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Cuba, an island nation famous for its healthcare system and constantly sending teams of doctors to help others... yeah I guess they'll do "ok" put em in the middle of the pack.
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CUba's healthcare system is probably better than most of Latin America's, but it's far from perfect.
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Grevling posted:Should have figured that, sorry. One thing that might be mildly interesting if useless would be making an alt history English without most of the early French loan but with somewhat more Norse influence, a bit like Anglish. I was being stupidly hostile though, I'm sorry  steinrokkan posted:CUba's healthcare system is probably better than most of Latin America's, but it's far from perfect. Talk about it. Here's a map of my bit of Latin America, where thing's aren't going so well. 
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Again, this is a political and societal / cultural failure, even a deliberately created one, which the map of readiness probably didn't count on.
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Oct 24, 2020 17:14
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Before 2018, America had a pretty good system in place to proactively respond to a pandemic, but then it was dismantled in order to pretend to be fiscally responsible while cutting taxes and increasing spending. Nobody expected that in addition to that, somebody would just purposefully choose the worst options in a crisis every time as some kind of bizarre political ploy. The CDC is usually very good as the first line of defense, but since it was crippled, all of America's broken social systems got the chance to make everything much worse.
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If elected president, I will revert the name of the CDC to “Office of Malaria Control in War Areas” till such a time as we can figure out what the hell is going on in there.
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Yeah. Though I mean, the US was very well supplied and prepared. But all the preparation in the world doesn't help when the people in charge straight up refuse to do anything about it.
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chairface posted:Cuba, an island nation famous for its healthcare system and constantly sending teams of doctors to help others... yeah I guess they'll do "ok" put em in the middle of the pack. I'm curious about Thailand being in the Most Prepared club. I'm No Data French Guiana.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah. Though I mean, the US was very well supplied and prepared. But all the preparation in the world doesn't help when the people in charge straight up refuse to do anything about it. Conversely, a lot of "unprepared" countries are also the ones who know a disease outbreak can gently caress you up, so they actually take it seriously.
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Víetnam, that has 90+ million people, has only had 40 or so Covid deaths and the first one wasn't until late this summer.
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I just noticed that the UK is supposedly the second-most prepared, while in the real world it got some of the highest deaths per capita. What's its excuse? They can't be buying into the whole Brexit idea that England is isolating itself from the rest of the world, because otherwise you'd think that they'd put North Korea a lot higher. Peaceful Anarchy posted:I'm No Data French Guiana. French Guiana, Greenland, the Falklands, Puerto Rico, Kosovo, New Caledonia, and I think Palestine?
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cebrail posted:God that way of trying to spell out phonetic difference makes me angry. They pronounce bath a bath, what a useful and not at all nonsensical sentence! It contains so much information! I once had a phonetic pronunciation sent to me via email as “Anna with an Ah sound” and I was like that was the worst way you could’ve explained that??
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Here's a bunch of experts saying the same thing as this thread: https://eu.jsonline.com/in-depth/ne...ine/3587922001/ quote:What the index could not have predicted — what stunned the nation's public health experts as months passed — was America’s lethargic and inconsistent response, and its failure to follow basic precepts of its own pandemic playbook. That said, I feel that it might be a pretty bad index even if you ignore the US, but I'm not a professional. Kennel fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Oct 24, 2020 |
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The fact that Sweden is also in the 'most prepared' group says everything really
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What if "throw them to the wolves and short the stocks asap" was capital's plan the whole time
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Mister Olympus posted:The fact that Sweden is also in the 'most prepared' group says everything really They were as prepared as anyone, but made the conscious decision to not do anything.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I just noticed that the UK is supposedly the second-most prepared, while in the real world it got some of the highest deaths per capita. What's its excuse? Their pathetic excuse for a leader speechifying about herd immunity right at the most critical time for preventing viral importation has a lot to do with it.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:They were as prepared as anyone, but made the conscious decision to not do anything. as opposed to the United States, which made the decision while unconsciously flailing.
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worst prepared according to that map: Somalia , which has had a whopping 100 deaths from coronavirus
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Jaguars! posted:Their pathetic excuse for a leader speechifying about herd immunity right at the most critical time for preventing viral importation has a lot to do with it. The government is still loving it up despite both actually trying now as well as despite having gotten cases very low between the waves. So that's probably giving them far too much credit. It's not helped by the opposition leader pressuring them to send kids to school ASAP claiming they have a "moral duty" to do so.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I parsed it as bath baahth barth
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Private Speech posted:The government is still loving it up despite both actually trying now as well as despite having gotten cases very low between the waves. So that's probably giving them far too much credit. It doesn't matter how many times I hear it, I get really hosed off whenever I hear anyone pushing that poo poo. We're in a global pandemic, the normal rules do not apply. The kids will not be irreversibly corrupted by missing some school. All it says to me is that you, the leader or politician either have given up or didn't give a gently caress in the first place. Goddammit. I guess given how far the horse has bolted I should really give up hope myself and switch over to numb despair like everyone else.
