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Yes, it's big. SUVs are big. All of them. Next: water is wet. Can we please loving move on? I don't care for the spate of gigantic vehicles either, but you're not going to make the truck smaller by whining about it. Don't buy it if you don't like it. They will build them as long as soccer moms buy them. edit: ah, geeze, what a page snipe. Sorry.
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Darchangel posted:Yes, it's big. You’re right. Let’s not talk about EVs, in the EV thread.
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Somewhat improbably, Valais is basically redneck Switzerland and there are quite a lot of Dodge Rams and other completely unsuitable cars down there, so given how popular EVs are here I look forward to meeting an electric Hummer occupying 2/3 of the Anniviers road this winter. This is just outside Sierre 
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knox_harrington posted:Somewhat improbably, Valais is basically redneck Switzerland and there are quite a lot of Dodge Rams and other completely unsuitable cars down there, so given how popular EVs are here I look forward to meeting an electric Hummer occupying 2/3 of the Anniviers road this winter. I bet that motorcycle has more HP than that car. This place looks crazy.
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Oct 23, 2020 23:44
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:You’re right. Let’s not talk about EVs, in the EV thread. Do you have some sort of disorder where cars bigger than a miata ran over your family?
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MrYenko posted:That Twitter account is owned by a woman who the internet says is 5’10”. I don’t know if that’s her in the picture, though. It's pretty obviously not.
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MrPablo posted:I don't know if this helps, but below are the salient bits from the complete report. yep, I scrolled through most of it quickly and downloaded the complete report for later reading/reference. but yeah I think the tl;dr is maintenance cost is a big improvement (I've worked in after-sales before so that makes perfect sense, despite what OEMs will want), and depending on charging costs, you either come out pretty neutral or majorly ahead on fuel costs. but yeah this generation (for the next few years) are still going to be a bit expensive to buy, battery costs are still really expensive, but I think in 5 to 10 years the revolution will truly be here.
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Saukkis posted:Because of EU directive you can probably drive them in most of EU and the age limit is lower, usually 15 or 16. So if you are 15 you options are either one of these mopedcars or a normal 50cc moped. At 16 you get the option of 125cc bike which may be more desireable as it's highway capable. At 18 you of course would choose a normal car. In Finland there was legislation in process that would allow 15 year olds to drive normal speed-limited cars, but EU put a stop on that. The AMI is so low powered it counts as a 50cc quadricicle so it could be driven at 14 in most of the old continent. The biggest selling points of quadricicles is not age tho, it's a different vehicle license from conventional cars(AM), most quadricicles sold here go to people who lost their car license (B) due to DUI strikes or other misdemeanor
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Oct 24, 2020 13:38
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knox_harrington posted:Somewhat improbably, Valais is basically redneck Switzerland and there are quite a lot of Dodge Rams and other completely unsuitable cars down there, so given how popular EVs are here I look forward to meeting an electric Hummer occupying 2/3 of the Anniviers road this winter. I laughed at “baby ribs.”
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Tesla installed my solar panels yesterday. 4 months from ordering to install. My roof hasn't caught fire yet. Waiting on county and utility inspectors then I can turn it on.
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I like big trucks and I cannot lie. AI amazed that car made for men with small packages is extremely large.
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MrLogan posted:Tesla installed my solar panels yesterday. 4 months from ordering to install. My roof hasn't caught fire yet. This is the ev thread.
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Oct 24, 2020 18:05
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Nitr0 posted:This is the ev thread. He lives in a mobile home.
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Nitr0 posted:This is the ev thread. I think you'll find it's v4 of the Tesla thread.
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Check my probation history, I believe it. However, I don’t want to say anything negative about our overlords for fear of being probed again. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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It has also served as the de facto alternative energy thread for car goons.
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Someone should do a survey of the fast charging stations percentage of up-time. Based on what I see locally a huge percentage of them are down.
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I said I’d never get a Tesla but the sales rep found a perfectly optioned, undamaged 2020 Model S Performance for over $14,000 off (MSRP slightly over $97k) and they offered me a lot more than I expected for my 2010 Mercedes - way more than I’d expect another dealer to offer. Seeing as I’ll have some undoubtedly expensive maintenance coming up for the MB (suspension for sure, brakes before too much longer, parts for which alone are gonna be like $4,000) I’m thinking about doing it. I’m kicking the tires so to speak and working on the financing. I’d ideally like to lease, put only enough down to get in the car, and have them write me a big check for the trade in that I could put in the bank and use to offset the higher payment. Unlike the 3 and Y, you can buy out a Model S lease but they lease terribly from a payment standpoint - Tesla doesn’t subsidize them at all and uses really low residuals. KBB low-end trade in value for a 2019 Model S Performance with 10,000 is still more than the price of the car would be so I don’t think I’d worry about being underwater at any point given they hold their value much better than other cars for reasons unknown to me. However, I could also apply the whole trade in towards equity and finance is at a pretty low APR. the payment would be lower doing it this way but if something happened to the values I’d be stuck with it - if for example they started depreciating like a similarly priced luxury car from another brand. I’m not really sure how to play it. Finally, I’ve hear insurance on these is ridiculous and that might kill the deal for me entirely. Still waiting on a quote but if it’s $300 a month or more I don’t think I can justify it. Any thoughts?
