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Smythe posted:is this like actually true? it sounds insane to me. but... well.. It’s true. The Force, the Jedi, all of it. It’s all true.
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DarklyDreaming posted:Ok basically last year when rumblings of AB5 first took off Postmates took a full page add in the LA Times saying "These 1,600 drivers want to remain independent contractors" with their full names printed below. Some of the people on that list noticed that they didn't agree to appear in an advertisement and raised a stink about it. unreal man. fuckion wild & terrible
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DarklyDreaming posted:Ok basically last year when rumblings of AB5 first took off Postmates took a full page add in the LA Times saying "These 1,600 drivers want to remain independent contractors" with their full names printed below. Some of the people on that list noticed that they didn't agree to appear in an advertisement and raised a stink about it. So not true at all then? That article says Postmates stuck a 'Would you like to sign our anti AB5 petition?" nag in their app, people clicked it (probably) to just make it go away, then Postmates took out an ad saying "these people signed our petition". That's not at all 'we own the right to sign your name to anything'
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The Kinkade fire was caused by a line that was only for a geothermal power plant decomissioned in 2001. PG&E just never bothered taking it down. Or even deenergizing it. Cal Fire is recommending that PG&E face felony charges. Again. I'm sure being a felon another half dozen times over will teach that corporate charter a lesson. lmao
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Papercut posted:I was going through my ballot last night and came to this proposition and still can't get over how ridiculous this whole system is What's even funnier to me is that proposition was put onto the ballot by all 11 supervisors, if you have that kind of unanimous support for the changes you want to make to the city tax structure, why does it need to go to the ballot why can't the legislators do it.  I really don't understand why changes to the city tax structure that are supported by every single supervisor can't be made without a charter amendment ballot proposition, it's stupid. 9 of the 11 supervisors wrote and co-sponsored it, all 11 of them were in support of it, and it's gotta go to the ballot? Why did we elect legislators if they can't make these legislative decisions? fermun fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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Foxfire_ posted:So not true at all then? That article says Postmates stuck a 'Would you like to sign our anti AB5 petition?" nag in their app, people clicked it (probably) to just make it go away, then Postmates took out an ad saying "these people signed our petition". That's not at all 'we own the right to sign your name to anything' I’ll take distinction without a difference for $500 please Alex.
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negativeneil posted:Sorry thread, can someone help me understand prop 19? It's confusing as gently caress. My gut tells me "over 55 year olds hold most of the wealth in this state and they don't need any help with tax breaks" but it is awfully complicated. Feels like they grouped people who actually need help (fire victims, disabled) with those who don't. Gimme shelter did a reasonable analysis on it. Take away is that the prop closes a good loophole at the cost of giving a benefit to a big interest group (real estate agents) and possibly could exacerbate existing racial wealth inequities since it helps the boomers (yet again!) who are very white and very wealthy. Could anything better have been passed is an open question because the proposition system basically requires either an eccentric billionaire or a motivated wealthy interest. e: the fire victims thing is a canard intended to wrap the whole thing in feel-goods. The number of impacted/benefited people would be infinitesimal El Mero Mero fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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fermun posted:What's even funnier to me is that proposition was put onto the ballot by all 11 supervisors, if you have that kind of unanimous support for the changes you want to make to the city tax structure, why does it need to go to the ballot why can't the legislators do it.
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Smythe posted:is this like actually true? it sounds insane to me. but... well.. Every time they want to take a ride there’s a pop-up “do you want to support prop 22?” and they have to hit no every single time, or they can just hit yes once and it goes away. That’s how they’re getting these overwhelming support numbers. E: should have refreshed Fill Baptismal fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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ShadowHawk posted:The answer is that it's required by the charter (or by state law) to put any tax increase up to the voters. That's not something they can change - it requires a new proposition to do so. Edit: I guess the statute/constitution does tie the hands of local governments raising taxes too, starting with Prop 13: https://lao.ca.gov/reports/2014/finance/local-taxes/voter-approval-032014.aspx BeAuMaN fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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negativeneil posted:Sorry thread, can someone help me understand prop 19? It's confusing as gently caress. My gut tells me "over 55 year olds hold most of the wealth in this state and they don't need any help with tax breaks" but it is awfully complicated. Feels like they grouped people who actually need help (fire victims, disabled) with those who don't. Prop 19 is one of those that has some good, some bad. On the good side, it limits vacation/rental homes from claiming the reduced tax assessment, so you don't get wealthy families with five properties paying almost nothing in tax. It also makes their heirs live in the home if they want to inherit the tax break. The bad is that it lets olds transfer their reduced tax assessment to any home (including more expensive homes) which seems like it could be abused pretty easily. I voted for it because on balance I think it's a net positive. Obviously just getting rid of prop 13 would be a better solution but IMO prop 19 a step in the right direction. Seph fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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/\/\/\ Basically what they said. Reading the text of Prop 19, I'm thinking that this should have been 3 props: 1. Expanding special rules for homeowners who lose their homes to fires. 2. Narrowing special rules for inherited homes. 3. Create fire protection fund. I don't really like the first item because it seems to me to be a moral hazard. It's rewarding people for buying homes in high-risk areas, when really we should be encouraging people to move out of those areas immediately. 2 and 3 are fine. I'm going to begrudgingly vote for this but I'm concerned that the first item could have some unexpected long-term consequences. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Oct 26, 2020 |
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Except 2 both expands and narrows special rules for property taxes: expands for transferability to other homes for over 55s, and narrows for usage by inheritors. And I'm against the first bit and for the second bit, so it'd still be a mixed-case thing that I struggle to vote for or against.
