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https://twitter.com/ifeelthewind/status/1318431963578073090 The Contra video has triggered yet another controversy because she decided to give her straw man character non-binary pronouns.
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Oct 25, 2020 09:29
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SimonChris posted:https://twitter.com/ifeelthewind/status/1318431963578073090 Hmmm the woman with a history of saying enbyphobic things making her strawman punching bag character enby. I'm sure there's nothing to read into there! 
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Oct 25, 2020 09:39
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It's amazing how much contempt that she packs into that one character that she considers what is honestly a pretty standard LeftTrans Twitter profile to be this massive strawman own on her haters. Seriously gently caress Contra, she's such a smug faux-intellectual. quote:vote shaming chat You're seeing this on the other side of the pond quite a bit now and it's just as tiring. Centrist/Right Labour spent 5 years sabotaging both the inner workings and public image of Corbyn's Labour in whatever way they could, to the point that there was a high possibility that Labour would have won the 2017 (2016? gently caress time has no meaning any more) election if it wasn't for staffers deliberately misplacing funds and support. And then they have the temerity to turn around when they stole power back and say "okay now vote for us for you're literally responsible for every psychotic evil the Tories come out with", just after straight up accusing Leftists of being literal Nazis for years on end. We're apparently not important enough to listen to and be taken seriously but important enough to tilt the balance of power on a whim.| Centrism never wins on its own virtues or efforts. It just defaults into power by people being so sick of explicit boot stamping into face, then spends its time doing the same poo poo with a smiley face and a corporate sponsor, laying the groundwork for another decade of boot in face.
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Oct 25, 2020 10:24
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*Onion Kelly voice* Contrapointless.
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Oct 25, 2020 10:27
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CYBEReris posted:*Onion Kelly voice* Contrabanned.
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Oct 25, 2020 10:40
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MonsieurChoc posted:Harm reduction doesn't work with Biden and crew because no harm gets reduced. It's a dumb argument that doesn't work in this particular instance. if you don't think term 2 trump will be an order of magnitude worse than biden send me some of what you're smoking
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Oct 25, 2020 11:56
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I’ve liked the argument it’s less harm reduction and more harm redistribution.
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Oct 25, 2020 12:02
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Dabir posted:if you don't think term 2 trump will be an order of magnitude worse than biden send me some of what you're smoking for the people who get to go back to brunch he sure would, but not all of us are that lucky. at the end of the day whether it's dealing with the boiling antagonistic hatred of republicans or being means tested into oblivion for the sake of corporations by the democrats with a smile the outlook isn't good.
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Oct 25, 2020 12:19
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CYBEReris posted:for the people who get to go back to brunch he sure would, but not all of us are that lucky. at the end of the day whether it's dealing with the boiling antagonistic hatred of republicans or being means tested into oblivion for the sake of corporations by the democrats with a smile the outlook isn't good. No, it's harm reduction for those people too. Harm reduction, not harm prevention. Vulnerable people will be harmed to a repulsive degree in a Biden administration, but it will still be less than the harm they're facing now. gently caress's sake, 1 in 1000 black Americans have died due to COVID-19. That said, I understand and don't resent anyone in that position looking at the options Biden is giving them and just saying gently caress it all.
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Oct 25, 2020 12:33
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Skippy McPants posted:No, it's harm reduction for those people too. Harm reduction, not harm prevention. Vulnerable people will be harmed to a repulsive degree in a Biden administration, but it will still be less than the harm they're facing now. gently caress's sake, 1 in 1000 black Americans have died due to COVID-19. If you shoot two bullets and kill someone instead of shooting twenty bullets and killing someone, is that really harm reduction?
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Oct 25, 2020 12:35
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CYBEReris posted:If you shoot two bullets and kill someone instead of shooting twenty bullets and killing someone, is that really harm reduction? if you shoot two bullets randomly and hit one person instead of shooting 20 bullets into a crowd with intent to kill and landing all of them with pinpoint precision, is that really harm reduction
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Oct 25, 2020 12:37
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To borrow a better analogy from someone much smarter and more principled than me, you can't stick a knife in someone nine inches and pull it out six inches and call that harm reduction just because the other guy left it in. The wound is still left untreated either way.
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Oct 25, 2020 13:02
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That's also a terrible analogy. Trump isn't just leaving the knife in, he's stabbing you again. Repeatedly. He is causing more harm than the administration before him (which, yes, was also harmful) and more harm than a Biden administration is likely to cause. Voting for Biden, while still harmful, is definitionally a reduction in harm. If that's not enough for you, that's fine and I get it, but the choice isn't even is remotely equivalent and making it out to be is disingenuous.
