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Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


BuckyDoneGun posted:

I know plenty of places let you register almost anything with wheels, lights and indicators, but as an example, in NZ’s most recent round of changes to LVVTA (Low Volume Vehicle Technical Association) rules have some interesting changes around structural modifications. Any vehicle under 14 years old may NOT modify any part of the front crash structure. In practice, this means no aftermarket front mount intercoolers and definitely no drilling holes for piping. Over 14 years, you’re allowed “minimal trimming” to allow piping, but if you drilled a whole 3 or 4 inch hole, you’re probably not getting that street registered.

If you could get an engineer to sign off proving your mods don’t affect the original crash performance you’d be OK, but about the only way you’re doing that is by doing your own crash testing. No certifying engineer is putting their career on the line for a front mount.

I thought NZ was the land of freedom to modify? As for Oz I see some crazy good stuff outta NSW but they also need to get roadworthied every year so you know you are getting at least a certain level of quality on anything second hand. Buying something second hand in QLD is a crapshoot especially if no roady is given at time of sale. Cars can get theoretically get safety checked ONCE (at time of initial dealer brand new) then live as a one owner car for 20 years with no maintenance and roll on the roads daily.

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BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk
So we have what’s called a Warrant of Fitness, same as a roadworthy or MoT. Safety inspection every 12mo for post-2000, every 6mo for older. For modified vehicles, you need LVVTA certification - basically a certified engineer sign off. Once you’ve got that, a plate with the mod details is affixed to the car and if the WoF guys give you poo poo about your mods, you point to that.

The vast majority of stuff that needs sign off is incredibly practical and what anyone with half a brain would do anyway. Non standard engine or gearbox? Are your mounts designed properly and welded properly? Modified crossmember bolted to factory mount points good. No you cannot just shove a bolt through the floor pan without reinforcement. Want to fit a Jag IRS to your hot rod? There’s actually a whole info sheet that tells you everything you need to do to make it pass. For the most part, read the rules before you start cutting and talk with an engineer, you’ll be good. Heaps of the stuff they get a hardon for is actually a direct reaction to real world examples of poo poo going wrong. There’s lists of “don’t use these components they’re poo poo and you’ll fail” for eg a whole bunch of stuff about Chinesium bearings. There’s a bunch of stuff about “use reputable recognised aftermarket components”.

This doc tells you everything about the thresholds for needing certification: https://www.lvvta.org.nz/documents/suplementary_information/LVVTA_LVV_Cert_Threshold.pdf

The most anal it gets from my point of view is height adjustable coil overs need certification. Seats can be a trap too unless you can say “OE seat fitting in OE manner to OE mounts”. Certifying basic mods like that would be around $400. There’s also some dumb stuff like exhaust cutouts. Factory fitted like modern cars with valves the open in SPORT MODE is just fine, but you can’t fit an identical system to a car that didn’t come with it. Oh and while typing this I discovered that chipping/tuning a forced induction vehicle technically needs certification, haha I bet NO ONE bothers with that, since no one would ever know.

Also no emissions testing. There are standards cars have to meet to be imported, but the only thing ever checked during WoF is “are there still cats installed?”. You could gut them happily.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Olympic Mathlete posted:

This was always a great looking car but in race mode, drat.

https://twitter.com/mwoodski/status/1321085013522337796?s=20

That looks amazing. Never seen a race Corvair like that, so thanks for something new!

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:



Seems like there was some fuckery going on during this attempt. It's confusing to read!

https://www.thedrive.com/news/37317/ssc-admits-tuataras-331-mph-top-speed-video-was-incorrect-as-chaos-engulfs-world-record-run

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009


What's with all the bullshit here? Why would anyone believe any of this?

If the car really put down those numbers it can do it again WITH proper observers present. Just run it again you lying sacks of poo poo.

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
Look, the car was In Motion, okay

freelop
Apr 28, 2013

Where we're going, we won't need fries to see



Olympic Mathlete posted:

Today I was made aware that Volkswagen have their own sausage factory


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWP32tCPv_w

My ex's parents worked at VW Wolfsburg so when I visited I had VW Currywurst and it was pretty drat good
I swear I had several pictures from the museum there but they seem to be missing.
Create proper photo backups people :(

e:
I found it but only took 2 pictures apparently? Not sure what either of these are


freelop fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Oct 29, 2020

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule




That indeed was hard to read. So I thought I'd click on a video embedded in the article to see if my dumb brain can figure it. Oh crap it's a Shmee video...I really don't feel like being irritated today.

Thorbeef
Jul 24, 2007

BuckyDoneGun posted:

This doc tells you everything about the thresholds for needing certification: https://www.lvvta.org.nz/documents/suplementary_information/LVVTA_LVV_Cert_Threshold.pdf

Thanks for linking this. Been looking through the lvvta site trying to find this. I'm 6 years into a BMW 2002 build with a 2.5ltr engine from an e30 hoping to stroke it to 2.8 and wasn't sure what the requirements for strengthening are. I figured that over engineering everything never hurts. Chur chur

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Humphreys posted:

That indeed was hard to read. So I thought I'd click on a video embedded in the article to see if my dumb brain can figure it. Oh crap it's a Shmee video...I really don't feel like being irritated today.

