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MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





virtualboyCOLOR posted:

I see lots of yelling and criticizing but not a lot of solutions or results.
yes that's the democratic party for you, glad you finally figured it out, you can gently caress off out of the thread now

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Malkina_
May 13, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Wait cuck is a racist word? Pretty sure a man of any race can gently caress your wife. In fact it's pretty racist of you to try to gatekeep cuckoldry

Something tells me virtualboyCOLOR is a blacked.com subscriber and he’s spraying us with his self-loathing projection over it

virtualboyCOLOR
Dec 22, 2004

miniscule12 posted:

not all cuck porn is inter-racial.

it's more sexist really, it's about failing to be a man. of course a lib like you wouldn't understand the intersectional pathology of cuckoldry

it is def sexist but I’ve only ever seen it used in the racist sense (typically used to insult left leaning men that their wives are being hosed by black men)

miniscule12
Jan 8, 2020

HAHA YEAH HE PEED IN HIS OWN MOUTH I'M GONNA KEEP BRINGING IT UP.

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

it is def sexist but I’ve only ever seen it used in the racist sense (typically used to insult left leaning men that their wives are being hosed by black men)

I've only heard it be used in the racist sense by nazis, everyone else uses it in a sexist way.

I'm glad the word "simp" seems to have withered on the vine, that one was dire.

GoLambo
Apr 11, 2006

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

it is def sexist but I’ve only ever seen it used in the racist sense (typically used to insult left leaning men that their wives are being hosed by black men)

not only are you a bad poster but you're also dumb as poo poo, huge surprise.

virtualboyCOLOR
Dec 22, 2004

miniscule12 posted:

I've only heard it be used in the racist sense by nazis, everyone else uses it in a sexist way.

I'm glad the word "simp" seems to have withered on the vine, that one was dire.

it might be that was how I was introduced to the word. either way I’m not a fan



GoLambo posted:

not only are you a bad poster but you're also dumb as poo poo, huge surprise.

leftist to other leftist: we agree on everything but the color of the dress, therefor they must perish

miniscule12
Jan 8, 2020

HAHA YEAH HE PEED IN HIS OWN MOUTH I'M GONNA KEEP BRINGING IT UP.

virtualboyCOLOR posted:


leftist to other leftist: we agree on everything but the color of the dress, therefor they must perish

you're not a leftist sweetie.

virtualboyCOLOR
Dec 22, 2004

miniscule12 posted:

you're not a leftist sweetie.

~which flavor of Baskin-Robbins leftist ice cream are you~

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
from another thread but I think it applies here

apropos to nothing posted:

i think at some point you have to say that words like anticapitalist, socialist, radical, anarchist, etc. have to mean something. concretely, calling for a vote for mike bloomberg (which chomsky says he would do if he were the dem nominee) in really any circumstance either means youre not those things, or they have no meaning. its fine to say ideally you want socialism, ideally i want to have a billion dollars. but concretely if you would call for a vote for a billionaire capitalist running on a pro-capitalist program in a capitalist party, then it kind of has the same meaning as me saying i want to have a billion dollars meanwhile i work as a teacher.

miniscule12
Jan 8, 2020

HAHA YEAH HE PEED IN HIS OWN MOUTH I'M GONNA KEEP BRINGING IT UP.

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

sure

what’s the alternative that you personally will do? if you can v*te and choose not to, what will you personally do instead that can reduce harm and/or improve the outlook of the vulnerable?

lots of cspam posters poo poo post, don’t donate, don’t protest, and don’t canvas for leftist causes. some do and they loving rule. most don’t.

this very thread has cspam postings attacking an overall positive trans person because she made “straw man arguments” that they are literally posting in this thread.

while you think of a reply, why not take a stroll to your nearest polling station and go v*te

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

a splitter is a poster who essentially a gatekeeper on what a “true” leftists is. they end up more focused on attacking other leftists instead working towards a common goal.

example: all the people hating on the trans person in the video


virtualboyCOLOR posted:

still have yet to see any posters talk about actual alternatives but I have seen a lot of poo poo posting making fun of those that v*te and calling a trans person in favor of universal healthcare a “lib”

while you’re gatekeeping leftists, why not pull your head out of your rear end and v*te

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

honestly that’s perfectly fine and makes sense.

it’s more that it rings hollow to go “liberals liberals liberals” online all the time and never once discuss about actions that matter

it’s simple to criticize (almost as simple as voting for most of the areas goons live in)

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

it gets a bit silly. somehow a person who wants universal healthcare, guaranteed housing, guaranteed food/water, guaranteed education (all this poo poo should be free), increased arts, fixing climate change now (even if most of the effects now irreversible)....is a liberal

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

that’s a fair point. I don’t.

what I do see is anyone voting for Joe for harm reduction is criticized and called an idiot.

what I do see is a trans person being insulted as a “liberal” who is in no way an actual liberal.

what I do see is cspam posters treating everyone like a cardboard cutout without knowing what they do in the background as well :)

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

hi

can we tone down the assumptions of every poster having a paper thin personality in order to act out some fantasy argument one has in their own head?

if peeps don’t want to vote for Biden that’s their choice

hopefully they’ll list some meaningful alternatives other than posting “lol turmp” or retweets

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

accurate

and sadly still better than the alternative (trump)


worse is liberals are more effective than leftists at accomplishing what they want, even if what they want is not beneficial to the public. this is because liberals will perform actions that make an impact vs yell at people online for being a different flavor of “left”

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

a good chunk of the time sure

so then what’s next? surely there’s more than just @ing someone and regurgitating facts the public has no interest in reading/learning

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

can you explain what you are trying to say here an how that has demonstrated that AOC doesn’t support left leaning causes?