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Oct 25, 2020 13:58
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I can't form an argument better than this so I'll just leave it here to speak for me instead http://www.indigenousaction.org/voting-is-not-harm-reduction-an-indigenous-perspective/ quote:We don’t dismiss the reality that, on the scale of U.S. settler colonial violence, even the slightest degree of harm can mean life or death for those most vulnerable. What we assert here is that the entire notion of “voting as harm reduction” obscures and perpetuates settler-colonial violence, there is nothing “less harmful” about it, and there are more effective ways to intervene in its violences. if i had to boil down my point though I'd say calling the vote harm reduction is a gross insult to the people who experience brutal bipartisan oppression, like the black, indigenous, disabled, etc. activists who will be brutalized by the police Biden wants to increase funding for. vote for him if you want but these justifications only exist for your own comfort, they're not meaningful to the people who will unequivocally not have their harm reduced. Catgirl Al Capone fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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Oct 25, 2020 14:08
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For me it kind of comes down to "One party actively wants me and people like me dead" So... I get it, Biden sucks, the dems suck. The american Political system sucks. But you have one political party actively running on "Trans people need to be legislated out of existence by any means necessary" So of course im gonna vote for the dems. Who Suck. BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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Oct 25, 2020 14:59
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I don't disagree that if you vote, you might as well vote for the lesser evil. Which is why I voted Howie Hawkins. 
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Oct 25, 2020 15:06
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Edit: nah, not worth the argument.
Mokinokaro fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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Oct 25, 2020 15:11
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Saw your edit and I'll respect it and remove my response
Catgirl Al Capone fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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Oct 25, 2020 15:17
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Edit: let's stop the politics derail.
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Oct 25, 2020 15:21
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It loving sucks but given how brazen Trump has become over voter supression the US kinda needs to vote for the less bad sex offender this time around.
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Oct 25, 2020 16:00
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As thus the Democrats will make sure that the choice is always bad enough to say "wait till next time" to anyone left of Jeff Bezos.
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Oct 25, 2020 16:02
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So, Bafael has started a series on badly balanced characters in FGs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjS1imDYkVM He hasn't touched on anything egregious so far, but just in case you're a semi-casual player and you wanna understand what makes a character top-tier/bottom-tier in competitive FGs, it's worth a watch.
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Oct 25, 2020 17:05
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Re: that tweet thread- https://twitter.com/ifeelthewind/status/1318463713469468677 Mmm no I don't agree with this analysis. Tabby reads to me like everything Contra reflexively cringes at but also sees in herself and doesn't quite know how to deal with or express because they're all things she privately doesn't disagree with. I haven't been watching most of her videos for a few months now, but all the prior "characters yell at each other" bits were always pretty transparent reflections on Contra debating to herself about her own sexuality, identity, and politics and not having a satisfying answer to anything because they're all messy and difficult to navigate.
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Oct 25, 2020 17:12
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the quarantine is slowly killing brian david gilbert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbfu39l0kxg Nuns with Guns posted:Re: that tweet thread- lol at trying to read the psyche of a youtuber to excuse her failings.
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Oct 25, 2020 17:18
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lunar detritus posted:lol at trying to read the psyche of a youtuber to excuse her failings. Those videos are her raw psyche so idk what the gently caress else you're supposed to do with them? And I'm not excusing her failings. I've said plenty of times in this very loving thread that those videos are awkward at best and a dumb idea to share on her main platform when they're moment-by-moment feelings she has over any substance or fact, and are often things she moves away from (like she's already admitted she doesn't agree with whatever point she was attempting in The Aesthetic but that doesn't stop her from leaving it up there.)
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Oct 25, 2020 17:22
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lunar detritus posted:the quarantine is slowly killing brian david gilbert Yes! I can finally quit my day job and fufill my dreams of living in the middle of nowhere.
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Oct 25, 2020 17:50
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xtuczh5y68 In a spoooooky edition of Stump Sohla, we learn of Sohla's insaitable thirst for blood and just how loud Babish can scream.
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Oct 25, 2020 18:14
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Nuns with Guns posted:Those videos are her raw psyche so idk what the gently caress else you're supposed to do with them? And I'm not excusing her failings. I've said plenty of times in this very loving thread that those videos are awkward at best and a dumb idea to share on her main platform when they're moment-by-moment feelings she has over any substance or fact, and are often things she moves away from (like she's already admitted she doesn't agree with whatever point she was attempting in The Aesthetic but that doesn't stop her from leaving it up there.) Okay but what about the psyche represented by....all the 'cool' non-video essay things she's said about Non-binary people? Those don't factor in at all to your reading of it?
