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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:well if the democrats were that concerned about it perhaps they should have nominated a candidate capable of creating that gap. Unfortunately, as Thanatosian already mentioned, a Biden/Harris ticket seems unlikely to provide that gap via in-person voting on election day. The second there is any actual threat to mailed or absentee ballots (and that is guaranteed; they've been setting the board to do EXACTLY that) the entire thing is up in the air no matter what the numbers say. You asked a direct question and I gave you a direct answer, why are you yelling at me about this?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I remember seeing something a while back about artificial sweetener being in short supply. I did finally see caffeine-free diet coke at Winco last week. Is that why I can't find any loving caffeine-free diet coke?? Even costco has been inconsistent with stocking regular diet coke.
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Oct 28, 2020 22:18
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Solkanar512 posted:You asked a direct question and I gave you a direct answer, why are you yelling at me about this? Mostly because I'm fearful of the rising tide of fascism in this country and depressed at the 'opposition party' being completely ineffective at doing anything to curb it beyond hectoring people to vote so hard that the results are inalienable. I'm 'yelling' at you about it because your answer writes off the efficacy and value of mail-in/absentee ballots during a national pandemic and somehow makes it a voter problem instead of a systemic one. You're acknowledging that there will be challenges to those votes and yet are comforted by the idea that the swift arm of the justice system will put a stop to any shenanigans despite being attached to the body that is dead-set on shenanigans. "If the race is close the process will fail but otherwise please trust the process" is a very strange valley to live in.
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Oct 28, 2020 22:22
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The dismal tide of fascist state violence is not made anodyne by remarking how much worse it could have been. I made a mistake by implying that there was a singular focused top-down direction in this imperial collapse, when I should have merely emphasized that there is the beating of wardrum preparations against the election results. Lincoln had all of a single month after his inauguration before the slaver's revolt- and as others have said, there is no specific number of local popular votes that is going to make the local state security forces arming-up period wasted energy.
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Oct 28, 2020 22:23
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:Mostly because I'm fearful of the rising tide of fascism in this country and depressed at the 'opposition party' being completely ineffective at doing anything to curb it beyond hectoring people to vote so hard that the results are inalienable. I'm 'yelling' at you about it because your answer writes off the efficacy and value of mail-in/absentee ballots during a national pandemic and somehow makes it a voter problem instead of a systemic one. You're acknowledging that there will be challenges to those votes and yet are comforted by the idea that the swift arm of the justice system will put a stop to any shenanigans despite being attached to the body that is dead-set on shenanigans. "If the race is close the process will fail but otherwise please trust the process" is a very strange valley to live in. Your fear is understandable. I'm pretty sure Trump will steal the election. I don't trust the process and I don't think anyone is saying that. If it comes down to one or two states the republicans will fight it. If it's 8 or 10 they have to fight they'll probably just go "gently caress it". It's not the "process" as much as bailing. A couple states being ripped off they can stand. More than that they're risking a civil war and they are all rich and powerful even if they lose their elections and don't want it all to come crashing down. They aren't going to risk their status to go all out for Donald Trump in that situation. I think as many republicans will be drinking champagne as democrats if Trump loses. They'd be in a better position.
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Oct 28, 2020 22:55
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:Mostly because I'm fearful of the rising tide of fascism in this country and depressed at the 'opposition party' being completely ineffective at doing anything to curb it beyond hectoring people to vote so hard that the results are inalienable. I'm 'yelling' at you about it because your answer writes off the efficacy and value of mail-in/absentee ballots during a national pandemic and somehow makes it a voter problem instead of a systemic one. You're acknowledging that there will be challenges to those votes and yet are comforted by the idea that the swift arm of the justice system will put a stop to any shenanigans despite being attached to the body that is dead-set on shenanigans. "If the race is close the process will fail but otherwise please trust the process" is a very strange valley to live in. No, you’re just projecting at this point. You asked how that gap was defined, I told you. You didn’t ask for anything else. Don’t put words in my mouth again.
