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that just makes you look pathetic. he was saying racist things and hangs out with racists but i dont think he's racist. well then you're racist m8
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Communist Thoughts posted:that just makes you look pathetic. The things he has said are borderline (although there are rather a lot of them), and a number of his fellow travellers are more overtly AS. So I kind of agree with Balls. I don’t think Corbyn is AS (or if he is, it’s barely), but he is/was blind to it on the left, which is why Labour got into the whole mess. This is the kinder interpretation. therattle has issued a correction as of 16:55 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Ed balls.
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therattle posted:The things he has said are borderline (although there are rather a lot of them), and a number of his fellow travellers are more overtly AS. So I kind of agree with Balls. I don’t think Corbyn is AS (or if he is, it’s barely), but he is/was blind to it on the left, which is why Labour got into the whole mess. lmao
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therattle posted:The things he has said are borderline (although there are rather a lot of them), and a number of his fellow travellers are more overtly AS. So I kind of agree with Balls. I don’t think Corbyn is AS (or if he is, it’s barely), but he is/was blind to it on the left, which is why Labour got into the whole mess. 
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There is no purity test that Corbyn could have passed or position to support that would silence the people that are attacking Corbyn for anti-Semitism. Corbyn could renounce his past, denounce every person he ever spoke with, demand that Jonathan Pollard be made a life peer, and publicly support driving the Palestinians into the sea or deporting them to Jordan and this would still not be enough. Engaging with his critics was just giving them power and legitimizing their critiques.
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therattle posted:The things he has said are borderline (although there are rather a lot of them), and a number of his fellow travellers are more overtly AS. So I kind of agree with Balls. I don’t think Corbyn is AS (or if he is, it’s barely), but he is/was blind to it on the left, which is why Labour got into the whole mess. no this is a wrong read of the situation like, sure, corbyn probably could've been more careful in some situations, but there's genuinely no indication that he's been lax on the issue. the revamping of labour's disciplinary process to try and police this stuff happened on his watch - after pressure, certainly, but it's more than could be said for just about every other senior politician in britain. you got played and are *still* being played by a baseless smear campaign.
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If Corbyn didn't want to be called an anti-semite then he should simply have become a Tory.
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V. Illych L. posted:no this is a wrong read of the situation esteemed poster "therattle" is well-known for his deep though-provoking posts so, perhaps, the one who was played is you
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Someone bought me that avatar. I think it's funny. Glad you agree! V. Illych L. posted:no this is a wrong read of the situation I don't agree, I'm afraid. It took so long for the Labour leadership (especially Corbyn) to acknowledge that there was a problem. And as you say, it only happened after a LOT of pressure, for what felt like a long time. That reluctance speaks volumes. Can you imagine how that feels? When the leader of a party which you support is constantly being asked to condemn racism which you witness but refuses? The great majority of British Jews believe that Labour has a problem with anti-semitism (including many who broadly support Corbyn's agenda - as I do, actually). Have we all been played? Alternatively, might there be something there which we, as Jews, can see but which others can't or won't? I don't know of any other minority group which, when claiming that it saw discrimination, would be told that it's not discrimination, it's invented for political purposes, or it's imagined. Do the thought experiment. bedpan posted:There is no purity test that Corbyn could have passed or position to support that would silence the people that are attacking Corbyn for anti-Semitism. And there is nothing Jews can say to persuade you that antisemitism was a real problem. But try reading these: https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2020/10/25/labour-ehrc-impact-on-jewish-people/ https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/changed-my-mind-jewish-labour-activist-why-he-left-party/ 90s Cringe Rock posted:If Corbyn didn't want to be called an anti-semite then he should simply have become a Tory. And then he could have become an Islamophobe too!
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This guy is repeating discredited smear campaigns as fact. quote:So, I mean, at points it was obvious. It was also said that he laid a wreath at the grave of the Munich terrorists who had abducted the entire Israeli Olympic team, murdered them and castrated them all. And so to lay a wreath at the grave of the group that did that is was perceived by the Jewish community in Britain to be not a terribly sympathetic act. Also he has rejoined the labor party now that sensible Keir Starmer has utterly obliterated the systemic antisemitism in the labor party.
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therattle posted:I don't know of any other minority group which, when claiming that it saw discrimination, would be told that it's not discrimination, it's invented for political purposes, or it's imagined. Do the thought experiment. i've done the thought experiment, and it's every minority group
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bedpan posted:This guy is repeating discredited smear campaigns as fact. That quote is one element of why he left. There were others. And I know that JC was "present but did not participate". He didn't lay the wreath at the graves of people who murdered and castrated Israeli athletes - it was just the people he was with! I mean, it's better, sure, but it's nor really great.
