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Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
The dirty secret of renewable energy generators is that they're not actually carbon neutral, since building solar panels or wind turbines is very carbon-intensive and the plant once installed is barely efficient enough to offset its production cost. Nuclear is much cleaner in this regard. Hydro can be good or terrible, depending on where it is installed, the size of the dam needed (concrete is very carbon-intensive), and of course it has a huge environmental impact besides the whole carbon thing. Not necessarily an entirely negative impact, but again, it's very very situational, it can be good here and terrible there. Geothermal energy is probably the best but you need to have ready access to it, so it's a local/situational thing.

Solar furnaces are IMO better than photovoltaic panels for solar energy because you don't need rare earths. At the same time you do need quite a large area to put all the mirrors, so it's not something people can just put on their roof like photovoltaic panels.

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Zombiepop
Mar 30, 2010
Swedes got their last names on their doorbells as well, but like its not like the landslords ever change the signs, my old roomies name is on my door and he moved 4 years ago.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Cat Mattress posted:

The dirty secret of renewable energy generators is that they're not actually carbon neutral, since building solar panels or wind turbines is very carbon-intensive and the plant once installed is barely efficient enough to offset its production cost. Nuclear is much cleaner in this regard. Hydro can be good or terrible, depending on where it is installed, the size of the dam needed (concrete is very carbon-intensive), and of course it has a huge environmental impact besides the whole carbon thing. Not necessarily an entirely negative impact, but again, it's very very situational, it can be good here and terrible there. Geothermal energy is probably the best but you need to have ready access to it, so it's a local/situational thing.

Solar furnaces are IMO better than photovoltaic panels for solar energy because you don't need rare earths. At the same time you do need quite a large area to put all the mirrors, so it's not something people can just put on their roof like photovoltaic panels.

iirc the water heater solar panels (where you circulate the water directly through a panel instead of making electricity) are pretty much always going to improve your carbon footprint because they're basically just a flat pipe painted black that reduces your electricity/fuel use.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Cat Mattress posted:

The dirty secret of renewable energy generators is that they're not actually carbon neutral, since building solar panels or wind turbines is very carbon-intensive and the plant once installed is barely efficient enough to offset its production cost. Nuclear is much cleaner in this regard. Hydro can be good or terrible, depending on where it is installed, the size of the dam needed (concrete is very carbon-intensive), and of course it has a huge environmental impact besides the whole carbon thing. Not necessarily an entirely negative impact, but again, it's very very situational, it can be good here and terrible there. Geothermal energy is probably the best but you need to have ready access to it, so it's a local/situational thing.

Solar furnaces are IMO better than photovoltaic panels for solar energy because you don't need rare earths. At the same time you do need quite a large area to put all the mirrors, so it's not something people can just put on their roof like photovoltaic panels.

No that's flat out wrong. Naysayers made that up trying to make out why renewable energy is bad, renewables are super good and as about polluting as nuclear in carbon cost per gigawatt. See this paper from Nature, 2017 for details, figure 2 is the graph you are looking for. Writeup of the paper here if it's too dense in academese.

Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Oct 25, 2020

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Mr. Jupiter here can’t seem to shut the gently caress up lol

https://twitter.com/emmanuelmacron/status/1320419059016617985?s=21

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Yeah, try beheading a few more French people, maybe he'll learn then?

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Cat Mattress posted:

Yeah, try beheading a few more French people, maybe he'll learn then?

But that's how you get French Presidents in the first place.

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.

An insane mind posted:

I'm sorry, I guess I'm just naive and trust easily. When the postman has a package for a neighbour that's not home I always take it into my care and pop by later that day to hand it over. And I easily accept that others would do the same :shrug:

Not that you really have a choice here. As long as a package ends up in the general vicinity of your house, it is considered delivered, so you'd better start searching. Neighbours? Of course. "Neighbour" two blocks down? Could be! A random post office in the city? Hopefully they'll write you a note. Outside in front of the door? Good enough. Chucked into the back yard across a wall? That works, shake the tree and it'll drop in. In the second floor bathroom thrown through an open window? Nice and dry, except that it fell in the toilet. In the trash bin outside? Sure, they'll probably check it before taking it away. And if you are the first person to open the door in a large apartment building, you are getting all of that day's packages for everyone in the entire building and the postman is getting out of there leaving you to do the job. This is what happens when national postal services do not exist any more and they are all 'freelancers' who get paid per delivery. There are some hilarious pics around of interesting deliveries :v:

Last time I got a package it was a box of medical supplies with all kinds of warnings on it and it was left outside at the front door.

