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ThaumPenguin posted:You already have. Remember that Edgar is the brother with the lazy eye, yet you can clearly see it on "Evrart's" portrait. they’re the same person, evrart pretends to be two people so he can avoid term limits
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ThaumPenguin posted:You already have. Remember that Edgar is the brother with the lazy eye, yet you can clearly see it on "Evrart's" portrait. People keep saying that but I don't think that's true. The line from Joyce goes "Edgar looks *exactly* like his brother, except for that lazy eye." It's not 100% clear who has the lazy eye. DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:they’re the same person, evrart pretends to be two people so he can avoid term limits Nah, Easy Leo talks about both of them when they were kids.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:they’re the same person, evrart pretends to be two people so he can avoid term limits If that was the case I doubt we'd have the "Edgar is the one with the lazy eye" detail at all, seeing how it implicates him. It's more likely that the less intellectual twin brother legitimately exists, but that Real-Edgar/Fake-Evrart is currently pretending to be him, so as to be in direct control during this very critical stage of their plans. If there legitimately were just one Claire, we'd likely have seen at least a single mention of how they've never been seen in the same place at the same time. People tend to be a bit skeptical of "Oh I have an identical twin I work together with all the time" if nobody has spotted you actually doing so at any point in decades. ThaumPenguin fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Oct 27, 2020 |
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vetinari100 posted:People keep saying that but I don't think that's true. The line from Joyce goes "Edgar looks *exactly* like his brother, except for that lazy eye." It's not 100% clear who has the lazy eye. That's a good point, though I can't imagine why the brains of the operation would risk being away (or at least somewhat hands-off) at such a crucial stage of their plans.
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My disappointment with the game is that there are no furry animals or children to live for, and it’s usually explored in post-apocalyptic works which I count DE under. In a lonely existence of pain, a companion of some sort wouldn’t be implausible for HDB to have near to him. Homeless people oftentimes have dogs as companions they’ll take care of better than themselves (and there are definitely some assholes that abuse them for sympathy / panhandling points). This kind of relation to other beings is a key missing dimension of the human experience that is both an answer and non-answer to the existentialist dread. Taken to a more conservative ending / worldview, the common answer to a lot of the existential problems is oftentimes “have children.” By making HDB a trainwreck of a human being, this closes the door and his suffering is alone. This dimension of suffering is not explored much in DE nor is it a dominant theme in games, but it’s one that’s pretty common everywhere else. Perhaps it has more to do with the targeted age demographics of games today and in 30 years we’ll see games better expand into themes on family v individual. But even ignoring the crap you go through in the story as a player, having your dog die in a shootout would be an instant game over for me even if the game let you finish without it. I can sell out my partner or gently caress over someone that trusts me, but I’m not diabolical enough to ever pick animal abuse as an option. A game that’d have the character as a truly psychotic person would involve animal abuse and treating living beings as not more than complex animate objects (common sentiment of psychopaths - distinct, pathological lack of emotional attachment). Maybe me watching Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer right after playing DE was a bad idea...
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Oct 27, 2020 15:13
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with the greatest of respect: what the gently caress are you talking about
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:with the greatest of respect: what the gently caress are you talking about 
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necrobobsledder posted:My disappointment with the game is that there are no furry animals or children to live for, THE gently caress DOES CUNO CARE?
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Oct 27, 2020 15:27
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So do you actually want dogs in the game or not
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Oct 27, 2020 15:29
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I agree, my Furry Kim mod aims to fix this glaring oversight
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glad this game doesn't have a dog narrative b/c they always remind me of how (western) white ppl love dogs more than people
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vetinari100 posted:Nah, Easy Leo talks about both of them when they were kids. notwithstanding leo's incipient dementia, my theory can still be true; it's not that edgar isn't a real person, it's that he's not involved in union stuff (maybe not even in martinaise) and evrart pretends to be him sometimes.
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AfricanBootyShine posted:glad this game doesn't have a dog narrative b/c they always remind me of how (western) white ppl love dogs more than people It's because the whites have the desire to own other living being in their genes.
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Oct 27, 2020 16:23
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The game already had a pig
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necrobobsledder posted:My disappointment with the game is that there are no furry animals or children to live for, and it’s usually explored in post-apocalyptic works which I count DE under. In a lonely existence of pain, a companion of some sort wouldn’t be implausible for HDB to have near to him. Homeless people oftentimes have dogs as companions they’ll take care of better than themselves (and there are definitely some assholes that abuse them for sympathy / panhandling points). This kind of relation to other beings is a key missing dimension of the human experience that is both an answer and non-answer to the existentialist dread. I don't want to. They're all traitors -- pigs, rabbits and dogs. Men without ideals are only animals.
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Oct 27, 2020 16:51
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Shame on you if you let Kim get shot during the mercenary tribunal but even greater shame on you if you do not deputize The Cuno in Kim's place
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Oct 27, 2020 16:53
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Wanting a cute animal or child sidekick? Are you a marketing consultant?
