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akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

starbucks hermit posted:

having nano as the default editor sounds like a cheap april fool's joke

it�s the only Linux text editor that�s not completely hosed up unusable

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FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

akadajet posted:

it�s the only Linux text editor that�s not completely hosed up unusable

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mystes: May 31, 2006

akadajet posted:

it�s the only Linux text editor that�s not completely hosed up unusable

More to the point, it's good to have nano as the default because people people can figure out how to use (and exit it) even if they have never used it before, which can't be said about vi and emacs. Without this setting, git would apparently default to vi. People who want vi or emacs can change the setting.

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akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

if you can figure out vim you can trivially change your text editor. if you�re on desktop you should be using vscode anyways

# ? Oct 28, 2020 00:48

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

mystes posted:

More to the point, it's good to have nano as the default because people people can figure out how to use (and exit it) even if they have never used it before, which can't be said about vi and emacs. Without this setting, git would apparently default to vi. People who want vi or emacs can change the setting.

yeah. and even git is more intuitive to use than vim. and git sucks

# ? Oct 28, 2020 00:49

sb hermit: Dec 13, 2016

I will never use a gui to install Linux software if I can help it.

Well, if it can be scripted via Ansible then that would be ok too

# ? Oct 28, 2020 00:50

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

ooh are we doing text editors again?

nano is poo poo and if anyone actually cared about novice users they�d provide a cli editor that uses the same shortcuts as normal programs.

# ? Oct 28, 2020 00:52

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

Soricidus posted:

ooh are we doing text editors again?

it�s the Linux thread, so yeah. after this it�s sound cards

# ? Oct 28, 2020 00:55

Scrotum Modem: Sep 12, 2014

how bout tabs vs spaces

# ? Oct 28, 2020 00:57

spankmeister: Jun 15, 2008

Scrotum Modem posted:

how bout tabs vs spaces

Ez

4 spaces but have your editor auto expand the tabs out so you don't have to type them.

# ? Oct 28, 2020 01:05

Sassafras: Dec 24, 2004; by Athanatos

DoomTrainPhD posted:

Fedora 33 report:

For the first time since Fedora 22, I decided to do a fresh install because supposedly BTRFS is the new hotness.
The install went smooth, and about 40 minutes after booting into Fedora my computer hard-froze and refused to boot back into Fedora.

Reinstalled F33 with ext4 and it's been stable ever since.

BTRFS: Not even once.

butterfs still delivering that last tango in paris experience

# ? Oct 28, 2020 01:10

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

mystes posted:

More to the point, it's good to have nano as the default because people people can figure out how to use (and exit it) even if they have never used it before, which can't be said about vi and emacs. Without this setting, git would apparently default to vi. People who want vi or emacs can change the setting.

it's not 1998 anymore get your phone out and google "help i am use vi what do" and click on any of the results. this criticism of vi hasn't been valid for a looong time

# ? Oct 28, 2020 02:09

xtal: Jan 9, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

I must be super lucky because I've used btrfs as root for like 8 years, when the Arch wiki page for it had a huge warning banner at the top, and still haven't had any problems. I think I even converted it from ext4 in-place to begin with.

I wouldn't use it for a new system but that's because I've learned about ZFS.

# ? Oct 28, 2020 02:18

xtal: Jan 9, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

Nomnom Cookie posted:

it's not 1998 anymore get your phone out and google "help i am use vi what do" and click on any of the results. this criticism of vi hasn't been valid for a looong time

Linux UX is asking people to take out their more user friendly device to troubleshoot the Linux device

# ? Oct 28, 2020 02:20

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

xtal posted:

Linux UX is asking people to take out their more user friendly device to troubleshoot the Linux device

# ? Oct 28, 2020 02:21

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

xtal posted:

Linux UX is asking people to take out their more user friendly device to troubleshoot the Linux device

that's a lot of what i get paid for so it's good and how things should be

# ? Oct 28, 2020 02:42

Last Chance: Dec 31, 2004

nano is great, i literally use it every day lool

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cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

same it's on every system and I have a keyboard with arrow keys so I don't need to learn vi

