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peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe

josh04 posted:

Time to drop a UKMT classic, "Tales of Modern Motoring", all the blokes who care way too much about their company car brand and have their Little Chef order numbers memorised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQsMFQZa8os

I have never seen this before, it's absolutely incredible. How can they be real.

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Catzilla
May 12, 2003

"Untie the queen"


Another reason for companies buying new cars is that new cars are MOT exempt for 3 years, so it reduces maintenance costs on the vehicle.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

peanut- posted:

I have never seen this before, it's absolutely incredible. How can they be real.

God bless Steve Coogan and Iannucci even trying when poo poo like this exists

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I never liked this notation, because higher = worse. mpg bad too because you don't know if it's US or imperial notation, but what's wrong with km/L, you'd know how many L of fuel you'd need for a journey of a certain length without having to upend it?

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


peanut- posted:

Most new cars are leased these days no? Which is why you see £60k+ SUVs absolutely everywhere.

Yeah they'll be on 2 or 3 year pcp deals where you're effectively paying the depreciation cost which is *huge* on a new car. I'm the second owner on my 17 plate Golf and the calculated value at the end of the 3 years I've got it on is about 40% of what I paid for it which is probably less than 40% of what the first owner paid for it. That guy paid 20k+ in total I reckon.

I actually looked at just taking a personal loan for it as then I'd own it outright but the payments were higher because you're then financing the whole amount rather than "amount you pay minus residual value at the end of the 3 years" (so that's a lot higher on a new car to own outright) and I figured in 3 years there'd be more second hand hybrids around to switch to.

Also I know someone that had a brand new range rover on a finance deal but kept it so immaculate that at the end of the period he bought it out and promptly sold it to webuyanycar for like 3k more.

mudskipp
Jan 1, 2018

stop making sense

josh04 posted:

Time to drop a UKMT classic, "Tales of Modern Motoring", all the blokes who care way too much about their company car brand and have their Little Chef order numbers memorised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQsMFQZa8os

Hah just got to the hanger choice bit. Reminds me of my sister searching for sufficiently cool plastic bag for school stuff

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

His Divine Shadow posted:

yikes, my tiny Yaris weighs 1600kg, does between 4.6 - 4.9l / 100km though.

A lot of the increases in efficiency in petrol and diesel engines in recent years have been eaten up by cars becoming heavier. It's partly understandable because heavier usually means more safety features, but it allows for more luxury features too.

I fully think once we move further towards electric cars and fuel consumption stops being an issue for buyers cars are going to get huge. Especially since everyone wants the largest battery pack possible even if they only use 20% of it.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

josh04 posted:

Time to drop a UKMT classic, "Tales of Modern Motoring", all the blokes who care way too much about their company car brand and have their Little Chef order numbers memorised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQsMFQZa8os

What the gently caress was wrong with the 90's?

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

peanut- posted:

I have never seen this before, it's absolutely incredible. How can they be real.

I actually exchanged emails with one of the fellows behind that series (Martin Parr) a few years ago. It was all 'real', but it wasn't exactly 'true'. It was an early form of mockumentary crossed with what would become familiar reality TV - the participants were chosen for being unusual and with forceful views about the specifications of Vauxhall Astra, then were given a list of topics to talk about (tailored to bring out their best 'performances') with conversation being steered by unseen/unheard prompts. That was a very novel way of making programmes in the mid-90s and audiences were unfamiliar with the style. It was more a piece of artistic social commentary as a simple interview series.

There was also a lot of work done in the edit and with the second camera unit, to undermine/highlight what the participants were saying with cutaways (e.g. how all these big-talking sales reps are shown to spend their days alone in the car parks of provincial Happy Eaters).

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

What the gently caress was wrong with the 90's?

Vagabong
Mar 2, 2019
Don't all these massive SUV's increase the chance of death in collisons with pedestrians, because the height of the front ensures that people go under the wheels as opposed to over the top? That alone always marked large car drivers in cities to me as pricks.

Surprise T Rex
Apr 9, 2008

Dinosaur Gum

JustaDamnFool posted:

Don't all these massive SUV's increase the chance of death in collisons with pedestrians, because the height of the front ensures that people go under the wheels as opposed to over the top? That alone always marked large car drivers in cities to me as pricks.

Yeah but that death affects other people, not me, so...

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

jabby posted:

A lot of the increases in efficiency in petrol and diesel engines in recent years have been eaten up by cars becoming heavier. It's partly understandable because heavier usually means more safety features, but it allows for more luxury features too.

I fully think once we move further towards electric cars and fuel consumption stops being an issue for buyers cars are going to get huge. Especially since everyone wants the largest battery pack possible even if they only use 20% of it.