I've also lived in Germany and can confirm the thing about names on doors. If you don't put a nice legible nametag on the mailbox, you're not going to be getting any mail no matter how hard you try!

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Al-Saqr posted:

Mr. Jupiter here can’t seem to shut the gently caress up lol

https://twitter.com/emmanuelmacron/status/1320419059016617985?s=21

What do you find so offensive here? 🤔

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Libluini posted:

I vote for taking a Stupidity Chancellor-President instead of an Idiot King. Not only is this a better choice for a democratic union of democratic states, but it also means we can sow SA-wide confusion when talking about our European SCP. :colbert:

Haut représentant du Fil de Discussion Pour Les Affaires Imbécile

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Not So Fast posted:

What do you find so offensive here? 🤔

Two of his ministers have been publicly parroting far-right horseshit less than a week ago.

https://twitter.com/RimSarah/status/1318786036231790593
https://twitter.com/RimSarah/status/1320038295695429635

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Cat Mattress posted:

Yeah, try beheading a few more French people, maybe he'll learn then?

uh

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Entropist posted:

The Dutch government seems to have taken a turn towards being interested in nuclear again, as putting windmills in everyone's backyards is proving to be extremely unpopular.

My hometown has been fighting the placement of windmills for about a decade now I think. They were put up just a while ago only for my dad to basically go 'Eh, they're not as bad as I thought they'd be, you get used to them quickly!'

Glah
Jun 21, 2005
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54692485

quote:

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called on Turks to boycott French goods amid a row over France's tougher stance on radical Islam.

In a televised speech, he urged world leaders to protect Muslims "if there is oppression against Muslims in France".

Mr Erdogan has angrily criticised his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron for pledging to defend secular values.

It comes after a French teacher was murdered for showing cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in class.

France "will not give up our cartoons", President Macron said earlier this week.

But state secularism - or laïcité - is central to France's national identity. Curbing freedom of expression to protect the feelings of one particular community undermines unity, the state says.

I don't see what Macron can do to satisfy all parties. There's an extremism problem in France and Europe and we needs to be able to address it. Tasteless racist cartoons are one thing but the reaction to them is insane and you know, free speech is important. And now Erdogan is using this tragedy as a weapon to attack France on top of the row in the Med.

orange sky
May 7, 2007

Erdogan is lashing out cause the Turkish economy is in the shitter and he needs to focus the attention elsewhere

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

orange sky posted:

Erdogan is lashing out cause the Turkish economy is in the shitter and he needs to focus the attention elsewhere

And what better way to get the economy out of the shitter than to try to start a trade war?

https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/s...27-daf448a07097

quote:

It was apparently a call from Recep Tayyip Erdoğans that fueled the recent crash: "Don't pay attention to French brands, don't buy them," said the Turkish president. Shortly afterwards, the Turkish lira fell below an important mark. For the first time, more than eight lira must be paid for one dollar - more than ever before.

Not only since this boycott threat, foreign goods have become more and more expensive for people in Turkey. The country's currency has been falling drastically for nine weeks now, the longest lasting slide since 1999. In 2020 as a whole, the lira lost around 35 percent in value in trade with the dollar.

Turkey's relations with important trading partners in the European Union recently came to a head after Erdoğan attacked his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron. Erdoğan accused Macron of Islamophobia in the dispute over cartoons of Mohammed, called the French president a case of illness - and called for a boycott of French goods. Already on Sunday, several Arab countries had initiated a boycott against France because of the cartoons. Traders in Jordan, Kuwait and Qatar took French goods from their stores.

