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Mizuti posted:Normally I wouldn't tell a friend to avoid something so subjective, but ehhhh. I mean my take is it depends way more on what your friend is looking for which you probably, in hindsight, have a better grasp on than I would to be fair. (I also disagree with how bad your framing Blue Lions as a character study but again, friends tastes etc) Mizuti posted:I have no interest in playing with permadeath on, but I'm curious what happens to the game if you do. Short and cheeky comment: it becomes a much better game. Longer answer, permadeath in Fire Emblem has never been a game over except for the Lord/maincharacters/Failed chapter specific side objectives. When other party members die midchapter its always your call whether to reset for them and try to do the chapter over again. In Three Houses cases of course there's burning a Divine Pulse as an option in all these cases. People have also solo'd the game with Byleth and/or Lords so far, so thats a thing even without killing anyone off for memes.
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You also intentionally kill off most of your house in the speed run because the extraneous characters take up time
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Oct 21, 2020 23:34
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Path of Radiance is insanely reactive about character death. There's a bunch of variations on basically every cutscene in the first act, depending on who's alive for it. If you've played that one, there's a bunch of compilation videos on YouTube worth checking out just to see how different the tone can be. There's also a couple couple dynamic supports; one I recall is that Makalov has a support where he's picking flowers to placate his sister who once again had chewed him up for being a lazy fuckup, but if she's dead, he's out picking her favorite flowers for her grave and is way more somber and reflective. Most Fire Emblem games (I think Three Houses included, but with Divine Pulse I haven't actually let anyone die), just designate a handful of characters as plot-important, and if they ever "die" in combat, they retreat and are too wounded to fight again, but can still hang around to talk in cutscenes. I think this extends to all the lieutenant-type characters, like Seteth, Hubert, Gilbert and Hilda. All the plot cutscenes focus on these characters and the lords, and they're the ones who are mentioned in other characters' support conversations. It's pretty subtle, but noticable if you're looking for it. Like, Dimitri, Felix, Sylvain and Ingrid are close as siblings, but they will never mention anyone but Dimitri by name in their supports, because it's entirely possible that the others have been dead for five years by the time the conversation takes place.
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Oct 22, 2020 02:28
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More reasons Path of Radiance was one of the best Fire Emblem games narratively.
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Oct 22, 2020 02:30
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Path of Radiance is insanely reactive about character death. There's a bunch of variations on basically every cutscene in the first act, depending on who's alive for it. If you've played that one, there's a bunch of compilation videos on YouTube worth checking out just to see how different the tone can be. There's also a couple couple dynamic supports; one I recall is that Makalov has a support where he's picking flowers to placate his sister who once again had chewed him up for being a lazy fuckup, but if she's dead, he's out picking her favorite flowers for her grave and is way more somber and reflective. In general this is the reason why most FE games will only have a few characters in the majority of cutscenes. The other reason is that you may have not recruited X but that’s less of a reason in 3H. For PoR, this is Ike, Titania, Soren, and Elincia.
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Oct 22, 2020 03:38
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Most Fire Emblem games (I think Three Houses included, but with Divine Pulse I haven't actually let anyone die), just designate a handful of characters as plot-important, and if they ever "die" in combat, they retreat and are too wounded to fight again, but can still hang around to talk in cutscenes. I think this extends to all the lieutenant-type characters, like Seteth, Hubert, Gilbert and Hilda. All the plot cutscenes focus on these characters and the lords, and they're the ones who are mentioned in other characters' support conversations. Three Houses does change some supports depending on which characters are still alive and on your side. There's at least one support between Felix and Sylvain where they mention Ingrid, and they talk about her differently if she's not around anymore, IIRC.
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Oct 22, 2020 03:44
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yeah there is a tiny amount of support reactivity. it's kinda weird since it seems entirely randomly strewn about into a couple of supports but no others although most of the instances i can think of are stuff that i haven't confirmed myself at all, they just feel that way. like ashe and annette looking for annette's doll that gilbert gives her in a different support. would that have different dialogue if you didn't do gilbert's? who knows or marianne mentioning in one conversation something that sylvain says to her in their support together
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Oct 22, 2020 05:01
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I think it was brought up here earlier even that there's a support pair that requires a third character to be alive or else it won't trigger.