For me the biggest fuckup of the last few years has been US and EU mandated enhanced rollover protection. The blind spots this causes are *huge* and have definitely killed more cyclists, bikers and pedestrians than they've saved car occupants - I'm a very careful car driver but I've managed to lose entire families crossing a road that I'm trying to turn into behind the A pillar, and the rear-quarter blind spot - even with curved wing mirrors, which are their own problem - is big enough to lose even fat SUVs in, *even with a shoulder check* because of the massive B and C pillars. It's actually made me a bit more tolerant (and a *lot* more paranoid) of car drivers when I'm on the bike because it's more than possible with bad luck and timing that even doing everything perfectly they can still sometimes end up trying to occupy the same space as me.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

jabby posted:

A lot of the increases in efficiency in petrol and diesel engines in recent years have been eaten up by cars becoming heavier. It's partly understandable because heavier usually means more safety features, but it allows for more luxury features too.

I fully think once we move further towards electric cars and fuel consumption stops being an issue for buyers cars are going to get huge. Especially since everyone wants the largest battery pack possible even if they only use 20% of it.

They are gonna need to pro-actively legislate against that IMO.


Guavanaut posted:

I never liked this notation, because higher = worse. mpg bad too because you don't know if it's US or imperial notation, but what's wrong with km/L, you'd know how many L of fuel you'd need for a journey of a certain length without having to upend it?

I like it for the opposite reason, because more effective = smaller consumption = smaller nummber feels more logical to me.

I have never calculated how much fuel I need for a trip, I either just gas up for 20 (half tank) or 40 euros (full tank).

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Surprise T Rex posted:

Yeah but that death affects other people, not me, so...

P.J. O'Rourke posted:

Overall, though, it’s the bigness of the car that counts the most. Because when something bad happens in a really big car – accidentally speeding through the middle of a gang of unruly young people who have been taunting you in a drive-in restaurant, for instance – it happens very far away – way out at the end of your fenders. It’s like a civil war in Africa; you know, it doesn’t really concern you too much.

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."
THANK gently caress

https://twitter.com/UKWoolworths/status/1321013841384349696?s=20

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Uh, why?

Who in 2020 thinks now is the time to open a new high street chain?

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
Finally somewhere on the high street to get my CD singles and pick and mix from.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

knox_harrington posted:

SUV-ish versions of electric cars do make at least some sense at the moment because of having the battery pack in the floor, so for packaging them it's natural to have the seats a bit higher. The centre of gravity is still super low, and that body style allows better boot space.

For petrol cars I'd agree that the push towards SUVs is poo poo and seems mostly to be driven by the US where if you don't drive a Dodge Ram you're basically not even human.

Yeah, I got the smallest Volvo when I moved here (I think company cars are more of a thing in NL, like part of your compensation, though I do need it to visit customers as I'm a field dude). It would be up for replacement round about now, but the pandemic's put a stop to scheduled car replacements, which I'm quite glad about because Volvo's discontinued the model because you can't fit enough batteries in it.

Hyundai seems to have some nice electric things, but even the Kona is a bit SUV-y for me

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Wilkos has a big pick and mix stand.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Failed Imagineer posted:

Isn't this all of us during lockdown, regardless of gender?

I last had a haircut ~5 years ago for my wedding, and I was sporting the Full Karl Marx during most of lockdown. :getin:

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!







Leave Major out of this he was ok.

E: his main contribution to history like Heseltine and Clarke was being one of the people who couped Thatcher and then getting hosed by the vengeful fascists afterwards.

Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Oct 27, 2020

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

mudskipp
Jan 1, 2018

stop making sense
What if we're running out of past to romanticise and we've already reached the Woolworths bit. poo poo I need to get a company car.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

mudskipp posted:

What if we're running out of past to romanticise and we've already reached the Woolworths bit. poo poo I need to get a company car.

There's still Blockbuster.

I still haven't watched some of the DvDs I bought in their closing down sale.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Guavanaut posted:

I never liked this notation, because higher = worse. mpg bad too because you don't know if it's US or imperial notation, but what's wrong with km/L, you'd know how many L of fuel you'd need for a journey of a certain length without having to upend it?

Multiplication is far simpler than division by anything other than a power of 10. If I know that it takes 4 litres of fuel to travel 100 miles, then I know that a journey of 180 miles needs (4x1.8) litres. If I know that my car does 25 miles per litre, then I have to work out how many 25s there are in 180 and calculate the remainder.

Bacon Terrorist
May 7, 2010

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022
My Brother In Law is one of these company car enthusiasts, though to be fair he is a car salesman for Ford. It was hilarious when he briefly left for another company and suddenly didn't have a good word to say about Ford before returning to Ford and subsequently being reprogrammed. He and his colleagues seem to enjoy driving about in new plate cars they don't own in suits pretending the are in The Wolf of Wall Street (this is not a theory, this is an observation of their social media posts) so maybe that is the modern day equivalent of that 90s viewpoint.

