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Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I was just looking up the Free Presbyterians (I have some idea they are one of the Scottish Christian denominations that does not do Christmas) and found that their website 'closes' for the Sabbath (today). So every link in the menu that you click takes you back to the 'closed' message. I wonder if they've configured the site to do that automatically or whether they have doctored a 'down for maintenance' page or whether an actual human sits there at 23:55 on a Saturday night changing it all?

Just a curiosity!

They believe that any change in the state of information of a system counts as work, being strict Kelvinists.

e: 281K is the current temperature here.

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mehall: Aug 27, 2010

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I was just looking up the Free Presbyterians (I have some idea they are one of the Scottish Christian denominations that does not do Christmas) and found that their website 'closes' for the Sabbath (today). So every link in the menu that you click takes you back to the 'closed' message. I wonder if they've configured the site to do that automatically or whether they have doctored a 'down for maintenance' page or whether an actual human sits there at 23:55 on a Saturday night changing it all?

Just a curiosity!

It's be pretty easy to automate

# ? Oct 25, 2020 13:54

Cefte: Sep 18, 2004; tranquil consciousness

Guavanaut posted:

They believe that any change in the state of information of a system counts as work, being strict Kelvinists.

:chefkiss:

# ? Oct 25, 2020 13:55

crispix: Mar 28, 2015; Grand-Maman m'a raconté
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Hello, dear

But the server that is serving the closed page is working on the sabbath :/

# ? Oct 25, 2020 13:55

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

They believe that any change in the state of information of a system counts as work, being strict Kelvinists.

Boooooooo

# ? Oct 25, 2020 13:55

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

crispix posted:

But the server that is serving the closed page is working on the sabbath :/

The server is predestined to SYN.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 14:06

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

crispix posted:

But the server that is serving the closed page is working on the sabbath :/

And presumably the techs working behind the scenes at the hosting place are also working on a sabbath.
Used to have a friend whose father was a strict something or other who did not believe in working on a Sunday so wouldn't buy any Sunday papers. Someone pointed out that it is probably the Monday papers that should be avoided too - he didn't like that.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 14:07

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

crispix posted:

But the server that is serving the closed page is working on the sabbath :/

In Judaism it's fine if the person working isn't jewish, maybe this works the same way? But you're not allowed to specifically ask them to do work or something so there's a lot of instances of 'brrr sure is cold in here! If only some non-jew would turn off the A/C!! brrrr' in my experience.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 14:13

Nutapii: Jun 24, 2020

^I love the Oven of Akhnai's lesson that rules lawyering is unequivocally how the Talmud should be interpreted.

Guavanaut posted:

They believe that any change in the state of information of a system counts as work, being strict Kelvinists.

Beautiful.

I don't know if it's still the case, but one of the wee free islands councils used to have a custom 404 page if you searched "civil partnership" or "gay marriage" redirecting you to a phone number. This was in 2015ish.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 14:20

Red Oktober: May 24, 2006; wiggly eyes!

Miftan posted:

In Judaism it's fine if the person working isn't jewish, maybe this works the same way? But you're not allowed to specifically ask them to do work or something so there's a lot of instances of 'brrr sure is cold in here! If only some non-jew would turn off the A/C!! brrrr' in my experience.

I came across �If only this elevator stopped on the 4th floor� when I was in New York a decade ago. One of the locals looked over his shoulder, saw a guy in full Orthodox clothing and pressed the button for 4. It was pretty interesting to see in the flesh!

# ? Oct 25, 2020 14:29

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Miftan posted:

In Judaism it's fine if the person working isn't jewish, maybe this works the same way? But you're not allowed to specifically ask them to do work or something so there's a lot of instances of 'brrr sure is cold in here! If only some non-jew would turn off the A/C!! brrrr' in my experience.

Could an observant Jewish person ~~ask~~ suggest Google Home or similar to switch their lights off on a Saturday?

Jewish mysticism is fairly open on what counts as a person, what with clay mans and such, but iirc the golems were also Jewish and so had their magic words removed so they couldn't work on Shabbat, but to my knowledge Alexa is not Jewish.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 14:33

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Guavanaut posted:

Could an observant Jewish person ~~ask~~ suggest Google Home or similar to switch their lights off on a Saturday?

Jewish mysticism is fairly open on what counts as a person, what with clay mans and such, but iirc the golems were also Jewish and so had their magic words removed so they couldn't work on Shabbat, but to my knowledge Alexa is not Jewish.

I'm given to understand that the most wealthy practising Jewish people use a whole range of automated switches and so forth to turn things on and off. (That said, I think there is some debate as to whether switching a light on, for example, counts as an act of creation and therefore is against the rules.)

# ? Oct 25, 2020 14:46

Comrade Fakename: Feb 13, 2012

Regarde Aduck posted:

Separating London off into it's own city state nation would make everyone happy. The place is that much of a cancer to the rest of the nation and London doesn't care about anything not London so no one would lose anything.