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Oct 22, 2020 05:11
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Most people miss these sort've twists and little touches because most people keep everyone alive on their playthroughs. It doesn't help that 3 Houses heavily encourages that and character death is harsher than in past instalments on a mechanical level further incentivizing using Divine Pulse to save people.
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Oct 22, 2020 05:54
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Yeah, the only reason I decided to say "gently caress it" and continue my CF run despite Bernie loving dying was that I bothered to train Shamir. Here lies Bernie, she almost scored.
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Oct 22, 2020 10:47
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What I did notice and find quite cool is if you recruit 1 character from another house but not a friend of theirs they react badly when they kill them in following missions. Also special dialogue if you make them fight each other
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Oct 22, 2020 12:06
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:What I did notice and find quite cool is if you recruit 1 character from another house but not a friend of theirs they react badly when they kill them in following missions. Also special dialogue if you make them fight each other
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Oct 22, 2020 16:23
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:What I did notice and find quite cool is if you recruit 1 character from another house but not a friend of theirs they react badly when they kill them in following missions. Also special dialogue if you make them fight each other Felix's dialogue for killing his dad and all his friends is low key some of the best stuff in Crimson Flower, yeah
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Oct 22, 2020 16:27
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:Felix's dialogue for killing his dad and all his friends is low key some of the best stuff in Crimson Flower, yeah Annette and Mercedes also have some amazing dialogue.
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Oct 22, 2020 16:29
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The most heart wrenching dialogue is talking to Dorothea after taking the great bridge and not recruiting Ferdinand.
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Oct 22, 2020 16:57
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Finished Golden Deer campaign today, was happy with the results. It has some unique and flavorful content, shame that it's so backloaded! It also answered most of the nagging plot questions that Blue Lions left hanging. I feel satisfied now. The final boss was kinda random and didn't tie into the political drama that is the game's backbone, but at least it created a nice symmetry between the beginning and end of the game. Claude just had to ruin the moment with a hammy friendship speech, though. 
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Oct 23, 2020 00:21
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Claude's speech was great. 
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Good to hear! I think you'll also enjoy Crimson Flower; definitely give that a whirl when you've had enough of a break to play through White Clouds yet yet again. As for Silver Snow, the difference between that and Verdant Wind is Seteth and the Church/Black Lions will replace Claude and the Golden Deer, a couple of Alliance/Almyra cutscenes are replaced with bonding with Seteth and Flayn, and the lore dumps go down a slightly different tangent because Claude isn't around to ask history questions. The Battle at Grondar is replaced with a cutscene, and the final battle is a different unique map. That is it. The final map is really good, and I like Seteth a lot more than Claude, but the content difference is real slim.
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Oct 23, 2020 01:14
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https://twitter.com/hi_im_nave_/status/1260210743175270403
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Oct 23, 2020 18:10
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How hard is it to recruit people? What level support do you usually need? I think I'm in chapter 7 or 8 and I'm only really trying for about 2 people and they're not interested so far. Been trying to gift them, bring them along for missions and have meals, etc with them for a little bit to no avail.
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Oct 23, 2020 22:30
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Suburban Dad posted:How hard is it to recruit people? What level support do you usually need? I think I'm in chapter 7 or 8 and I'm only really trying for about 2 people and they're not interested so far. Been trying to gift them, bring them along for missions and have meals, etc with them for a little bit to no avail. Pretty much everyone starts asking to auto join after you get B support, basically it rolls a random chance each week after that. The only people you can't recruit this way are those with supports locked behind time skips, like Ferdinand, I forgot off the top of my head who else. https://serenesforest.net/three-houses/characters/recruitment/ This is everyones requirements through the normal methods, if you increase support levels it lowers the required thresholds. You need to pay attention to the thing they say they're interested in and improve your Byleth's stats/skill in that area otherwise.