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No idea about the money, that's for you to decide. Although anything close to $300 sounds awful for the insurance, even Norway is cheaper than that. The car itself however is pretty well refined these days. You are getting a battery that will easily outlast the car's lifetime. It won't charge faster than an easy 1.4C, which is fast anyway since the car is so efficient and the battery so big. The new suspension and improved noise reduction makes it a very nice drive. They've gotten very good at the fit and finish on it over the years. The door handles are on their 16th iteration or whatever, they aren't too bad at all, but they will probably need replacing at some point. Not much money, if out of warranty. Where it will cost you money long term, outside of value and financing, is suspension parts. If you drive it hard, it eats bushings and control arms like Pac-Man. I think it's a bit too expensive, but still the best EV all things considered.
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Nitr0 posted:Check my probation history, I believe it. However, I don’t want to say anything negative about our overlords for fear of being probed again. Unfortuntly for you I did check your probation history.
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Shamino posted:Do you have some sort of disorder where cars bigger than a miata ran over your family? I know 4 people who've been hit by cars, including me. Am I allowed to discuss that EV in the EV thread?
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Ola posted:It has also served as the de facto alternative energy thread for car goons. The first thing a friend said when he heard we'd bought an EV was "But the grid doesn't have the capacity for people to switch to EVs". Dude, for a few thousand I can put up a lean-to shed, throw some solar panels on it, and not worry about my car's relationship to the grid. I can't drill my own oil although I might be able to harpoon a grey whale, drag it to shore, and render it into something burnable in the F250. Unfortunately it would take a lot of firewood, grey whales are still rare in these waters, and the locals would be really hostile. I think solar panel discussion is highly relevant in an EV thread. Far more so than techniques for hand to hand combat with a twenty ton fish.
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Hexigrammus posted:The first thing a friend said when he heard we'd bought an EV was "But the grid doesn't have the capacity for people to switch to EVs". Dude, for a few thousand I can put up a lean-to shed, throw some solar panels on it, and not worry about my car's relationship to the grid. I can't drill my own oil although I might be able to harpoon a grey whale, drag it to shore, and render it into something burnable in the F250. Unfortunately it would take a lot of firewood, grey whales are still rare in these waters, and the locals would be really hostile. Which is why energy talk gets encouraged. It goes hand in hand with EV's after all and is enjoyable to learnabout. What ISNT encouraged is some of the posting about wall of metal EV's, specifically when it's verging into something more like attacks on posters - that stops now.
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Hexigrammus posted:The first thing a friend said when he heard we'd bought an EV was "But the grid doesn't have the capacity for people to switch to EVs". Dude, for a few thousand I can put up a lean-to shed, throw some solar panels on it, and not worry about my car's relationship to the grid. I can't drill my own oil although I might be able to harpoon a grey whale, drag it to shore, and render it into something burnable in the F250. Unfortunately it would take a lot of firewood, grey whales are still rare in these waters, and the locals would be really hostile. Yeah, "oil is sustainable, because it's not me that will suffer!" is the basic fossil attitude. Not gonna rule out the fish stuff actually, we need sustainable drive shaft lubes.
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Hexigrammus posted:The first thing a friend said when he heard we'd bought an EV was "But the grid doesn't have the capacity for people to switch to EVs". Dude, for a few thousand I can put up a lean-to shed, throw some solar panels on it, and not worry about my car's relationship to the grid. I can't drill my own oil although I might be able to harpoon a grey whale, drag it to shore, and render it into something burnable in the F250. Unfortunately it would take a lot of firewood, grey whales are still rare in these waters, and the locals would be really hostile. I really don't know why marketers don't play up the energy independence aspect of EVs. I can't make oil, but I can put up panels or even just spin magnets around a coil of wire. For the "buy domestic"/"shop local" type: I don't know where the gas at my local gas stations come from, or who owns the refinery, but I do know where all my power company's producers are, and they're all in my local region.
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Something I wonder about that Hummer EV, it would be interesting to see if someone could build one with similar acceleration figures but using a conventional combustion engine. 1000 HP combustion engines aren't common, but it isn't like there are none out there. How different would such a vehicle be, how much would it weigh, would it still fit inside a similar sized frame? Is this something that is only practical as an EV, or could they have made one using a conventional engine that ran on conventional fuel?