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Oct 28, 2020 22:58
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Space Gopher posted:The idea that Trump walks in and simply does what he wants without regard to any rules or norms is Trumpist propaganda. In fact, he's been stymied by boring rules and norms at least as often as he's been able to run roughshod over them. Most of what he's actually been able to do is exploit the grey areas and edge cases where the rules do give him power, not just do whatever he wants. Why do you think "don't count the mail-in ballots" isn't going to be a grey area? A bunch of people are suddenly going to start giving a poo poo about disenfranchisement, when they haven't for loving decades, now?
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Oct 28, 2020 23:18
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:Is that why I can't find any loving caffeine-free diet coke?? Even costco has been inconsistent with stocking regular diet coke. So glad I've switched to sparkling water. Try some "Hint of Hint of Lime." Or "Tastes Like the Smell of Lemon."
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Oct 28, 2020 23:19
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Because it's the wfh class that's gonna get disenfranchised this time and trump is keeping them from brunch E: it's still not gonna matter because they're a bunch of bootlickers but that's why they care
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Oct 28, 2020 23:20
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Oct 28, 2020 23:24
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meowmeowmeowmeow posted:Because it's the wfh class that's gonna get disenfranchised this time and trump is keeping them from brunch Heh, yeah, those folks with physical disabilities working from home. What a bunch of loving bootlickers!!! Look, if you folks are going to post fanfic about how Trump is going to unilaterally steal the vote out of every state in the union, could you at least go to the minor effort of explaining how and under what circumstances? You know, the whole “effort being met with no effort” rule? Someone above posted a great link talking about how every state counts votes, so maybe start with that rather than screaming at everyone you see who doesn’t think that the world is going to end in the next week or so.
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Oct 28, 2020 23:30
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I said it is very lovely that the fascist state security forces are arming up in expectation of needing to suppress the populous locally. I have little concern of the local vote being rigged versus a very big concern that power being amassed as it is will result in violent suppression no matter what the result is.
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Oct 28, 2020 23:39
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meowmeowmeowmeow posted:Because it's the wfh class that's gonna get disenfranchised this time and trump is keeping them from brunch Like seriously, go gently caress yourself with this attitude. My brother is a public school teacher and he works from home. His wife runs a daycare and works from home. These aren’t intelligence analysts trying to subvert unionization, they’re loving essential workers trying to do their best and not die in the process. Oh, and they have kids of their own, so they get to homeschool as well. What a bunch of loving bootlickers!!!
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Oct 28, 2020 23:39
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Solkanar512 posted:Like seriously, go gently caress yourself with this attitude. My brother is a public school teacher and he works from home. His wife runs a daycare and works from home. These aren’t intelligence analysts trying to subvert unionization, they’re loving essential workers trying to do their best and not die in the process. None of what you wrote precludes your brother and his wife from being bootlickers
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Oct 28, 2020 23:46
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Yeah I was specifically talking about myself and everyone I work with who gets paid a lot to do almost nothing and who wouldn't shut up about Harris's shoes and who only care about trump because our european colleagues won't stop making fun of them for having a lovely president, who think that biden will erase the roni and who support blm but hope all the people protesting go to jail, but if you saw yourself and your friends in 'wfh bootlickers' then maybe you should take a look at yourself lmao
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Oct 28, 2020 23:51
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Solkanar512 posted:Look, if you folks are going to post fanfic about how Trump is going to unilaterally steal the vote out of every state in the union, could you at least go to the minor effort of explaining how and under what circumstances? You know, the whole “effort being met with no effort” rule? Pennsylvania just announced that it will segregate mail ballots received after polls close and SCOTUS said they count for now but also we could reconsider after the election and decide they need to be thrown out. So if Pennsylvania is a tipping point state for Biden it’s probably lost.
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Oct 29, 2020 00:02
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JFC this is the PNW thread, we should be smoking some legal weed and talking about local issues instead of whatever this national election doom-posting thing is. There are already threads for that. Also, sorry if I’m stepping on anyone’s toes here, but I mostly wanna get back to talking about Tim Eyman’s failed runs or how Loren Culp is going to eat poo poo next week.