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Suburban Dad posted:How hard is it to recruit people? What level support do you usually need? I think I'm in chapter 7 or 8 and I'm only really trying for about 2 people and they're not interested so far. Been trying to gift them, bring them along for missions and have meals, etc with them for a little bit to no avail. It depends. Technically you can recruit them at no support level, but the stat requirements decrease the more you raise your supports with them. There's also a slim random chance every week for them to join you if you have a B support with them which bypasses the stat requirements. Who are you going after specifically?
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https://serenesforest.net/three-houses/characters/recruitment/ At C rank it's usually 15~ in the required stat, C~ rank in the skill. B rank reduces it further and gives them a chance to ask to join, A rank means they join 100% of the time, usually just a NG+ thing.
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It's basically very easy except for a few people who want stats Byleth will never normally have, like Ferdinand, who you'll have to deliberately go after by training armor, god help you. Once you get to New Game Plus it just becomes "very easy."
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Golden deer, I was going after mercedes and ashe only. This is all new to me so I don't know wtf I'm doing generally. I'm mostly spending the days off eating with my dudes so I can teach them with more motivation. I have no idea what my own stats even are at this point, haven't really trained myself up. Should I put more focus on myself? Basically doing the above and then random battling for side missions.
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Oct 24, 2020 00:02
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Mercedes and Ashe you should be able to recruit just by getting B-rank supports with them and they'll eventually ask to join you of their own accord. Taking them with you on missions for the month also helps build support with them.
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Oct 24, 2020 00:14
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My own guys are only around B level support at this point. I'll keep grinding them up.
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Oct 24, 2020 00:17
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Suburban Dad posted:I have no idea what my own stats even are at this point, haven't really trained myself up. You can press x to view the status screen for characters in a number of menus such as the calendar page for each week, preps before battle, and in the monestary. highlight your Byleth and you can see all his stats on his own stat pages, same for everyone else. You can raise Byleth's skills in battle or by doing Faculty training in the monastery. You should have had a tutorial on that by now. 3 Houses has a lot of menus. Rimusutera fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Oct 24, 2020 |
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Oct 24, 2020 00:33
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I know how to get to them, just haven't really focused on training myself. They do a good job mentioning everything but not going into enough detail (or I was overloaded during all the tutorials) for some things. I didn't figure out that my stats mattered until trying to recruit. Or that authority wasn't really used for class masteries like the other stats, just battalions from what I can tell. First FE game and I don't usually go for this genre so it's a lot to take in. I'm sure there's still tons of little things that I missed or could be doing better.
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The good news is the game is good at pointing you in the direction of things that will work. Your students will ask if they can focus on certain classes and those classes are good for them, so just doing that means that they will be alright. I would ensure you're always doing Choir Practice and as many meals as possible to get that valuable professor EXP. Also always be gardening.
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Deltasquid posted:Mercedes and Ashe you should be able to recruit just by getting B-rank supports with them and they'll eventually ask to join you of their own accord. Taking them with you on missions for the month also helps build support with them. I'm quoting this because when I was doing my first playthrough I also didn't really understand all the mechanics behind recruiting characters, and this is a really useful one. Ask the character to go on missions with you for that month. You can do this starting a couple months into the game. Make them an adjutant with Byleth and every battle Byleth engages in will build some support points with them.
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Actually you can also just park them across the map and everything they do builds support with Byleth IIRC. So they can fight some mooks without standing next to Byleth and still build support with you.
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Suburban Dad posted:I know how to get to them, just haven't really focused on training myself. They do a good job mentioning everything but not going into enough detail (or I was overloaded during all the tutorials) for some things. I didn't figure out that my stats mattered until trying to recruit. Or that authority wasn't really used for class masteries like the other stats, just battalions from what I can tell. First FE game and I don't usually go for this genre so it's a lot to take in. I'm sure there's still tons of little things that I missed or could be doing better. Right, you said you didn't know what your Byleth's stats were so I was just pointing out how you can find them. You can look up the exact stats / skill ranks the given characters need from Byleth to join you in the link Emi and I posted and just figure out from there if you need to raise something based on where your Byleth is at. Increasing support lowers the requirements. Like Ashe default just wants Byleth to have 15 Charm and C in Lance rank to join you. I mentioned the tutorial because it unlocks the ability to do Faculty training in the first place, which is the main way to raise stuff like riding on Byleth. Or you can do the B support rank thing with the given character, have meals with the character that both participants enjoy and you'll raise their support rank with Byleth pretty quickly, SerenesForest also has everyone's prefered Gifts and Lost Items too. Some of the default requirements are honestly really easy to get though.