Shmee link was unintentional, I'd never do that to AI on purpose :(

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

Yeah if they're confident in their car just loving run it again with independent observers, GPS techs etc. There's no other way they get out of this without looking shady now.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


cakesmith handyman posted:

Yeah if they're confident in their car just loving run it again with independent observers, GPS techs etc. There's no other way they get out of this without looking shady now.

Exactly.

How's FChat going with the alleged owner who was posting about the run a few days ago?

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Two things from Autoblog:

GM made an EV K5 Blazer:
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/10/29/chevy-k5-blazer-e-electric-crate-motor-package/#slide-2273971



And speaking of Blazer-like objects, Mitsuoka is still at it:
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/10/29/mitsuoka-buddy-retro-toyota-rav4-japan-tuner/




That's a RAV4, if you can believe it. Kinda shows how bloated that thing has gotten over the years, doesn't it? It's now big enough to be a Chevy Blazer.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Unfortunately they don't show the best part, which is the huge battery in the back



This and I'm sure the high cost are really a problem, otherwise it'd be great for reviving old cars.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Owns very, very hard and will kill you without a second thought.

quote:

This 1968 Triumph TR6 is finished in green with a black convertible top over black leather, and during prior ownership a turbocharged RB25DET inline-six and a Nissan-sourced five-speed manual transmission were installed. Additional modifications include a roll hoop, 15″ Panasport wheels, billet rear trailing arms, adjustable rear coilover assemblies, upgraded four-wheel disc brakes, and a custom dashboard with Stewart Warner instrumentation and a Pioneer touchscreen stereo.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-triumph-tr6-2/





Bonus dog

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Darchangel posted:

Two things from Autoblog:

GM made an EV K5 Blazer:
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/10/29/chevy-k5-blazer-e-electric-crate-motor-package/#slide-2273971



And speaking of Blazer-like objects, Mitsuoka is still at it:
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/10/29/mitsuoka-buddy-retro-toyota-rav4-japan-tuner/




That's a RAV4, if you can believe it. Kinda shows how bloated that thing has gotten over the years, doesn't it? It's now big enough to be a Chevy Blazer.

The tail light on the last one looks like a texture mapping error, but otherwise... Mitsuoka made something... Cool? Not horrifying?

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Olympic Mathlete posted:

Owns very, very hard and will kill you without a second thought.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-triumph-tr6-2/





Bonus dog


ugh four point harnesses

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

Darchangel posted:

And speaking of Blazer-like objects, Mitsuoka is still at it:
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/10/29/mitsuoka-buddy-retro-toyota-rav4-japan-tuner/




That's a RAV4, if you can believe it. Kinda shows how bloated that thing has gotten over the years, doesn't it? It's now big enough to be a Chevy Blazer.

The black plastic wheel arch cladding is the dead giveaway that it is a RAV4. Really clashes with all the retro chrome :cmon:

But for a Mitsuoka attempt... I don't hate it.

redgubbinz
May 1, 2007

It's better than the actual Blazer currently on sale.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


mobby_6kl posted:

Unfortunately they don't show the best part, which is the huge battery in the back



This and I'm sure the high cost are really a problem, otherwise it'd be great for reviving old cars.

To be fair, they used as much off the shelf as possible (that's a stock Bolt battery pack) to show how it works, but yeah, the fitment there is a bit underwhelming. Sure, I definitely want to destroy any utility of my vehicle while converting it...
Cost is going to be an issue for a number of years. I'm glad to see a start to "crate" EV systems, though. Just needs a more modular battery setup to make it really viable.

Finger Prince posted:

The tail light on the last one looks like a texture mapping error, but otherwise... Mitsuoka made something... Cool? Not horrifying?

I know, right? It's certainly odd, bu not... nauseating?


redgubbinz posted:

It's better than the actual Blazer currently on sale.

Agreed. I didn't see the point of the new Blazer (other than cashing in on the name with clueless buyers) when they introduced it. Oh, *another* midsized FWD CUV? Don't you already have 4, Chevy?

edit: holy gently caress, they added another one.



edit again: and the Trailblazer does that silly thing with the headlights that the Cherokee did. You know, the things at the top *aren't* headlights.

Darchangel fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Oct 29, 2020

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
Let's have a drink!

Olympic Mathlete posted:

Owns very, very hard and will kill you without a second thought.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-triumph-tr6-2/





Bonus dog


I don't like that it's a turbo engine because something like that should be N/A and ITB.

But considering the very British dog I call it a win.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Dave Inc. posted:

I don't like that it's a turbo engine because something like that should be N/A and ITB.

But considering the very British dog I call it a win.