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort

Truga posted:

it's pretty ubiquitous on the balkans in my experience, also i know for a fact japan has names on houses/bells

Croatia, just names. Serbia, names + numbers, which is the best option. Names only is a poor solution when you have to go from door to door in a dimly lit hallway and squint at names written in handwritten fonts. Numbers only is so alienating. It doesn't make you want to learn about your neighbors at all.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Cat Mattress posted:

And what better way to get the economy out of the shitter than to try to start a trade war?

https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/s...27-daf448a07097

Ah. The Trump.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Vichan posted:

My hometown has been fighting the placement of windmills for about a decade now I think. They were put up just a while ago only for my dad to basically go 'Eh, they're not as bad as I thought they'd be, you get used to them quickly!'

I saw a report on Dutch news today about a mill owner (yes one of the quaint dutch country side ones) who stipulated that he fought against windmill placement in his area and was waffling about stuff like it's not actually that energy efficient, birdstrike blablabla...then at the end of the interview he offhandedly sasys that he it's really all about his view and his little mill being the dominant landmark in the area.

He almost got through without breaking kayfabe.

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort

Private Speech posted:

Idiot king i.e. a mini-moderator for the thread.

Honestly this thread does have very diverse views by D&D standards. Everything from fash nationalists, conservatives, liberals, centrists, social democrats all the way to various flavours of socialists. Might be a problem to choose a single IK.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

You are right. This thread is very diverse and many viewpoints need to be at least acceptable to not be probated for. Currently ardennes is a regular in this thread enough to handle transgressions with a fairly even hand. So the handling of punishment is based in situation instead of a blood feud between croatia and herzegovina(an fictional example). Honestly do we really want a racewar of probates sparking that ends up pushing a lot of information off site? I don't want half of europe leaving the thread.

From a few pages back, but how is this thread diverse, except by posters' nationalities? What conservatives and nationalists? I don't even remember many topics that got people to seriously engage opposing opinions. A few months ago there was an incredibly tedious argument between the "communism didn't work out before, how do we know it would work now" guy vs "the house is on fire" crowd... and... that's all I remember from recent history. All the rest is people basically agreeing with each other. The EE thread gets more action, and I don't follow US POL but apparently lots of heated discussion there, probes and bans too.

Not that it matters much, but I'd say the EU thread is less diverse compared to the rest of D&D and certainly less than the circle of people I know IRL.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Doctor Malaver posted:

From a few pages back, but how is this thread diverse, except by posters' nationalities? What conservatives and nationalists? I don't even remember many topics that got people to seriously engage opposing opinions. A few months ago there was an incredibly tedious argument between the "communism didn't work out before, how do we know it would work now" guy vs "the house is on fire" crowd... and... that's all I remember from recent history. All the rest is people basically agreeing with each other. The EE thread gets more action, and I don't follow US POL but apparently lots of heated discussion there, probes and bans too.

Not that it matters much, but I'd say the EU thread is less diverse compared to the rest of D&D and certainly less than the circle of people I know IRL.
I mean, without going through the thread looking up posters, I can think of at least one one-nation conservative in this thread.

As for there not being that much action, nor internal disagreement, isn't that basically a function of the two recent big pan-European events being "The Brits are making GBS threads themselves" followed by "Now everyone is making GBS threads themselves, and the Brits have somehow grown another rear end in a top hat to poo poo themselves twice as much"? The former was seen as loving idiotic by like all but a couple of British posters in D&D (at the start, like one by the end), so you wouldn't exactly expect the rest of the European posters to have a giant row over Brexit either. And now with corona the story is global, not EU-centric, there isn't really much to argue about - and what is there to argue about makes more sense in other threads. It's not really a crew thread either, which USPOL definitely is.

AndreTheGiantBoned
Oct 28, 2010
Whenever anybody displays any kind of centrist or economically liberal attitude, they are promptly heckled and chased away.
Not saying that I agree with those guys, but I don't see much diversity of opinions here. It falls short of a echo chamber, but just barely.

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

An insane mind posted:

I saw a report on Dutch news today about a mill owner (yes one of the quaint dutch country side ones) who stipulated that he fought against windmill placement in his area and was waffling about stuff like it's not actually that energy efficient, birdstrike blablabla...then at the end of the interview he offhandedly sasys that he it's really all about his view and his little mill being the dominant landmark in the area.