# ? Oct 28, 2020 06:11

dougdrums: Feb 25, 2005; CLIENT REQUESTED ELECTRONIC FUNDING RECEIPT (FUNDS NOW)

code:


EDITOR=nano visudo

# ? Oct 28, 2020 06:24

dougdrums: Feb 25, 2005; CLIENT REQUESTED ELECTRONIC FUNDING RECEIPT (FUNDS NOW)

i have literally never seen a person under 40 that is at all competent with vi

# ? Oct 28, 2020 06:25

dougdrums: Feb 25, 2005; CLIENT REQUESTED ELECTRONIC FUNDING RECEIPT (FUNDS NOW)

and like I'm gonna install emacs lmao

# ? Oct 28, 2020 06:26

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

emacs is at least somewhat discoverable so foolish people can limp along for a while before they discover that it is single threaded and long running tasks in one window will hang all the others

# ? Oct 28, 2020 06:29

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

pseudorandom name posted:

emacs is at least somewhat discoverable so foolish people can limp along for a while before they discover that it is single threaded and long running tasks in one window will hang all the others

sounds like you're better off with an editor that's upfront about the challenges you'll face

# ? Oct 28, 2020 07:02

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

you're better off with an editor written in javascript running in a web browser tbh

# ? Oct 28, 2020 07:59

Scrotum Modem: Sep 12, 2014

dougdrums posted:

i have literally never seen a person under 40 that is at all competent with vi

sup

i even install vim on windows

# ? Oct 28, 2020 08:08

Athas: Aug 6, 2007; fuck that joker

Did anyone say NixOS yet???

# ? Oct 28, 2020 08:34

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Sapozhnik posted:

can't believe people are actually advocating non-red hat linux unironically in here

# ? Oct 28, 2020 09:21

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

�nano is a good choice because it�s not vi� is certainly a take

next on linux ux: why users should be encouraged to punch themselves in the balls instead of stabbing themselves in the balls

# ? Oct 28, 2020 10:24

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

btrfs is good, nano is a sane default choice. you're all holding it wrong.

# ? Oct 28, 2020 10:45

Antigravitas: Dec 8, 2019; Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

I'm sorry, why are we using editors that aren't standard? ed is the standard editor for a reason. Whenever I open nano I get confused by its weird interface (What's an ^ anyway?). Look at how consistent and clear ed is:

pre:

ag@209:~# ed
yospos
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^C
?
^C
?
^C
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help
?
?
?
quit
?
Killed

xtal posted:

I must be super lucky because I've used btrfs as root for like 8 years, when the Arch wiki page for it had a huge warning banner at the top, and still haven't had any problems. I think I even converted it from ext4 in-place to begin with.

I wouldn't use it for a new system but that's because I've learned about ZFS.

btrfs is fine in single-disk scenarios. It's when you get to Real Work applications where it really shows its deficiencies. ZFS makes handling huge storage machines a breeze and easy to service, with nice and friendly messages and documentation. I wouldn't trust btrfs with our current storage needs where we regularly add entire chassis filled with spinning rust just to feed the ever growing needs of nearline storage.

# ? Oct 28, 2020 13:20

Share Bear: Apr 27, 2004

I love vi/vim and use it every day

Setting nano as the default is good, suck it up nerds

# ? Oct 28, 2020 13:39

Last Chance: Dec 31, 2004

Antigravitas posted:

Whenever I open nano I get confused by its weird interface (What's an ^ anyway?).

is this a joke I'm missing?

Last Chance fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Oct 28, 2020

# ? Oct 28, 2020 14:09

NihilCredo: Jun 6, 2011; iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

NihilCredo posted:

if I can install new applications _and_ I need a terminal-based text editor for some reason, I install micro. it's basically nano but for people who own razors, which is pretty good.

most of the time condition #2 doesn't apply and I throw another 0.3 gb of ram at vscode tho

e: for those who haven't heard of micro: micro-editor.github.io

code:

