
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# ? Aug 28, 2020 19:48 |
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lmao what the https://twitter.com/AndreaCeres01/status/1300848071060918274
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# ? Sep 5, 2020 20:29 |
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What's the deal behind Conte anyway https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1311739116875214854
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# ? Oct 2, 2020 18:20 |
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i was looking for an old post re italy and i found this from december 2018 and now i dont know anythingByolante posted:The reason vaccines must be mandatory is that a small number of people can't be vaccinated for medical reasons and without herd immunity they will die. Italy is a shithole. Carthag Tuek posted:true, except the world is a shithole so the antivax idiocy is everywhere Grape posted:That is a very crowded chair right now.
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# ? Oct 2, 2020 18:50 |
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Golden dawn just got made a criminal organidation. Acab https://twitter.com/mathaiaus/status/1313771301375406082?s=19
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# ? Oct 7, 2020 12:16 |
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https://twitter.com/edolinsky/status/1318451238808264711
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# ? Oct 20, 2020 08:43 |
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Polish government delegalised abortion for basically any reason. In response, a protest broke out in front of Kaczynski's home - he's the de facto ruler of Poland. https://www.facebook.com/GazetaZoliborza/videos/347065926520639/
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# ? Oct 23, 2020 00:11 |
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Note that 10 out of 10 local chairmen for NB allow actual neo-nazis in their ranks and their leader uses racial slurs on national television.
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# ? Oct 23, 2020 07:54 |
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why's denmark having a populist rise, isnt the socdem state holding on still?
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# ? Oct 23, 2020 09:54 |
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Honest Thief posted:why's denmark having a populist rise, isnt the socdem state holding on still? there's broad consensus on the looting of the welfare state across scandinavia. the danish social democrats have presided over some really serious rollbacks and privatisations in the recent past, the swedish social democrats are bending over backwards for amazon and the norwegians seem to be in total disarray a year out from an important election and have jettisoned a ton of support by insisting on ever-closer alignment with the EU bandit regime
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# ? Oct 23, 2020 10:27 |
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also denmark is *shockingly* racist as a society so outright appalling poo poo like this is to be expected
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# ? Oct 23, 2020 10:28 |
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Mette Frederiksen seems like someone Priti Patel might find distasteful for the cruelty she wishes to inflict on displaced peoples
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# ? Oct 23, 2020 10:39 |
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for the rest of scandiland i'd say that racial anxieties and resentments play a significant but much less pronounced role in our politics compared to the actual big empires, especially the anglo countries denmark, bizarrely, has gone totally overboard and not being actively chauvinist is a sign that you're not serious about seeking power. it's hosed up
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Honest Thief posted:why's denmark having a populist rise, isnt the socdem state holding on still? They were getting crushed in the polls until they started trying to out-racist the Danish People's Party. It's been a roaring success. 28% of the population wants Muslims ethnically cleansed from the country while 26.7% are unsure.
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# ? Oct 23, 2020 11:14 |
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https://twitter.com/JJansaSDS/status/1319567043218296833 if anyone hasn't known how much of a shitheap our current PM is lmao
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# ? Oct 23, 2020 11:14 |
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i really should have moved to scandinavia in my 20s when that fourth of the population at least kept their mouths shut and the money kept rolling
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# ? Oct 23, 2020 11:28 |
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I feel like The New Right doesn't entirely get across the name/brand? It's literally New Bourgeoisie, like their brand is specifically respectable/intellectual fascists as opposed to the populist/street thug kind.V. Illych L. posted:for the rest of scandiland i'd say that racial anxieties and resentments play a significant but much less pronounced role in our politics compared to the actual big empires, especially the anglo countries SplitSoul posted:They were getting crushed in the polls until they started trying to out-racist the Danish People's Party. It's been a roaring success.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I feel like The New Right doesn't entirely get across the name/brand? It's literally New Bourgeoisie, like their brand is specifically respectable/intellectual fascists as opposed to the populist/street thug kind. Reminder that Rasmus Paludan was literally a candidate for the party until they were forced to acknowledge his "blood flowing into the sewers" speech. Numerous people have been excluded for condoning or inciting violence, including an attempt to burn a 16-year-old alive. Plus, as I mentioned, local chairmen on record for allowing neo-nazis entry. A Buttery Pastry posted:Yeah, when it comes to Muslims, our "center-left" is lovely-for-a-Tory/Republican-level poo poo. That's too generous.
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# ? Oct 23, 2020 11:56 |
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i think it actually is irreconcilable with social democracy, the issue is that social democracy as an ideology was fatally wounded in the early eighties and has been bleeding out ever since - the embrace of ethnic chauvinism is a defensive response to the collapse of the grander project. no longer are the social democrats representing a broad working class, they've collapsed into trying to be the general party of the common man which leads to a loss of ideological cohesion and some frankly pathetic displays. we free traded our way out of having a real mass base for our societal projects. loving stupid of us.
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# ? Oct 23, 2020 12:18 |
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also the translation 'new right' is fine imo, the anglosphere doesn't operate with the formal bourgeois/socialist party divide and it'd probably just be more confusing than good
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# ? Oct 23, 2020 12:20 |
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V. Illych L. posted:i think it actually is irreconcilable with social democracy, the issue is that social democracy as an ideology was fatally wounded in the early eighties and has been bleeding out ever since - the embrace of ethnic chauvinism is a defensive response to the collapse of the grander project. no longer are the social democrats representing a broad working class, they've collapsed into trying to be the general party of the common man which leads to a loss of ideological cohesion and some frankly pathetic displays. yea this. danish social democrats have basically become soft liberals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK92Q3Ktqhk
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# ? Oct 23, 2020 12:22 |
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SplitSoul posted:Reminder that Rasmus Paludan was literally a candidate for the party until they were forced to acknowledge his "blood flowing into the sewers" speech. Numerous people have been excluded for condoning or inciting violence, including an attempt to burn a 16-year-old alive. Plus, as I mentioned, local chairmen on record for allowing neo-nazis entry. SplitSoul posted:That's too generous. V. Illych L. posted:also the translation 'new right' is fine imo, the anglosphere doesn't operate with the formal bourgeois/socialist party divide and it'd probably just be more confusing than good V. Illych L. posted:i think it actually is irreconcilable with social democracy, the issue is that social democracy as an ideology was fatally wounded in the early eighties and has been bleeding out ever since - the embrace of ethnic chauvinism is a defensive response to the collapse of the grander project. no longer are the social democrats representing a broad working class, they've collapsed into trying to be the general party of the common man which leads to a loss of ideological cohesion and some frankly pathetic displays.
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i find it hard to accept that objection in the context of specifically scandinavian social democratic projects obviously they emerged under the aegis of great powers and a very peculiar geopolitical system, but the source of colonial dollars to prop up the norwegian welfare state in the thirties, fifties and sixties is not clear to me - the extent to which you can call it a racist doctrine at its core seems to me dependent on some fairly niche takes on the national question and imperialism, which while reasonable on their own terms aren't really what we're talking about when we're talking about racism in contemporary politics
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