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Deltasquid posted:Actually you can also just park them across the map and everything they do builds support with Byleth IIRC. So they can fight some mooks without standing next to Byleth and still build support with you. But generally, you don't want to leave that XP on the table. It's still more efficient to make them adjutants. Any mooks they fight/kill just takes experience away from the rest of your team. You lose less if they just get the adjutant fraction.
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I'm almost at the end of part one of my Crimson Flower unusual class route. Lysithea is doing really well as a Swordmaster, with both swords and bows. (I thought about making her an Assassin, but I think she needs the strength boost more than the speed boost.) I'm tempted to make her a Mortal Savant when she hits 30, but looking at what its abilities are, I don't know if it would be that great. The black magic boost does nothing for her, but at least she would be able to use magic, but on the other hand she's doing ok damage with weapons, so maybe keeping the swordmaster's crit boosting ability is better. Constance and Linhardt are amazing War Monk/Clerics. (Fun fact: The Japanese name for a War Cleric is literally "Battle Sister".) I'm leaving Constance in this class for the rest of the game because there isn't really anything else to put her in if I want to keep using fists. I MIGHT make Linhardt a War Master if I can get his axe level up to A, but it's not looking good due to his bane. I might have him instead switch to Grappler once he's mastered War Monk since the master ability looks like it might be useful. Leonie is also turning out to be a pretty good Valkyrie. She has good enough speed and strength that she doubles a lot even with the hit to speed from being a horse class. (This is Hard mode though.) I'm thinking of making Ferdinand into a Dark Knight just because it's a class I've barely ever used, and he can't go Valkyrie or Gremory. I might make Bernadetta a Holy Knight because it's a class that I have literally NEVER used. The White Tomefaire ability looks kinda meh when compared to Dark Knight's Black Tomefaire, but whatever. Edelgard is a really good Warlock, and I just got a Bolt Axe+ for her. I think I'm going to have her go Dark Flyer because her bane in Faith makes Gremory kind of unattractive to go for. Mercedes is finally doing ok as a Sniper. It took her most of the first half of the game, but she can finally deal some damage. I got a Magic Bow for her, and that helps too. She's probably going to stick with Sniper through endgame since I don't feel like grinding out her Lance ranks for Bow Knight. Hubert is also turning into a good Sniper, and I think I will go Bow Knight with him. Dorothea is a Trickster with a Levin Sword, and the Dancer abilities. She still does awful damage with physical weapons, but at least I can finally use her magic after sending her up through sword classes all game. This playthrough was a bit more challenging than normal in the early game, but since it's only Hard, and it's a New Game+, at this point it doesn't seem to be any more challenging than normal.
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Inu posted:Edelgard is a really good Warlock, and I just got a Bolt Axe+ for her. I think I'm going to have her go Dark Flyer because her bane in Faith makes Gremory kind of unattractive to go for. Ah, but think about it this way. Edelgard with her Armored Lord model and Gremory animations are hilariously good.
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Hello it's me, the guy still mad armored lord/emperor can't cast magic Edelgard has the least unique personal class and it's so sad. Like, claude obviously has wyvern lord but with bowfaire and bowrange, dimitri has the only infantry lance class, and edelgard has... fortress knight with +1 movement. Wow.
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Oct 25, 2020 07:13
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Saaaame. She's inspired by Arvis, let her use magic!!
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Amppelix posted:Hello it's me, the guy still mad armored lord/emperor can't cast magic Barbossa doesn't actually have bow range because it would overload on abilities otherwise. Which really means it should have it because wyvern.
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