## Features

- Easy to use and install.
- No dependencies or external files are needed � just the binary you can download further down the page.
- Multiple cursors.
- Common keybindings (Ctrl-s, Ctrl-c, Ctrl-v, Ctrl-z, �).
  - Keybindings can be rebound to your liking.
- Sane defaults.
  - You shouldn't have to configure much out of the box (and it is extremely easy to configure).
- Splits and tabs.
- nano-like menu to help you remember the keybindings.
- Extremely good mouse support.
  - This means mouse dragging to create a selection, double click to select by word, and triple click to select by line.
- Cross-platform (it should work on all the platforms Go runs on).
  - Note that while Windows is supported Mingw/Cygwin is not (see below).
- Plugin system (plugins are written in Lua).
  - micro has a built-in plugin manager to automatically install, remove, and update plugins.
- Built-in diff gutter.
- Simple autocompletion.
- Persistent undo.
- Automatic linting and error notifications.
- Syntax highlighting for over [130 languages](runtime/syntax).
- Color scheme support.
  - By default, micro comes with 16, 256, and true color themes.
- True color support (set the `MICRO_TRUECOLOR` environment variable to 1 to enable it).
- Copy and paste with the system clipboard.
- Small and simple.
- Easily configurable.
- Macros.
- Common editor features such as undo/redo, line numbers, Unicode support, soft wrapping, �

NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Oct 28, 2020

# ? Oct 28, 2020 15:04

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

nano sucks
vi(m) sucks
emacs sucks

ed is the only editor

# ? Oct 28, 2020 15:14

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

one huge advantage of vi that no one mentioned yet is no matter what horrible thing your dipshit coworker did to the machine, it has vi. that alone is enough to make at least minimal vi knowledge worthwhile

# ? Oct 28, 2020 16:08

RFC2324: Jun 7, 2012; http 418

Nomnom Cookie posted:

one huge advantage of vi that no one mentioned yet is no matter what horrible thing your dipshit coworker did to the machine, it has vi. that alone is enough to make at least minimal vi knowledge worthwhile

This. If you work on the cli, you should have basic vi skills, even if you use normally use a bad editor instead

# ? Oct 28, 2020 16:12

mystes: May 31, 2006

Micro looks pretty decent.

# ? Oct 28, 2020 16:12

xtal: Jan 9, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

Nomnom Cookie posted:

one huge advantage of vi that no one mentioned yet is no matter what horrible thing your dipshit coworker did to the machine, it has vi. that alone is enough to make at least minimal vi knowledge worthwhile

Someone just mentioned NixOS and it doesn't come with vi. nano has been the default there for maybe ever.

xtal fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Oct 28, 2020

# ? Oct 28, 2020 16:32

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

NihilCredo posted:

e: for those who haven't heard of micro: micro-editor.github.io

code:

## Features

- Easy to use and install.
- No dependencies or external files are needed � just the binary you can download further down the page.
- Multiple cursors.
- Common keybindings (Ctrl-s, Ctrl-c, Ctrl-v, Ctrl-z, �).
  - Keybindings can be rebound to your liking.
- Sane defaults.
  - You shouldn't have to configure much out of the box (and it is extremely easy to configure).
- Splits and tabs.
- nano-like menu to help you remember the keybindings.
- Extremely good mouse support.
  - This means mouse dragging to create a selection, double click to select by word, and triple click to select by line.
- Cross-platform (it should work on all the platforms Go runs on).
  - Note that while Windows is supported Mingw/Cygwin is not (see below).
- Plugin system (plugins are written in Lua).
  - micro has a built-in plugin manager to automatically install, remove, and update plugins.
- Built-in diff gutter.
- Simple autocompletion.
- Persistent undo.
- Automatic linting and error notifications.
- Syntax highlighting for over [130 languages](runtime/syntax).
- Color scheme support.
  - By default, micro comes with 16, 256, and true color themes.
- True color support (set the `MICRO_TRUECOLOR` environment variable to 1 to enable it).
- Copy and paste with the system clipboard.
- Small and simple.
- Easily configurable.
- Macros.
- Common editor features such as undo/redo, line numbers, Unicode support, soft wrapping, �

unlike nano, this sounds like a modern user friendly editor suitable for use as a default in place of vi

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Antigravitas: Dec 8, 2019; Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Last Chance posted:

is this a joke I'm missing?

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