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generic one posted:JFC this is the PNW thread, we should be smoking some legal weed and talking about local issues instead of whatever this national election doom-posting thing is. There are already threads for that. let's talk about dory boats. they're great, right? how they ZOOM right up onto shore and people have to dive for cover
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generic one posted:JFC this is the PNW thread, we should be smoking some legal weed and talking about local issues instead of whatever this national election doom-posting thing is. There are already threads for that. buddy, i tried pivoting to the continual ineptitude of tevis teargas wheeler but the soup du jour is apparently thinking republicans are going to deviate course for the first time in the last 20 years
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turn it up TURN ME ON posted:let's talk about dory boats. they're great, right? how they ZOOM right up onto shore and people have to dive for cover Dori boats also apologize for anyone who may have been offended, and they’re praying for forgiveness.  edit: the jerkbag emote is for Dori, not you, fellow goon.IM DAY DAY IRL posted:buddy, i tried pivoting to the continual ineptitude of tevis teargas wheeler but the soup du jour is apparently thinking republicans are going to deviate course for the first time in the last 20 years Wheeler loving sucks and I miss visiting Portland. How do things seem like they’re going for Iannarone? generic one fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Oct 29, 2020 |
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Tough to say. There seems to be a lot of grassroots support for Sarah, but that is probably just my bubble. I expect Ted to win, but I am hoping I'm wrong.
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Oscar Wild posted:Tough to say. There seems to be a lot of grassroots support for Sarah, but that is probably just my bubble. I expect Ted to win, but I am hoping I'm wrong. Well if the middle aged white woman in Walmart in St Helens whose son is joining the Marine Corps is any indicator, Sarah is "Crazy" and will destroy Portland so I hope she does not win.
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Oct 29, 2020 00:29
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:buddy, i tried pivoting to the continual ineptitude of tevis teargas wheeler but the soup du jour is apparently thinking republicans are going to deviate course for the first time in the last 20 years Dude, you started this national derail! I don't blame you. We are all very on edge. But at this point we might as well go for it. We're 6 days away from the election that will be a thing for everyone and the PNW. We might as well embrace it.
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turn it up TURN ME ON posted:Well if the middle aged white woman in Walmart in St Helens whose son is joining the Marine Corps is any indicator, Sarah is "Crazy" and will destroy Portland so I hope she does not win. the guy in the fastener department at parkrose hardware told me that he 'has to vote for ted because that woman who is running against him is full-blown antifa' so who loving knows fwiw this was said well before those mailers went out.
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Oct 29, 2020 00:36
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:the guy in the fastener department at parkrose hardware told me that he 'has to vote for ted because that woman who is running against him is full-blown antifa' so who loving knows the HORROR from the way this woman was talking I fully assumed Sarah to actually be a 64 foot monster that would smash downtown with fire breath
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generic one posted:Dori boats also apologize for anyone who may have been offended, and they’re praying for forgiveness. generic one posted:JFC this is the PNW thread, we should be smoking some legal weed and talking about local issues instead of whatever this national election doom-posting thing is. There are already threads for that.
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generic one posted:JFC this is the PNW thread, we should be smoking some legal weed and talking about local issues instead of whatever this national election doom-posting thing is. There are already threads for that. Ehh the aftermath of general is going to be a thing here. I’m expecting to see militia types again where I live, no matter how it goes.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Ehh the aftermath of general is going to be a thing here. I’m expecting to see militia types again where I live, no matter how it goes. the only militia type I regularly see right now is a dude who has to use his grocery cart like a walker. I'm not terrified of him
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It's weird how many culp signs don't have a trump sign with them, but all the trump signs have a culp sign. This is based on some recent time on the OP and rural klickitat/yakima/lewis counties mostly.