He almost got through without breaking kayfabe.

Ha, that's great. I tried the 'Since windmills are Dutch why are making GBS threads on our traditions?' line once since I thought it'd at least make them laugh at the very least. They were not amused... :(

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-cyprus-erdogan-idUSKBN27B286

It's weird that Erdogan's attitude wrt. the breakaway republic in Cyprus is not at all the same as his attitude wrt. the breakaway republic in Azerbaijan. Fancy that.

Ham
Apr 30, 2009

You're BALD!

Cat Mattress posted:

Yeah, try beheading a few more French people, maybe he'll learn then?

The gently caress is the matter with you? Bigoted piece of poo poo.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

are we about to see the EU turn against opening up public transport, when it's not western capital that gets to profit from liberalizing rail?

https://twitter.com/SamJamesMorgan/status/1321031951990591490

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
You mean China developed a locomotive that can run the entire new silk road? Which they built and invested massive political and financial capital into? And whose only weakness is the gauge changes? Shocking, truly noone could have foreseen this.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

Orange Devil posted:

You mean China developed a locomotive that can run the entire new silk road? Which they built and invested massive political and financial capital into? And whose only weakness is the gauge changes? Shocking, truly noone could have foreseen this.

look man trains are like the perfect walled garden you can extract rents from. Don't allowsome other gardener coming and stealing your profits apples

orange sky
May 7, 2007

Cat Mattress posted:

Yeah, try beheading a few more French people, maybe he'll learn then?

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Well

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
Something that I'd like to get some outside perspective on, the new Common Agricultural Policy, approved last week in the EP. From what I've read on Italian media it looks like in many ways a step back, and environmental activists outside seem to agree.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/21/greta-thunberg-accuses-meps-of-surrender-on-climate-and-environment

quote:

“Without binding targets for more climate protection, less pesticides in the fields and less antibiotics in livestock farming, the CAP will stand as the very antithesis to the purpose of the Green Deal,” Eickhout said.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/19/vast-majority-europe-key-habitats-poor-bad-condition-report

quote:

Jabier Ruiz, senior policy officer at WWF, said: “As it stands, the future of the CAP looks grim. Neither council nor parliament appear to care about the climate and biodiversity crises as they strip away conditions for farm subsidies and push for greenwashing loopholes. Policy-makers must hit the emergency brakes and change direction before it is too late.”

(yeah this was raised also by Greta Thunberg, who is spearheading a campaign against the CAP, for full transparency.)

https://twitter.com/HarrietBirdlife/status/1316110056744652801

This thread here is pretty damning. I've also read elsewhere that caps on intensive farming and intensive animal farms are being eliminated. Anyone else been following? This is not exactly my domain, so I'd like to get some other opinions.

mortons stork fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Oct 29, 2020

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Doctor Malaver posted:

Croatia, just names. Serbia, names + numbers, which is the best option. Names only is a poor solution when you have to go from door to door in a dimly lit hallway and squint at names written in handwritten fonts. Numbers only is so alienating. It doesn't make you want to learn about your neighbors at all.

yeah i'm in slovenia and mail's supposed to be by house numbers, but also there's family names on mailboxes because why not i guess?

makes delivery easier/more friendly too. i live on "road 4 house 5" and i'd get mail for "road 5 house 4" on accident a couple times when there was a new mailman and the name wasn't there temporarily when we bought a new mailbox

Nilbop
Jun 5, 2004

Looks like someone forgot his hardhat...
My heart goes out to anyone in Nice, or France in general. You guys seem to get the worst of this by miles. I feel like my own personal opinions on what we can do about Islamic terrorism is slowly being forced to change as these keep happening.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Nilbop posted:

My heart goes out to anyone in Nice, or France in general. You guys seem to get the worst of this by miles. I feel like my own personal opinions on what we can do about Islamic terrorism is slowly being forced to change as these keep happening.

How so?

orange sky
May 7, 2007

While I think that publishing the Prophet's caricature is akin to publishing a black person's caricature as a monkey (in that it is extremely offensive to a race/religion) in Mohammed's case it is actually written in multiple rules and obeyed religiously (no poo poo lol).

