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https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/subject/religion/index.htm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyJ2azwmtoo Malkina_ has issued a correction as of 04:09 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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RasperFat posted:Lol I’ve never seen that before. yeah, though that's the only part I actually remember
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Pulvis Sumus posted:I'm a Buddhist chaplain working in a healthcare setting at the moment, I'll throw my two cents in. I'll start off by saying that I recognize the exploitation and destruction that has been engendered by religion and none of this is meant to ignore that - I want to be sensitive to the fact that religious trauma is real and I do not wish to be dismissive of that pain despite my involvement with religion. With regard to my own personal experiences, I initially found value in engagement with religion because in a period of great suffering I was desperately seeking some form of community within a capitalist society that pushes us more and more towards atomization and alienation with each passing day. As traditional models for community continue to breakdown, I find very little is offered up as a substantial alternative. Within religion I also discovered the importance of ritual and liturgy for making meaning out of our lives, for sharing grief as well as joy, for creating communal memory, for providing otherwise absent material relief/social safety nets, and for providing a way for people to explore the human condition together. Obviously, as others have pointed out, this has historically been done poorly, but I've encountered a number of healthy religious communities who've managed to do this in such a way that brings value into the lives of their members without traumatizing them with hateful baggage. I wish that was more common. I don't believe religion is the only way to accomplish community like this, but I personally haven't found many alternatives that emulate this well. We are creatures of language - we employ narrative and symbolism to organize our conceptualization of the world, and religion provides a way of doing that which can be aesthetically rich and meaningful in a way that I personally didn't really find possible with secular humanism since it by and large lacks the liturgical, symbolic, and shared communal life that is embodied in religious communities. Even if the literal cosmology is false, I think there are elements with these stories and symbols that have the potential to communicate profound insight into what it means to be human and can be the the source of some serious wisdom. Again, I will preface that this is my personal take on it, and I'm not dissing on secular humanism. If that's what works for you, more power to you. I don't think everyone needs religion, but I think there a lot of people who do end up finding a need for it in some way or another. I end up seeing most of my patients while they're in a time of incredible crisis/suffering/loss, and most of them, even those who don't have a particular religious affiliation, turn to the chaplain to provide some sort of framework for them to articulate their suffering. I don't provide concrete answers and it's certainly not my job to evangelize to them (nor would I find it ethical to do so), but I do help explore what it all means for them through these symbols/stories while providing a presence that lets them know they're not alone. I think that's what I find is the work of authentic spiritual praxis - alienation lies at the heart of the human condition, and the work of a healthy spirituality is to wake up to our relationality and the intimate existence we all share with one another. The material and social conditions engendered by capitalism, unfortunately, provides added difficulties in actualizing/realizing this. This was an illuminating journey of a post and it was a big disappointment to find out you were just stoned all along at the end
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for anyone out there who’s interested in stoned ramblings on religion and drugs I’m gonna recommend John M. Allegros the Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, which posits that Christianity originated as a psychedelic sex cult and that Jesus symbolizes the fly agaric
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Malkina_ posted:https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/subject/religion/index.htm After seeing Engels' facial hair megaphone there is no way not to believe in a higher power, if not necessarily a benevolent one.
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Zongerian posted:This was an illuminating journey of a post and it was a big disappointment to find out you were just stoned all along at the end Sorry to disappoint. If it means anything I sincerely meant all of what I said and I hope having smoked a bowl doesn't invalidate that. Les Os posted:for anyone out there who’s interested in stoned ramblings on religion and drugs I’m gonna recommend John M. Allegros the Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, which posits that Christianity originated as a psychedelic sex cult and that Jesus symbolizes the fly agaric https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtiMw0-akAM&ab_channel=Dscanner I find myself singing this with some regularity. Pulvis Sumus has issued a correction as of 14:42 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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Pulvis Sumus posted:Sorry to disappoint. If it means anything I sincerely meant all of what I said and I hope having smoked a bowl doesn't invalidate that. I don’t think drug use, especially weed, should really have a bearing on whether or not your insights are valid. I’m a regular smoker and I’ve done a decent amount of hallucinogens. They can be a good experience for personal journeys. I liked Buddhism and dabbled in it as a teenager. Meditation is helpful for calming your mind. I just find it falls into the same trappings of focusing too much on the human experience. The universe existed long before life did so anything that places too much importance on our emotions is working from a fundamentally skewed perspective. It’s great for introspection, but when we’re talking about the fundamental nature of existence it’s still off for me.
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Hodgepodge posted:yeah, though that's the only part I actually remember That scene was fun but I can’t imagine wanting to sit through more than 30ish minutes of that tops.
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RasperFat posted:That scene was fun but I can’t imagine wanting to sit through more than 30ish minutes of that tops. yeah, though it does omit jesus' sidekick, the luchador 'el sante'
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He changed the probabilities and ignored athletes demonstrating autonomic control and other talents that fit his standards. He's a carnie.
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RasperFat posted:You need proof that energy is required to make any changes in our universe? Would what Neo does within the Matrix be read by scientists within the Matrix as exerting energy?
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War and Pieces posted:Would what Neo does within the Matrix be read by scientists within the Matrix as exerting energy? If they could measure it most likely, but I’m pretty sure most people hooked up up the matrix by the machines could be pretty easily controlled/memory wiped anyways.
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RasperFat posted:If they could measure it most likely, but I’m pretty sure most people hooked up up the matrix by the machines could be pretty easily controlled/memory wiped anyways. if you can conceptualize dystopian AI memory wipes that then you can conceptualize an omnipotant God
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