You do realize the left is about antagonism towards capitalism and deconstruction of hierarchies right?

miniscule12
Jan 8, 2020

HAHA YEAH HE PEED IN HIS OWN MOUTH I'M GONNA KEEP BRINGING IT UP.

Wanting universal healthcare doesn't make you a leftist, 70% of the population wants that.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
like 40% of Republicans want that

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
I want either to murder money or take all the money from the richest

GoLambo
Apr 11, 2006
To add content I generally like contrapoints but she is clearly up her own rear end in regards to threading the needle between left and "realistic progressive" or whatever and has ended up, clearly, on the absolutely wrong side of understanding what's at stake or what the actual arguments against supporting the democratic party are. Bed of a bad choice bullshit without even a hint of mentioning the idea that powerful liberals are the lefts direct opposition and not some just milquetoast alternative, but an actual enemy. Basically your surefire sign that someone just doesn't get where the conflict between capital and workers actually lies, and an argument that would quickly break down when you actually have to talk to an actual leftist instead of the strawman she presents.

She should absolutely be getting dragged through the mud for this, as should anyone.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


shes always been pretty straightforward which i like but yeah her views have developed from lefty into what she says in one of her videos basically paraphrased "i wanted socialism when i was a male alcoholic, now i just want to be beautiful", she's lost interest in the political content and basically just likes the dressing up and using cool props and doing videos about glamour

i wish her luck in her journey into the considerably crazier and larger world of beauty youtube

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


to be quite fair, "leftist" for the American reality is kinda easy to dilute because technically in a general sense it can easily include your average contemporary Democratic voter given that, well, the USA is the heart of neoliberalism and thus is pretty well conservative or very conservative on most matters when compared to the rest of the world

any American who recognizes themselves as "socialist", "communist", "anarchist" or whatever other role of that herd of cats also recognizes themselves as leftists in that broader sense shared by the world, which also brings a lot of prerogatives with that definition; to claim that Noam Chomsky is not a leftist because he is voting Democratic and urging others to do so is ridiculous, but that does not make him exempt of criticism about this specific issue; likewise, to say "I want universal healthcare and good wages" doesn't mean that who says it is a leftist, because those are perfectly compatible with a liberal POV, especially in the sense of the younger "progressive liberal" mindset seen in some places, which claims that tidbits of socialism are necessary to make a better, more efficient capitalism, so to speak

Gaupo Guacho
Aug 5, 2010

by Pragmatica

Malkina_ posted:

You are a loving moron
you're a gigantic tankie [r-word] but that's cool you're in good company on this here website. im sorry you don't understand what words mean you drooling imbecile. plz take your own life. thanks in advance

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miniscule12
Jan 8, 2020

HAHA YEAH HE PEED IN HIS OWN MOUTH I'M GONNA KEEP BRINGING IT UP.

Gaupo Guacho posted:

you're a gigantic tankie [r-word] but that's cool you're in good company on this here website. im sorry you don't understand what words mean you drooling imbecile. plz take your own life. thanks in advance

my dude edits out the r word but doesn't edit out asking for suicide.

Chillgamesh
Jul 29, 2014

Gaupo Guacho posted:

you're a gigantic tankie [r-word] but that's cool you're in good company on this here website. im sorry you don't understand what words mean you drooling imbecile. plz take your own life. thanks in advance

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How is this guy not banned yet he's always like this lol

edit: welp,

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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Gaupo Guacho posted:

you're a gigantic tankie [r-word] but that's cool you're in good company on this here website. im sorry you don't understand what words mean you drooling imbecile. plz take your own life. thanks in advance

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nice meltdown

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

I like how the term tankie has basically come to mean any leftist I don't like.

Malkina_
May 13, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
I wear it with honor.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Wait cuck is a racist word? Pretty sure a man of any race can gently caress your wife. In fact it's pretty racist of you to try to gatekeep cuckoldry

smarxist posted:

is cuck racist? the only etymology i know is the cuckoo bird and the aspect of someone's wife having an affair and getting pregnant by another man

the right's use of cuck is synonymous with robbing the glorious nordic subgroup of its racial purity through sexual minglings and immigration in addition to portraying the black man any higher than a slave or the mysterious occidental as anything besides swarming locusts

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Gaupo Guacho posted:

you're a gigantic tankie [r-word] but that's cool you're in good company on this here website. im sorry you don't understand what words mean you drooling imbecile. plz take your own life. thanks in advance

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drat son who rolled tanks across your hungarian border

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Gaupo Guacho posted:

you're a gigantic tankie [r-word] but that's cool you're in good company on this here website. im sorry you don't understand what words mean you drooling imbecile. plz take your own life. thanks in advance