I wish I could forget the results of the 2019 election too.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 14:50

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

The server is predestined to SYN.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

# ? Oct 25, 2020 14:50

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I'm given to understand that the most wealthy practising Jewish people use a whole range of automated switches and so forth to turn things on and off. (That said, I think there is some debate as to whether switching a light on, for example, counts as an act of creation and therefore is against the rules.)

Yeah there's a lot of fridges, ovens, and such that have special Shabbat modes, but does a device that responds to voice ~~commands~~suggestions count as a separate actor?

The mystical tradition would probably say that because there's a chance that it doesn't do your suggestion and instead gets it wrong there's an element of personhood, but idk what the rabbinic tradition would say.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 14:50

happyhippy: Feb 21, 2005; Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup; Pillbug

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I'm given to understand that the most wealthy practising Jewish people use a whole range of automated switches and so forth to turn things on and off. (That said, I think there is some debate as to whether switching a light on, for example, counts as an act of creation and therefore is against the rules.)

How would they handle space travel when/if it starts happening.
If time is affected by the speed you go, does God condemn you for local time or real time back on earth.
Going to be loving annoying too for those living on Mars, a rolling 24 hour period that slowly moves 3 and a half hours every week.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 14:56

blunt: Jul 7, 2005

As long as we're talking about Judaism and what counts as work, this video is very on-brand for this thread, what with our love of city planning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPYp3lOOOrg

# ? Oct 25, 2020 14:56

Nutapii: Jun 24, 2020

Guavanaut posted:

Could an observant Jewish person ~~ask~~ suggest Google Home or similar to switch their lights off on a Saturday?

Jewish mysticism is fairly open on what counts as a person, what with clay mans and such, but iirc the golems were also Jewish and so had their magic words removed so they couldn't work on Shabbat, but to my knowledge Alexa is not Jewish.

A light comes on and it draws more power when you speak to it though - surely "making a fire"?

# ? Oct 25, 2020 14:58

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Nutapii posted:

A light comes on and it draws more power when you speak to it though - surely "making a fire"?

Is it you doing it if you say "hey Alexa, it's pretty dark in the lounge don't you think?" and there's a 90% chance it turns the lounge light on and a 10% chance it plays Lounge FM, or is there a second actor involved?

# ? Oct 25, 2020 15:01

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

The more I look at things like Judaeo Christian sabbath laws the more I see them as the end result of proto-capitalist bosses taking the piss.

Like they are told to take a rest once in a while, so the bosses give them the time they need to sleep and not die on the job. So they reiterate, we need to rest, once a week. So they give them ten minutes a week. They say it needs to be an entire day and the bosses say fine, you can do preparation tasks for the next day and it culminates with a thunder faced rabbi going 'Nothing! No work, no prep, no orders, not even lighting a loving fire, do you understand me? Let them loving rest you heartless cunts!'

# ? Oct 25, 2020 15:05

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Regarde Aduck posted:

Separating London off into it's own city state nation would make everyone happy. The place is that much of a cancer to the rest of the nation and London doesn't care about anything not London so no one would lose anything.

I mean, I'd be quite happy to live in the Socialist Republic of London, thank you. The shitheads mostly live in the Home Counties (and now the East Midlands), so you'd be quite welcome to them.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 15:08

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

Yeah there's a lot of fridges, ovens, and such that have special Shabbat modes, but does a device that responds to voice ~~commands~~suggestions count as a separate actor?

The mystical tradition would probably say that because there's a chance that it doesn't do your suggestion and instead gets it wrong there's an element of personhood, but idk what the rabbinic tradition would say.

I think alexa counts as operating an electric appliance, even if you suggest things to it, but I'm not a rabbi.

Shabbat elevators are loving annoying for example, because they stop on every floor and there's nothing you can do to interact with them. Happens in a fair few hotels in Israel.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 15:11

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

happyhippy posted:

How would they handle space travel when/if it starts happening.
If time is affected by the speed you go, does God condemn you for local time or real time back on earth.
Going to be loving annoying too for those living on Mars, a rolling 24 hour period that slowly moves 3 and a half hours every week.

I expect there would be some 'religious rulings' (what is the Jewish equivalent of a 'fatwah' or a 'mufti'?) it would be like in Islam where the rules about non eating etc during daylight are fine for near-Equatorial regions but get somewhat troublesome up in the extreme polar regions so there are several fatwahs about how to approach it.

I guess the essence of the Sabbath is to have a period of 24 consecutive hours in every 168 hours where the rules apply.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 15:14

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I expect there would be some 'religious rulings' (what is the Jewish equivalent of a 'fatwah' or a 'mufti'?)

Halakha

# ? Oct 25, 2020 15:16

ContinuityNewTimes: Dec 30, 2010; Я выдуман напрочь

Bobby Deluxe posted:

The more I look at things like Judaeo Christian sabbath laws the more I see them as the end result of proto-capitalist bosses taking the piss.