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Nobody is saying there is absolutely no antisemitism in labour but the old complaints team who hated Corbyn deliberately sat on cases about it to make him look bad and some of those cases were grotesque Saying it took Corbyn too long to get a handle on it is because party rules due to the nec makeup made it impossible Anyways if guilt by association is a thing now ed balld should tread very carefully from may 2019 btw https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/leaked-emails-reveal-labours-compliance-unit-took-months-to
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Starving our next generation certainly is a plan
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therattle posted:Children don’t vote or pay taxes. Now, figure out a way to make money from feeding them and then we’ll talk. repeal child labour laws
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Dreylad posted:repeal child labour laws Exactly! I mean, talk about scroungers.
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Also https://twitter.com/populismupdates/status/1321516014404685824
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Well this is very good
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therattle posted:That quote is one element of why he left. There were others. And I know that JC was "present but did not participate". He didn't lay the wreath at the graves of people who murdered and castrated Israeli athletes - it was just the people he was with! I mean, it's better, sure, but it's nor really great. Do shut up. At least until you've read Labour's internal report on the issue. You're repeating pure propaganda.
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Jose posted:Nobody is saying there is absolutely no antisemitism in labour but the old complaints team who hated Corbyn deliberately sat on cases about it to make him look bad and some of those cases were grotesque Posters have said there was no problem, eg V. Ilyich wrote quote:there was never a serious investigation that showed any systemic antisemitism in the party relative to society at large, there was never any actual indications that antisemitism was a real problem other than some heavily machined testimonies and inevitable individual incidents. it was all bullshit. That's totally dismissive of AS within the party. Have you got any pieces about the disciplinary panel sitting on cases? I'd be interested in reading about that. It wasn't just that he took a long time to get a handle on it - he took a long time to simply acknowledge that there was a problem that needed addressing. endlessmonotony posted:Do shut up. Would that be the report that Thomas Gardiner said was intentionally misleading? Propaganda goes both ways. That report isn't necessarily the gospel truth. therattle has issued a correction as of 21:40 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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I read an advanced copy of the report. Bombshell revelation is that Jeremy Corbin regularly used a time machine to travel to the past and have sex with Hitler.
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bedpan posted:I read an advanced copy of the report. Bombshell revelation is that Jeremy Corbin regularly used a time machine to travel to the past and have sex with Hitler. Adolf Hitler: power bottom.
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You can find a copy.of the report for yourself. Those saying it's propaganda is because they've almost certainly been saying some heinous poo poo that is recorded
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therattle posted:Exactly! I mean, talk about scroungers. Surely Big Tech has already figured out how to do this
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Jose posted:You can find a copy.of the report for yourself. Those saying it's propaganda is because they've almost certainly been saying some heinous poo poo that is recorded Ok, I wasn’t sure that you were referring to the report. Ta.
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therattle posted:Posters have said there was no problem, eg V. Ilyich wrote i'm dismissing antisemitism as a problem of the party because there is literally nothing apart from individual incidents - inevitable in an organisation of several hundred thousand people - to indicate that it is or ever was a problem in the party
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therattle posted:Would that be the report that Thomas Gardiner said was intentionally misleading? Propaganda goes both ways. That report isn't necessarily the gospel truth. Are you some kind of werecontrarian who starts spouting extremely stupid poo poo like this once the full moon approaches? No poo poo you can't trust Labour unconditionally. But the same absolutely applies to the Tories. You can't take one side as lies and the other as gospel and expect to get rewarded unless you're a journalist.
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now, the disciplinary process being set up to weed out trots and nothing else was indeed a problem, but corbyn fixed that once he got his ally in as general secretary of the party
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V. Illych L. posted:i'm dismissing antisemitism as a problem of the party because there is literally nothing apart from individual incidents - inevitable in an organisation of several hundred thousand people - to indicate that it is or ever was a problem in the party Please stop trying to help
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There absolutely are a bunch of racists in the Labour party. Problem being that Corbyn was actively prevented from doing anything at all about the problem. And Mr Forensic is, uh, sure doing a lot about the problem.
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bedpan posted:I read an advanced copy of the report. Bombshell revelation is that Jeremy Corbin regularly used a time machine to travel to the past and have sex with Hitler. the last round of anti-Semitism discourse in this thread began after journalists who pushed the "Corbyn is an anti-Semite" story posted on twitter about which Nazis they thought were hot. So to that crowd, Corbyn having sex with Hitler would be problematic, but not necessarily disqualifying. Just, another one of his questionable acquaintances.
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the piece of writing i feel puts the issue most clearly is this, by david graeber: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/first-time-my-life-im-frightened-be-jewish/
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V. Illych L. posted:the piece of writing i feel puts the issue most clearly is this, by david graeber: it's good
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V. Illych L. posted:the piece of writing i feel puts the issue most clearly is this, by david graeber: He really was a huge loss At this point, it's supremely obvious that anyone still going on like "Well I don't think Corbyn is an anti-semite, but he should have been more careful with his associations, and there were problems in the party he was slow to deal with, and and" is either a total mark and a rube or a lying piece of poo poo, and either way should be totally disregarded
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take him back please https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1321586166076825600?s=20
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