The car racket in general is surely a financial crash waiting to happen though. I had a Vauxhall Mokka on HP but sold up and settled when I started commuting by train to my new office job. My wife had a Nissan Qashqai on PCP, there was a big faff swapping that despite the dealership constantly contacting her about upgrading they were then reluctant. Having done this at the Nissan dealership and a Ford dealership, try and buy a second hand car from any dealership that sells new cars and you will see they are absolutely desperate to steer you to new cars, to the point of making the purchase of a second hand car from them prohibitive. It was really quite unbelievable. In the end we went to an Arnold Clark dealership who specialised in second hand sales and got a Hyundai Tucson with ease. Yes these are all big cars but I am 6'9" with a 36" inside leg, I can't even get behind the wheel of a lot of cars including some surprising ones including a Nissan Juke and Mitsubushi Shogun.

The point I was trying to make before my digression was surely there is an unresolved bubble in the second hand car market, especially as I know for a fact my BIL and his colleagues routinely look to get people back to swap their cars for a new one 12 months i to their 3 year PCP deals.

Bacon Terrorist fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Oct 27, 2020

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



OwlFancier posted:

Wilkos has a big pick and mix stand.

Wilko does pretty much everything Woolies did. Except that Ladybird clothes brand I guess.

Woolies was only good because it was the only shop on my high street that sold films, CDs and games. All thriving physical marketplaces in 2020.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
This guy keeps delivering

https://twitter.com/angryaboutbikes/status/1321018187153113089?s=19

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Beefeater1980 posted:

Leave Major out of this he was ok.

E: his main contribution to history like Heseltine and Clarke was being one of the people who couped Thatcher and then getting hosed by the vengeful fascists afterwards.
He was still a Tory and part of the past 40 years of rot.

Jedit posted:

Multiplication is far simpler than division by anything other than a power of 10. If I know that it takes 4 litres of fuel to travel 100 miles, then I know that a journey of 180 miles needs (4x1.8) litres. If I know that my car does 25 miles per litre, then I have to work out how many 25s there are in 180 and calculate the remainder.
Most car journeys in the UK are well under 100 miles though, which would turn it into division, whereas if I know my car gets 40mpg and I'm driving 60 miles, I need about 1.5 gallons. Which isn't very useful now all the pumps are in litres, but is multiplication rather than division. 100km is smaller than 100mi though, so it might make more sense there, but it still feels more intuitive to know how far I can go with a given volume of fuel than the other way around, because the fuel is the thing I can measure out.


"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!"

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

he's a good pick for winding tracks, always stays firmly in the middle of the road

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Guavanaut posted:



"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!"

Surely he should be Jeremy WaCorbyn.
His defining feature being that he's not Corbyn like how Waluigi is not Luigi.

The Question IRL fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Oct 27, 2020

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Major privatised the railways which even Thatcher thought was probably a bit much. He's absolutely as much to blame as his predecessor and successor.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

The Question IRL posted:

Surely he should be Jeremy WaCorbyn.
His defining feature being that he's not Corbyn like how Waluigi is not Luigi.
:hmmyes: Warbin

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

knox_harrington posted:

SUV-ish versions of electric cars do make at least some sense at the moment because of having the battery pack in the floor, so for packaging them it's natural to have the seats a bit higher. The centre of gravity is still super low, and that body style allows better boot space.

For petrol cars I'd agree that the push towards SUVs is poo poo and seems mostly to be driven by the US where if you don't drive a Dodge Ram you're basically not even human.

Actually among “real pickup truck people” Rams are a joke. My mom had to buy a new truck this year after her old one died after 26 years of snow scooping service and her dad (a farmer who has multiple trucks on his farm) and the people she bought the new snow scoop from both joked about how no one who really needs a truck owns a Dodge.

Ironically, the new truck she bought wasn’t able to use the scoop she already had for her old truck because it was too heavy, despite the new truck being a solid foot longer and half a ton heavier. AND they were both F-150s, so they’re part of the same product line, just separated by about a quarter of a century. This shows how trucks have become a luxury product for suburban people who use them for nothing more than helping someone to move every few years. Pretty much unless you’re specifically buying a work model if you own a pickup truck it’s probably nothing more than a signal of wealth or culture, same as muscle cars and fancy coupes and luxury town-cars. They’re a waste of metal and gas.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
waluigi wasn't in mario kart 64 you idiots

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum

Angepain posted:

he's a good pick for winding tracks, always stays firmly in the middle of the road

He makes it out that his favourite powerup is the red shell but really deep down he much prefers the blue shell.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Jose posted:

waluigi wasn't in mario kart 64 you idiots

waluigi should be in every game. we will alter the timeline until this is the case. waaaaaaah

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Guavanaut posted:

He was still a Tory and part of the past 40 years of rot.


True. I guess we’ve been governed better since then and I just missed it.

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sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Angepain posted:

waluigi should be in every game. we will alter the timeline until this is the case. waaaaaaah

Agreed. Even (especially?) non-Mario games.

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