Like they are told to take a rest once in a while, so the bosses give them the time they need to sleep and not die on the job. So they reiterate, we need to rest, once a week. So they give them ten minutes a week. They say it needs to be an entire day and the bosses say fine, you can do preparation tasks for the next day and it culminates with a thunder faced rabbi going 'Nothing! No work, no prep, no orders, not even lighting a loving fire, do you understand me? Let them loving rest you heartless cunts!'

A modern understanding of class struggle isn't going to apply well to the bronze age, back in the day a lot of the landowners would have been religious authorities anyway and not a lot of people were earning a wage

# ? Oct 25, 2020 15:24

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/1320316654681792513

We're genuinely hosed because a sizable part of this country are delusional enough to think they lived through a war that happened 106 years ago.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 15:35

crispix: Mar 28, 2015; Grand-Maman m'a raconté
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Hello, dear

playing footballs in no man's land with the virus for the day :allears:

# ? Oct 25, 2020 15:41

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Bobby Deluxe posted:

The more I look at things like Judaeo Christian sabbath laws the more I see them as the end result of proto-capitalist bosses taking the piss.

Like they are told to take a rest once in a while, so the bosses give them the time they need to sleep and not die on the job. So they reiterate, we need to rest, once a week. So they give them ten minutes a week. They say it needs to be an entire day and the bosses say fine, you can do preparation tasks for the next day and it culminates with a thunder faced rabbi going 'Nothing! No work, no prep, no orders, not even lighting a loving fire, do you understand me? Let them loving rest you heartless cunts!'

My feeling is that it's more about religious power - the commandment is "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy", the point being you're not meant to do anything that isn't honouring God. You spend a day not even allowed out of your house (I have to say that eruvs really are taking the piss) with nothing to do but read the Torah, you're going to remember who's important.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 15:48

Niric: Jul 23, 2008

mehall posted:

It's be pretty easy to automate

The Wee Wee* Frees: known for doing things the easy way

* heh

# ? Oct 25, 2020 16:10

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/1320316654681792513

We're genuinely hosed because a sizable part of this country are delusional enough to think they lived through a war that happened 106 years ago.

This headline made me want to tear off my face and frisbee it into the sea, thanks

# ? Oct 25, 2020 16:15

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

feedmegin posted:

I mean, I'd be quite happy to live in the Socialist Republic of London, thank you. The shitheads mostly live in the Home Counties (and now the East Midlands), so you'd be quite welcome to them.

Those places are full of shitheads because of bigger king shitheads in London. Or do you think there's a genetic component?

# ? Oct 25, 2020 16:17

Roller Coast Guard: Aug 27, 2006; With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/1320316654681792513

We're genuinely hosed because a sizable part of this country are delusional enough to think they lived through a war that happened 106 years ago.

Give the gift of death plague this Christmas!

# ? Oct 25, 2020 16:22

Comrade Fakename: Feb 13, 2012

Regarde Aduck posted:

Those places are full of shitheads because of bigger king shitheads in London. Or do you think there's a genetic component?

Yeah, Jeremy Corbyn has a lot to answer for.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 16:26

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1320385478613454849

ShaneMcGowansTeeth has finally snapped.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 16:29

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Comrade Fakename posted:

Yeah, Jeremy Corbyn has a lot to answer for.

Agreed. Not purging the Labour Party was inexcusable

# ? Oct 25, 2020 17:10

ConanThe3rd: Mar 27, 2009

goddamnedtwisto posted:

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1320385478613454849

ShaneMcGowansTeeth has finally snapped.

Oh, good, we're just skipping to MGS 2, huh?

# ? Oct 25, 2020 17:34

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

I can't recall which goon is Our Goon in China - if you see this message, are you in ChengDu and does this recently opened bookstore actually exist?

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/surreal-new-bookstore-opened-china

(I can see that this big image is a rendering rather than a real photo).

# ? Oct 25, 2020 17:43

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/1320316654681792513

We're genuinely hosed because a sizable part of this country are delusional enough to think they lived through a war that happened 106 years ago.

If I were the government I'd just issue a press release saying we've proposed the idea of a ceasefire to the virus and we wait to hear back.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 18:01

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

https://twitter.com/ScotteeIsFat/status/1320337925289185287
https://twitter.com/Longtonian/status/1320364569890611202
Both of these are excellent and make me hopeful the school meals thing is actually cutting through. This is the type of thing that should be happening all the time to Tory MPs.

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# ? May 24, 2024 16:33

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Cutting free school meals is a great talking point to get people against the Tories. Because it's such a straightforward, uncontroversial bad thing, there's essentially no way even the redtops can spin it as a Good Thing Actually.

Like, you don't need to spend time explaining the context and doublespeak to the man on the street about why it's a bad thing, it's literally taking food out the mouths of starving kids.

# ? Oct 25, 2020 18:22

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