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Thanatosian posted:I mean, I think there's a very real chance Donald Trump just flat "legitimately" wins the election (not the popular vote, just the electoral college), but not even I think Culp has a chance in loving hell. What is there to say? Culp is the sacrificial lamb this year. I dunno. We make fun of Tim Eyman plenty, since he’s been a non-stop source of schadenfreude? Bar Ran Dun posted:Ehh the aftermath of general is going to be a thing here. I’m expecting to see militia types again where I live, no matter how it goes. Yeah, and I totally get that. It’s understandable. It seems like Portland’s seeing a lot more of that poo poo than Seattle, but once you get into the non-metro areas, it’s basically Mississippi in both states.
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turn it up TURN ME ON posted:the only militia type I regularly see right now is a dude who has to use his grocery cart like a walker. I'm not terrified of him I had about 40 or 50 out in the park drilling during the fires. Not the brightest bunch ( lol at pushup’s in 350 AQI) looked like younger internet types. Don’t think they were local, we’re just the first town out of the mountains in the highway. I’m expecting armed idiots.
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meowmeowmeowmeow posted:It's weird how many culp signs don't have a trump sign with them, but all the trump signs have a culp sign. Republicans in WA seem to be trying to distance themselves from Donald as much as they can. poo poo, even the Spokesman-Review came out with the following endorsement for Donald. quote:Donald Trump is a bully and a bigot. He is symptomatic of a widening partisan divide in the country. We recommend voting for him anyway because the policies that Joe Biden and his progressive supporters would impose on the nation would be worse.
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Thanatosian posted:I mean, I think there's a very real chance Donald Trump just flat "legitimately" wins the election (not the popular vote, just the electoral college), but not even I think Culp has a chance in loving hell. What is there to say? Culp is the sacrificial lamb this year. Have there been any good postmortem writeups on the Republican side of the primary? Culp just seems like the worst candidate they could have picked short of Eyman - he's not charismatic and it's not like the Republic voters that already know him are going to swing anything. The Republican establishment wanted Garcia, but he was picked at the last minute and Jebbed out. Josh Freed was the Human Suburb, which you'd think would have gotten more than 9% of the vote with Washington Republicans, but that didn't happen either. Either one of them seems like they'd have done a better job stumping for downballot Republicans and generally helping out the state party. I get that Washington Republicans aren't much of a statewide force right now, but you'd think that they could find some higher-profile politician, maybe from a town in Eastern WA with at least one traffic light. Was it just that the Republican establishment didn't bother to back a candidate until it started looking like Eyman might end up being their guy?
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The state party leadership doesn't pick the candidate, the primary voters do. Obviously leadership can put a hand on a scale, but they can't pick the nominee themselves. Republican voters in 2020 aren't interested in the east side business oriented Republican. There are and will be more and more Loren Culps throughout the country as the base of the Republican party continues to go of the deep end.
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Oct 29, 2020 01:20
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Space Gopher posted:Have there been any good postmortem writeups on the Republican side of the primary? Wait, he’s not actually charismatic? His fans won’t shut the gently caress up about him and are happy to ignore the fact that he put the word of a child molester above the needs of his victim.
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Oct 29, 2020 01:21
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Space Gopher posted:Have there been any good postmortem writeups on the Republican side of the primary? The WAGOP has been in open free-fall since Dino lost the Governor race. Assembling behind anyone would require visionary leadership for a party that hasn't won a statewide race since 1994. Here is a good explainer from Seattle's only newspaper about how Culp came from nowhere to get the 2nd slot.
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Gerund posted:The WAGOP has been in open free-fall since Dino lost the Governor race. Assembling behind anyone would require visionary leadership for a party that hasn't won a statewide race since 1994. Mmm. Dino. God drat, he managed to fail worse than Eyman on a few occasions. What’s he up to these days? Let’s check in on his Twitter account: https://twitter.com/dinorossiwa/status/1260342657521352704?s=21 Alrighty then. Looks like he’s got his next move planned. Good luck getting rid of him, CA-25!
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Gubernatorial Elections seems to be where WA republican careers go to die. How many of the sort of people who would be "better" candidates than Culp even want to take a shot at it?
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