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i was able to tolerate the game's rampant depictions of racism, sexism, class prejudice and murder, but animal abuse? we all have moral lines, sir, and you've just found mine.
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Oct 27, 2020 16:57
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what's measurehead's take on dogs?
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Oct 27, 2020 17:00
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Kim has the soul of a Saint Bernard.
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Ghost Dogs
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Kaysette posted:Ghost Dogs The Royal Hounds
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Oct 27, 2020 17:03
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Yeah Harry isn't responsible enough for a pet The only DE appropriate dog would be Trant Heidelstam and his son walking a dog together and then you get a sad thought about how it would have been nice to walk a dog with a son.
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Oct 27, 2020 17:03
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Certainly, a pet bird is just asking for trouble.
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Oct 27, 2020 17:05
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You are your own pet bird if you make some good decisions
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Oct 27, 2020 17:08
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if The Cop had a dog then the plot of the game would not have happened. and that goes double for the deserter. i have decided not to call The Cop by any other name without spoilers.
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Doc Hawkins posted:The Cop What, you mean Raphaël Ambrosius Costeau?
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Mr. Lobe posted:You are your own pet bird if you make some good decisions I know audubon was a chump because he never described the fuckupatoo
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Isaacs Alter Ego posted:What, you mean Raphaël Ambrosius Costeau? The Opener Of The Eighth Seal
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This thread rules because it seems like every page there's someone just completely making up poo poo to fit a version of the story that exists only in their heads, or there's someone with zero reading comprehension skills overreacting to something in the game, or people getting flustered because the game is mocking their sorry asses, and NOW we get whatever that dog post is lol
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Isaacs Alter Ego posted:What, you mean Raphaël Ambrosius Costeau? I don't know who the gently caress that is but all I need to know is whether or not he can hang with Tequila Sunset without cramping his style.
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necrobobsledder posted:My disappointment with the game is that there are no furry animals or children to live for Live for Cuno 
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EorayMel posted:The Opener Of The Eighth Seal HAM SANDWICH
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I'm saying that DE would probably do a better take on the trope of someone not capable of human relationships or responsibilities to handle animals than how John Wick did in movie form. Moreover, usually what grounds people to the world as a resolution to an existential quagmire like HDB's is through something greater than themselves whether it be some ideal, love, revenge, etc. Maybe a hobby or job does the trick. For a lot of Hollywood stuff, it's kids / continuation of the species that works for most conservative folks. These are all fine and equally philosophically valid options, but DE didn't even really offer anything as a solution to HDB's misery as if there can be no resolution but IRL there really is in his socioeconomic position. For a game with all kinds of weird flavors of ice cream in it, not including vanilla in it seems more odd than anything else. Talking to a shipping container? Cool. Petting a mailbox? Party on. Being boring and trying to settle down after a lovely life? Whoa, that's crazy talk. I couldn't quite get HDB to line up as Nicolas Cage's character in Bad Lieutenant like I was trying to go for my first playthrough, and that made me a bit frustrated given how much zaniness is in the game. I was aiming for a series of unexpected consequences like that and got something very different and I wasn't in quite the mindset to dig in the way it deserves. Also sure, dying randomly while not being sure how to do anything was way more fun in this game than in any other game ever honestly. Qwertycoatl posted:Live for Cuno
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I might have missed something but I never got the impression that Harry was like Cuno as a kid. If Kim's injured in the shootout you can bring Cuno along with you for the rest of the game though.
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I think that's just as much a consequence of where the game ends though. HDB is just starting to reassemble his psyche into something functional and it's not even clear how well it will stick. Raphael Ambrosius Costeau isn't really capable of answering an existential question like that in any depth because even at the end of the game he's only just potentially starting to come to terms with simply being and existing in the most immediate sense. But I think the game does offer hints as to what Tequila Sunset can and should to if he doesn't want to be that kind of animal anymore through the church questline
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nurmie posted:Eh, I'm not too sold on that, personally. I don't think the pieces line up, really - Evrart didn't know about Klaasje's past, I'm pretty sure, and the logistics of the situation wouldn't allow him to plan it all that well, or react to it in any reasonable way, imo. He definitely used the situation to his own end though - further escalating the feud and pushing the conflict to become violent. I'm not saying he engineered the whole thing. Just that the fake lynching (not the shooting) was his idea. I was under the impression that the merc gets shot, then Klaasje comes to the Hardies for help, then Ruby calls Evrart and he comes up with the plan. Like others said, Evrart is not some "just according to keikaku" mastermind, but he is very adept at taking advantage of circumstances as they arise.
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the cop walks nicholas cage on a leash. internalise this thought
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Qwertycoatl posted:I might have missed something but I never got the impression that Harry was like Cuno as a kid.
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Taking cuno to the end is much more satisfying than Kim, cmv
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