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Indiana_Krom posted:Something I wonder about that Hummer EV, it would be interesting to see if someone could build one with similar acceleration figures but using a conventional combustion engine. 1000 HP combustion engines aren't common, but it isn't like there are none out there. How different would such a vehicle be, how much would it weigh, would it still fit inside a similar sized frame? Is this something that is only practical as an EV, or could they have made one using a conventional engine that ran on conventional fuel?
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mobby_6kl posted:Nowadays you can get it out of a simple blown V8, the Challenger Demon makes like 850 hp already and it'll weigh less than the 2 tons of batteries in the Hummer, although obviously you wouldn't have the frunk any more. I'd imagine the EV would be more practical with all that power though. Good thing Chrysler already answered this question with the new Ram TRX just going on sale now to compete against the Ford Raptor. Stuff the supercharged Hellcat motor in a factory off-road truck and charge $70,000+ (I think it hits $85-90k after options) for it. Quick google search says it does 12.7 seconds in the quarter mile with 4.1 seconds 0-60 mph. Do not quite as fast as the Hummer in factory stock form, but could probably get there if needed.
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In actual EV content, the Ford Mustang Mach E has caught my attention. A not tiny electric vehicle at a reasonablish price made by someone other than Tesla. My giant 6’6” frame has figured that it would be awhile before I could get a family practical electric vehicle, but this could be it. Luckily I shouldn’t need a new vehicle for a couple of years so I can wait for a model year or two for Ford to get the inevitable bugs worked out.
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mobby_6kl posted:Nowadays you can get it out of a simple blown V8, the Challenger Demon makes like 850 hp already and it'll weigh less than the 2 tons of batteries in the Hummer, although obviously you wouldn't have the frunk any more. I'd imagine the EV would be more practical with all that power though. Biggest issue with a 3 sec 0-60 gasoline Hummer is probably that the rebuild time would be close to the EVs battery range.
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Indiana_Krom posted:Something I wonder about that Hummer EV, it would be interesting to see if someone could build one with similar acceleration figures but using a conventional combustion engine. 1000 HP combustion engines aren't common, but it isn't like there are none out there. How different would such a vehicle be, how much would it weigh, would it still fit inside a similar sized frame? Is this something that is only practical as an EV, or could they have made one using a conventional engine that ran on conventional fuel?
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ICE engines solved the zero RPM issue with launch control but that definitely fucks up the drivetrain.
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Indiana_Krom posted:Something I wonder about that Hummer EV, it would be interesting to see if someone could build one with similar acceleration figures but using a conventional combustion engine. 1000 HP combustion engines aren't common, but it isn't like there are none out there. How different would such a vehicle be, how much would it weigh, would it still fit inside a similar sized frame? Is this something that is only practical as an EV, or could they have made one using a conventional engine that ran on conventional fuel? Car and Driver tested the 702hp Ram TRX 0-60 at 3.7 seconds. also averaged 9mpg over a 570 mile trip. The BMW M5 does 0-60 in 3.0 seconds with 617hp and 4262lbs, so it's theoretically possible, but i can't see any company making the effort.
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I asked over in A/T as well, but figured I'd ask here. I recently bought a Grizzl-E EVSE. I just realized where I was going to mount it, there is no stud. It weighs a hair over 6 pounds, and will be mounted onto 1/2in plywood with 2 included #14 screws. Is that sufficient? Is it super risky not mounting to a stud?
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:I asked over in A/T as well, but figured I'd ask here. I recently bought a Grizzl-E EVSE. I just realized where I was going to mount it, there is no stud. It weighs a hair over 6 pounds, and will be mounted onto 1/2in plywood with 2 included #14 screws. Is that sufficient? Is it super risky not mounting to a stud? What's the plywood attached to? It will stay attached to the plywood just fine. If the plywood is bridging between two studs and is properly bolted down, you're good.
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Deteriorata posted:What's the plywood attached to? It will stay attached to the plywood just fine. If the plywood is bridging between two studs and is properly bolted down, you're good.  Just the plywood between the doors, studs on either side where the door is mounted to
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:
Yeah, that's plenty strong to hold up 6 pounds. It could probably hold a couple hundred if it needed to.
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Deteriorata posted:Yeah, that's plenty strong to hold up 6 pounds. It could probably hold a couple hundred if it needed to. Awesome, thanks! I figured it'd be enough but I wanted some reassurance
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Orvin posted:In actual EV content, the Ford Mustang Mach E has caught my attention. A not tiny electric vehicle at a reasonablish price made by someone other than Tesla. My giant 6’6” frame has figured that it would be awhile before I could get a family practical electric vehicle, but this could be it. Luckily I shouldn’t need a new vehicle for a couple of years so I can wait for a model year or two for Ford to get the inevitable bugs worked out. Yeah it's what I've had my eye on as well and it still seems weird how little discussion it's generating
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PIZZA.BAT posted:Yeah it's what I've had my eye on as well and it still seems weird how little discussion it's generating I'm a Ford fanboy, and I still looked at it and went "meh". ilkhan fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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