In both of these instances, analysing the subject doesn't require showing the actual picture in a class, but I can understand why viewing it academically should not have such a reaction.

It's an extremely sensitive subject in any case, and from my point of view the only possible response is acting as if this was a white supremacist or any other terrorist threat - find the hot-spots, who incited or supported it, and arrest/watch them.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

orange sky posted:

While I think that publishing the Prophet's caricature is akin to publishing a black person's caricature as a monkey (in that it is extremely offensive to a race/religion) in Mohammed's case it is actually written in multiple rules and obeyed religiously (no poo poo lol).

Congratulations, you're a liberal.

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort
French speakers, is there a pun here? If not, I don't find it funny. Not because ooooh insulting religion oooh, I just don't see the joke.



A Buttery Pastry posted:

I mean, without going through the thread looking up posters, I can think of at least one one-nation conservative in this thread.

As for there not being that much action, nor internal disagreement, isn't that basically a function of the two recent big pan-European events being "The Brits are making GBS threads themselves" followed by "Now everyone is making GBS threads themselves, and the Brits have somehow grown another rear end in a top hat to poo poo themselves twice as much"? The former was seen as loving idiotic by like all but a couple of British posters in D&D (at the start, like one by the end), so you wouldn't exactly expect the rest of the European posters to have a giant row over Brexit either. And now with corona the story is global, not EU-centric, there isn't really much to argue about - and what is there to argue about makes more sense in other threads. It's not really a crew thread either, which USPOL definitely is.

There are countless EU-wide and regional issues, but they just don't ignite the thread. I think the last one that did was immigration, when Gaussian Coppula was posting.

AndreTheGiantBoned posted:

Whenever anybody displays any kind of centrist or economically liberal attitude, they are promptly heckled and chased away.

At least new forum rules forbid calling for their death.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Alternatively it's okay to say it's complete bullshit, particularly as depictions of the Prophet (pbuh) in historical Islamic art are relatively plentiful especially in the 14th century.

I also think Mass and other vestiges of medieval church "scholarship" is complete bollocks and the opposition to contraceptives by the church is a travesty to be opposed by any means.

And I'm a somewhat religious person in a relationship with a Muslim woman (which is a separate issue in itself).

Owling Howl
Jul 17, 2019

orange sky posted:

While I think that publishing the Prophet's caricature is akin to publishing a black person's caricature as a monkey (in that it is extremely offensive to a race/religion) in Mohammed's case it is actually written in multiple rules and obeyed religiously (no poo poo lol).

In both of these instances, analysing the subject doesn't require showing the actual picture in a class, but I can understand why viewing it academically should not have such a reaction.

It's an extremely sensitive subject in any case, and from my point of view the only possible response is acting as if this was a white supremacist or any other terrorist threat - find the hot-spots, who incited or supported it, and arrest/watch them.

I find it extremely offensive to imply there's any context where such a reaction is warranted.

Ham
Apr 30, 2009

You're BALD!

Owling Howl posted:

I find it extremely offensive to imply there's any context where such a reaction is warranted.

I don't think that implication exists in the post you quoted, unless I'm reading it wrong.

It is abhorrent no matter what laws, rules or Islamic jurisprudence says that someone would harm someone else over a drawing, an opinion, or shouting "blasphemous" things - no qualifications there. Whether it is appropriate to show and share these depictions in a country with a systemic bigotry problem with their ostracized minority is a different question, and the one driving all the calls to boycott in the Islamic world.

Ham fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Oct 29, 2020

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Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort

orange sky posted:

While I think that publishing the Prophet's caricature is akin to publishing a black person's caricature as a monkey (in that it is extremely offensive to a race/religion) in Mohammed's case it is actually written in multiple rules and obeyed religiously (no poo poo lol).

In both of these instances, analysing the subject doesn't require showing the actual picture in a class, but I can understand why viewing it academically should not have such a reaction.

It's an extremely sensitive subject in any case, and from my point of view the only possible response is acting as if this was a white supremacist or any other terrorist threat - find the hot-spots, who incited or supported it, and arrest/watch them.

It's like publishing a black person's caricature as a monkey, but those who react violently against it, they are white supremacists? Makes sense.

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