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Good point. Everybody seems to be confused by this prop, there's just too much going on in it.
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adoration for none posted:Good point. Everybody seems to be confused by this prop, there's just too much going on in it. California.txt
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I voted no on Prop 25, cash bail is bad but it doesn't seem clear that the replacement is any better. The San Jose DSA endorsement guide was very helpful.
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Time to put on a mask and water my loving backyard Let's get that big earthquake in here too 2020, throw in a meteor carrying an alien plague for kicks.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Time to put on a mask and water my loving backyard well about those space rocks...
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Asteroid 2018VP1 is very small, approx. 6.5 feet, and poses no threat to Earth! It currently has a 0.41% chance of entering our planet’s atmosphere, but if it did, it would disintegrate due to its extremely small size.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Asteroid 2018VP1 is very small, approx. 6.5 feet, and poses no threat to Earth! It currently has a 0.41% chance of entering our planet’s atmosphere, but if it did, it would disintegrate due to its extremely small size. I thought 3.5' was considered very small? This is concerning...
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adoration for none posted:Good point. Everybody seems to be confused by this prop, there's just too much going on in it. This is how I feel about half the props ever. If I can't understand what the gently caress you're trying to accomplish, you get a no. It's like all the local Roseville measures. I have absolutely NO loving clue what half of them mean, even after reading them 2-3 times. Good grief.
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Orange County is on fire, so that PUMPKIN SPICE SKY will happen in Pomona again, lmao. Orange County is continuing to be lovely. Edit: Ash is already starting to fall hahahaha
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adoration for none posted:/\/\/\ Basically what they said. The fire stuff is pretty much secondary, there for "flavor." The thrust of Prop 19 is about the inheritance and transfer rules. Vote based on those (I voted for it because it's anticipated to increase the tax base somewhat even though it sort of sucks).
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The evacuation line for this fire is like 1 mile from my suburban house, this isn't loving around. Cool of PG&E and SCE to tag-team on starting this wildfire though. For-profit utilities are such a cool public good!
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Orange County is on fire, so that PUMPKIN SPICE SKY will happen in Pomona again, lmao. Orange County is continuing to be lovely. It owns that Pomona college is in Claremont
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Vox Nihili posted:The fire stuff is pretty much secondary, there for "flavor." The thrust of Prop 19 is about the inheritance and transfer rules. Vote based on those (I voted for it because it's anticipated to increase the tax base somewhat even though it sort of sucks). I agree and voted yes because I want to shift more of the tax burden onto property owners, but it’s not even worth getting too into the weeds on this one and prop 24, the privacy prop, where it’s needlessly complicated, there’s no consensus on what it will do exactly, and it is unlikely to have any meaningful effect on the lives of anyone voting for it. Prop 22 Delenda est, but some of these props are just exhausting and barely worth the time to fill in the bubble.
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Prop 19 is exclusively backed by the Realtors Association which was enough to make me vote against it. As Vox Nihili said, the fire fund is just added in there so the headline says "boring confusing tax stuff and also FIRE PREPAREDNESS FUND" as a cynical ploy to try and get it passed Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Oct 27, 2020 |
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California Politics Thread: We regret to inform you the algorithm is racist and on fire
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I’m likely voting no in19. Increasing the tax base is good, but giving yet another giveaway to boomer homeowners is bad. And the only way it really increases tax rates is on the heirs if they don’t live in the place. So they’d pay fair taxes if they rented out the place, but not if they lived in it, and older homeowners get transfer their absurdly low rates elsewhere.
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Ballot harvesting is legal in CA and campaigns can do it if they follow the law. But the dropboxes that were set up didn't follow the law.
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Presumably only Trump voters will drop off at the Trump Store, and they’re sealed anyway, so probably okay if they’re signing off. I’d expect the Trump Store employers are making sure that they rack up all of the Trump votes in a blue state.
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The North Tower posted:Presumably only Trump voters will drop off at the Trump Store, and they’re sealed anyway, so probably okay if they’re signing off. I’d expect the Trump Store employers are making sure that they rack up all of the Trump votes in a blue state. It’s so they can feed them into the machine at 8 pm on Nov 3 for a Trump landslide surprise
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Sydin posted:California Politics Thread: We regret to inform you the algorithm is racist and on fire Mods, do the needful Alec Eiffel posted:It owns that Pomona college is in Claremont I am 4~ miles away from a mandatory evac zone from the Blue Ridge Fire. Smoke was so thick yesterday I couldn't see the trees across the street from my house.  Edit: I am not worried about the Blue Ridge Fire hitting my home. What I AM worried about is if a sudden gust of wind decides to blow north and land some hot embers right on top of the sage-brush filled hill that's a football field away from my house.
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Mods, do the needful I am in Claremont (lol) and it’s a lil nasty here
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still fucks me up that there's two cities named Claremont and Montclair and they're right next to each other
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FCKGW posted:still fucks me up that there's two cities named Claremont and Montclair and they're right next to each other Just to make it even more confusing there's a big neighborhood in San Diego also named Claremont.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Just to make it even more confusing there's a big neighborhood in San Diego also named Claremont. .....I did not realize there was a difference.
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FCKGW posted:still fucks me up that there's two cities named Claremont and Montclair and they're right next to each other
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