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christ, finally, gently caress this moron

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


i didn't know what tankie meant when I was a lib first reading left stuff but it sounded pretty cool. anyway that was like right before i typed this post, where do i sign up for a tank

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

gay_crimes posted:

i didn't know what tankie meant when I was a lib first reading left stuff but it sounded pretty cool. anyway that was like right before i typed this post, where do i sign up for a tank

Send a letter to Stalin

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
if you’re voting for Biden you’re endorsing the Iraq war which he championed as head of the senate foreign affairs committee and the mass murder of over two million innocent Muslims. if you vote for Biden you endorse mass incarceration via the crime bill he wrote and the criminalization of Black lives. if you vote for Biden you endorse fascist coups in Latin America, which he has supported and pledged to support if elected.

you might as well be honest with yourself and the rest of us and admit you’re a white supremacist that sees PoC as a subhuman scourge to be dominated and slaughtered.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
welcome back taintie

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Office Pig posted:

welcome back taintie

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
has anyone even asked him about his Iraq vote

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

indigi posted:

has anyone even asked him about his Iraq vote

again he didn’t just vote for it he actively worked with the bush administration to rally support for it as a senior member of the senate foreign affairs committee

he did say that he knew the WMD thing was all bullshit

Crumbskull
Sep 13, 2005

The worker and the soil

Gaupo Guacho posted:

"fascism" doesn't mean whatever you don't like. the neocons were blood drenched psychopaths responsible for all kinds of misery but that doesn't mean they're fascist. fascism is a ultra nationalist mass movement based on things like spiritual renewal of a nation, the targeting of outgroup minorities and redressing feelings of national humiliation. Biden is a murderer for his Iraq war vote but hes not a fascist, hes just a rightwing lib.

Also the blyrring of the lines between capitalist cirporations and thebstate. Its the us liberal project op

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Oct 21, 2011


Taintrunner posted:

if you vote for Biden you endorse fascist coups in Latin America, which he has supported and pledged to support if elected

lol yes we are just discussing this in the Brazil thread

Crumbskull
Sep 13, 2005

The worker and the soil
Also the most important thing about contrappints is that it started as an atheist philosophy channel and viewed through that filter all of videos are insanely funny

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Oct 21, 2011


Crumbskull posted:

Also the most important thing about contrappints is that it started as an atheist philosophy channel and viewed through that filter all of videos are insanely funny

she did mention not a few times that she was an avid channer, an habit that she kept during her early transition

knowing that helps to contextualize a LOT

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


Office Pig posted:

welcome back taintie

Crumbskull
Sep 13, 2005

The worker and the soil

dead gay comedy forums posted:

she did mention not a few times that she was an avid channer, an habit that she kept during her early transition

knowing that helps to contextualize a LOT

P sure all thenold videos thsy are.like 'In Response To Hitchens' are still up lol

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
the thing about contra and all the other “breadtubers” pissing and moaning at you to vote for Biden is that they enjoy a rather comfortable grift screeching into a webcam for a living while you and your family starve and have no future beyond periods of extended instability and hardship. they want Biden to win to defend the legitimacy of their class position as part of the leisure class in a brutally unjust and frankly unsustainable society racing towards full collapse.

revolution can wait, we’ve hooked these suckers into thinking we’re intellectual thought leaders with stupid skits and witty bantz, and can get them to pay us to layabout and play videogames off their hard earned dollars, so why risk things changing? that’s why they want Biden to win so bad. they’re doing just fine, and brutal neoliberal austerity doesn’t actually affect them. if anything, it’s good for their bottom line, as more and more people seek an understanding of why their lives are so miserable, only to be sheepdogged into voting for the same people that are making daily life so agonizing.

it’s just platos allegory of the cave all over again

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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Gaupo Guacho posted:

"fascism" doesn't mean whatever you don't like. the neocons were blood drenched psychopaths responsible for all kinds of misery but that doesn't mean they're fascist. fascism is a ultra nationalist mass movement based on things like spiritual renewal of a nation, the targeting of outgroup minorities and redressing feelings of national humiliation. Biden is a murderer for his Iraq war vote but hes not a fascist, hes just a rightwing lib.

I mean, you can say that if you want, but all this means is that fascists aren't really worse than neoconservatives.

I'm also a little confused about how the Dems don't meet those criteria to you. They absolutely have the "spiritual renewal of nation/redressing feelings of national humiliation" aspects (hell, that's basically explicitly their angle with regard to Trump), and their actual actions target outgroup minorities. Even Republicans aren't explicitly racist in a "black people are inferior" sort of way, and the racist policies they support are usually also supported by Democrats (or were supported by Democrats in recent history). They just vehemently deny racism and support policies that harm minorities. Which...is basically the same thing the Democrats do.

Basically, like I said, it's aesthetic. You have a certain aesthetic idea of what "ultra-nationalist" means where you think Trump qualifies and Democrats don't, even though in practice they're both extremely nationalist.

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

I see lots of yelling and criticizing but not a lot of solutions or results.

Do you also say this when people talk about how racism is bad

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