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Oct 25, 2020 18:27
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Nuns with Guns posted:Those videos are her raw psyche so idk what the gently caress else you're supposed to do with them? And I'm not excusing her failings. I've said plenty of times in this very loving thread that those videos are awkward at best and a dumb idea to share on her main platform when they're moment-by-moment feelings she has over any substance or fact, and are often things she moves away from (like she's already admitted she doesn't agree with whatever point she was attempting in The Aesthetic but that doesn't stop her from leaving it up there.) I think those videos are more the simple idea of strawman but like more theatrical. Like Hbomberguy did a similar thing but you weren’t supposed to take it seriously
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Oct 25, 2020 18:39
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Okay but what about the psyche represented by....all the 'cool' non-video essay things she's said about Non-binary people? Those don't factor in at all to your reading of it? I'm drawing a blank about what she's said specifically and negatively about nonbinary people. She's used a lot of thoughtless and exclusionary language and been terrible about admitting fault there, like last year when said a pronoun circle at an IRL feminist meetup felt performative and done for her sake as the only trans person (a maybe? valid feeling she responded to in the worst way when people pointed out the problematic way she presented it.) And she's been remarkably careless with her platform like the time she gave Buck Angel a line reading in that video without vetting his stances on transmedicalism. I remember her having a lot of defensive rages about people calling her out for both of those, but not specifically saying stuff about nonbinary people or genders. If she's done a reversal and gone hard in on transmedicalism, I haven't noticed. I've been trying to ignore her for the most part, since I don't really trust her to responsibly use the position she's in without occasionally turning her fanbase on vulnerable people in heated moments. CharlestheHammer posted:I think those videos are more the simple idea of strawman but like more theatrical. You mean the bits where Hbomb makes fun RATIONALISTS in fedoras and the horny cartoon furry intellectual? I mean, maybe, but I guess I saw those as more one-note jokes. I don't think he's brought either back as recurring "characters" with complex interpersonal relationships or had face-to-face debates with them as if their perspectives were on a level worth discussing. If Contra is intending these to be caricatures, she's doing a poor job of presenting them that way, but that does lead back into the problems I see with the videos themselves. Those videos she puts out between different personas debating with each other don't really have a clear point, and there's a lot of possible interpretations to pull from them. When Contra's main gimmick is putting out informative video essays on challenging political topics and knocking down lovely right wing talking points or personalities, mixing in "artsy" videos about two personas having undirected arguments with each other look like another political issue and people want to suss out what side she's taking. Except these are things she either seemingly hasn't decided what side to be on yet, or are subject to change as she grows and looks into poo poo more. e- I realized I didn't comment on the bigger issue of the Tabby persona using (she/them) pronouns though. Even if it is a reflection of any inner conflict Contra has regarding her gender identity, it does look like a tasteless joke in an offhand tweet screenshot and it's not an appropriate way to express that, in my worthless opinion. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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Oct 25, 2020 19:23
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Dabir posted:if you don't think term 2 trump will be an order of magnitude worse than biden send me some of what you're smoking Come into C-SPAM if you want a legit, long, exhaustive answer as to why Biden is as bad as Trump. It's a better place for it than this thread, and you might get out of it with a shiny gang tag.
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Oct 25, 2020 19:59
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Someone please say something either positive or negative about Zack Snyder or Modern Warfare, I'm begging all you.
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Oct 25, 2020 20:08
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Nuns with Guns posted:Someone please say something either positive or negative about Zack Snyder or Modern Warfare, I'm begging all you. Now who would do something dumb like that?
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Oct 25, 2020 20:09
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Nuns with Guns posted:Someone please say something either positive or negative about Zack Snyder or Modern Warfare, I'm begging all you. What if Snyder directed a Call of Duty film
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Oct 25, 2020 20:12
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Jamie Faith posted:Now who would do something dumb like that? It is my aggressively-held opinion that Captain Price wears a dorky grandpa fisherman hat. Fil5000 posted:What if Snyder directed a Call of Duty film I believe the Book of Revelations warned of that.
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Oct 25, 2020 20:12
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Fil5000 posted:What if Snyder directed a Call of Duty film It would be better than Spec Ops: The Line.
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Oct 25, 2020 20:14
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Super Robot Wars is a mecha anime mega crossover turn based strategy RPG game franchise with over fifty games. While the series has been almost exclusively a Japan only franchise due to licensing issues and general lack of interest in the west, they've recently ventured out into providing full English translations, ostensibly for the South East Asia market but with the side effect of making them very easy to import and play for English speakers the world over. Also a fun fact, the lead translator, and some members of her team, are goons. Alacron fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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Oct 25, 2020 20:15
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I think that’s the problem, even if you look at it in the most positive light, it’s still a character that most of the time exists to be owned. If you want to play to that fine but you aren’t going to convince anyone. No one likes to be strawmanmAned and that’s what this is.
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Oct 25, 2020 20:16
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First let me tell you where you can go to hear a long, exhaustive explanation of my political opinions. You know, just to make it sound as unappealing as possible.
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Oct 25, 2020 20:17
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I thought Dawn of the Dead was ok for what it was, and had some nice style for a mid-2000s action/horror dealie.
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