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Where the loving gently caress were these people before the pandemic? I didn’t see them driven by a moral duty to help poor kids with food, housing, healthcare, and many other things between them and an education.
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Oct 25, 2020 11:42
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Squalid posted:as opposed to the United States, which made the decision while unconsciously flailing. Well, yes.
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Platystemon posted:Where the loving gently caress were these people before the pandemic? well you know, the pandemic is making it harder for parents to labor for capital if the kids stay home, so the schools have to stay open as long as possible. that and something something education is necessary for a job something
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I think it's not shocking which countries were seen as most prepared. I also think it's not shocking that the governments of a lot of those same countries consciously chose not to act as they should have. I do think it is shocking that many of those political leaders are not viewed by the populations of those countries as massively failures who totally hosed it and caused a ton of needless deaths. For example, Rutte in The Netherlands.
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Oct 25, 2020 12:45
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PawParole posted:worst prepared according to that map: Somalia , which has had a whopping 100 deaths from coronavirus That probably has less to do with the Somalian government's excellent contingency measures, and more with that country's demographic structure + lack of reliable statistics. I'm just assuming that last point, but given that they don't even control large parts of their own territory I do think it's a safe assumption
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Oct 25, 2020 13:40
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Somalis do take better care of each other than Americans do.
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Africa as a whole has done quite well due to having existing pandemic response teams and being prepared to actually use them early.
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Phlegmish posted:That probably has less to do with the Somalian government's excellent contingency measures, and more with that country's demographic structure + lack of reliable statistics. I'm just assuming that last point, but given that they don't even control large parts of their own territory I do think it's a safe assumption I'm also willing to bet "testing for a virus that isn't super fatal*" isn't a top priority of a "country" that has been in armed conflict for decades and has very few resources of any kind. *Somali perspective here, compared to ak-47-related injuries, a spot of covid seems manageable. That said, Western democracy seems like it's uniquely suited for bad pandemic response, what with being a popularity contest and heavily infested with growth=good ideology.
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Jaguars! posted:It doesn't matter how many times I hear it, I get really hosed off whenever I hear anyone pushing that poo poo. We're in a global pandemic, the normal rules do not apply. The kids will not be irreversibly corrupted by missing some school. That's absolutely and emphatically not what they give a poo poo about.
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BonHair posted:That said, Western democracy seems like it's uniquely suited for bad pandemic response, what with being a popularity contest and heavily infested with growth=good ideology. There are lots of Western democracies, not all of which had a terrible pandemic response. And I'm assuming that when you said "Western democracies" you were excluding Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan and lol if you don't think these places are also growth=good zones despite the latter two having some of the best responses on the planet.
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Growth = good is just modernity, it may have started out within Western culture, but by now it's basically global, with the exception of a few religious fundamentalists. The bigger factor is probably individualism in the Western sense, gub'ment can't take away my freedom and all that. The US and the UK don't even have resident registers.
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Growth is bad and individualism is good
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It's more that America and Europe were not affected by the previous SARS and MERS epidemics, so nobody had any preparation for how to handle an outbreak of such an illness. Stuff like wearing masks without going into nonsensical paranoid conspiracy theories about it, etc. Or just having masks in the first place. Also of course it doesn't help that in America like in Europe, there's been a race to the bottom in terms of public service, with politicians literally campaigning on who's gonna close the most hospitals.
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How much did travel contribute. In the US you had numerous superspreader events that transferred COVID from a single flash point literally all over the whole subcontinent in matter of days if not hours. Europe is also super interlinked with extensive travel coming back and forth. In India COVID also followed migrant workers. I suppose in regions where travel is more regional and limited COVID was easier to slow down even with weaker medical systems.
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steinrokkan posted:How much did travel contribute. In the US you had numerous superspreader events that transferred COVID from a single flash point literally all over the whole subcontinent in matter of days if not hours. Europe is also super interlinked with extensive travel coming back and forth. In India COVID also followed migrant workers. I suppose in regions where travel is more regional and limited COVID was easier to slow down even with weaker medical systems. East Asia is also very closely linked, though with more mutual suspicion which may have helped. Taiwan got wind of a new respiratory disease in China back in December of last year and immediately dusted off epidemic plans and started to monitor travel. It helped that they don't trust China much at all and didn't wait for their government to officially announce anything.
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PawParole posted:worst prepared according to that map: Somalia , which has had a whopping 100 deaths from coronavirus 
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Count Roland posted:East Asia is also very closely linked, though with more mutual suspicion which may have helped. Taiwan got wind of a new respiratory disease in China back in December of last year and immediately dusted off epidemic plans and started to monitor travel. It helped that they don't trust China much at all and didn't wait for their government to officially announce anything.
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