Not to mention that a NA RB25 would probably be more than enough for that chassis.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Hence my initial 'will kill you' comment. It's nice of them to put big brakes on it but it will likely be something big and immovable that slows you down.

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

Good page.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Olympic Mathlete posted:

Hence my initial 'will kill you' comment. It's nice of them to put big brakes on it but it will likely be something big and immovable that slows you down.

https://www.schradersspeedandstyle.com/ss_1969-triumph-tr6.html

Actually I suspect it'll handle the power far better than most modern cars would, the suspension and brakes are fairly track capable and the rest of the work looks to have made it quite well sorted.

HOWEVER while the chassis is more than up to it......

quote:

215/55 General Altimax HP tires showing 2007 date codes

Hmmm yeah nah bro, that's def gonna Paul Walker someone

BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk

supermegaultra posted:

Thanks for linking this. Been looking through the lvvta site trying to find this. I'm 6 years into a BMW 2002 build with a 2.5ltr engine from an e30 hoping to stroke it to 2.8 and wasn't sure what the requirements for strengthening are. I figured that over engineering everything never hurts. Chur chur

I’d start here, it references everything else you need, but as always, talking to a certifying engineer is the way to go.

https://www.lvvta.org.nz/documents/standards/LVVTA_STD_Engine_&_Drive-train_Conversions.pdf

But roughly, if you had say, OEM 6-cyl mounts connected to strengthened subframe in a manner that resists all forces front rear and sideways, positions the centre line of the crank as close to factory as possible, you have something that prevents the engine dropping on the steering if a mount fails, your good to go.

As I said before “in an OEM manner” goes a long way. Had a mate do an S54 into E30 swap and I think the only non BMW part used was a small plate to help clear the brake booster which wouldn’t even be needed in LHD. Car flew through cert because of that. OEM mounts, OEM driveshafts (heavier duty 5 series parts replacing 3 series) etc.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Darchangel posted:

To be fair, they used as much off the shelf as possible (that's a stock Bolt battery pack) to show how it works, but yeah, the fitment there is a bit underwhelming. Sure, I definitely want to destroy any utility of my vehicle while converting it...
Cost is going to be an issue for a number of years. I'm glad to see a start to "crate" EV systems, though. Just needs a more modular battery setup to make it really viable.
...
They didn't say much but I understood that the crate kit would be basically the Bolt gear, so it'd look exactly like that. Or maybe not, this article is a bit more detailed but doesn't clarify it: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/10/chevrolet-readies-an-electric-crate-motor-for-homebuilt-ev-hotrods/?comments=1&start=120

Imo the batteries would definitely need to be more modular for this to work for DIY purposes, because you can't engineer your existing body around a huge flat pack like they can with a new one. So you have to put them wherever you have some space. In most RWD applications I imagine you could put the motor where the gearbox normally is, and then stick some batteries under the hood and some where the fuel tank used to live.

NoWake
Dec 28, 2008

College Slice

Darchangel posted:

edit again: and the Trailblazer does that silly thing with the headlights that the Cherokee did. You know, the things at the top *aren't* headlights.

I've been seeing this design language on everything from Silverados to Seouls for the last few years. I didn't know what to call it, and I haven't seen anybody talking about it (until you just did).

I don't like it. It goes along with fake ducts filled with solid plastic, tailpipes that split into a Y past the rear axle, and those decklid spoilers factories loved to tack onto their FWD sedans in the 90's. It's a design trick they use to make up for poor performance, or a lack of technical innovation.

"ooh, you've got tiny little headlights because they're LEDs, and they're so POWERFUL they don't need to be big!" "ohh those big ol' halogen globes down low, those are just the fog lights, don't pay attention to those."

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


youtube actually giving a decent recommendation for once?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpH6A-_UDY0

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

Guinness posted:

The black plastic wheel arch cladding is the dead giveaway that it is a RAV4. Really clashes with all the retro chrome :cmon:

But for a Mitsuoka attempt... I don't hate it.

Personally I like it way better than the current bloated Blazer looks, that sort-of retro style really fits & the stance isn't too high or wide either

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


mobby_6kl posted:

They didn't say much but I understood that the crate kit would be basically the Bolt gear, so it'd look exactly like that. Or maybe not, this article is a bit more detailed but doesn't clarify it: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/10/chevrolet-readies-an-electric-crate-motor-for-homebuilt-ev-hotrods/?comments=1&start=120

Imo the batteries would definitely need to be more modular for this to work for DIY purposes, because you can't engineer your existing body around a huge flat pack like they can with a new one. So you have to put them wherever you have some space. In most RWD applications I imagine you could put the motor where the gearbox normally is, and then stick some batteries under the hood and some where the fuel tank used to live.

The Autoblog article says that the Bolt motor is connected to a typical automatic trans, but that may just be to facilitate the 4x4 function of that particular vehicle. Ideally, yeah, shove that motor down the tunnel. Even better, with IRS vehicles, replace the diff like in a Tesla,if you have the space.

NoWake posted:

I've been seeing this design language on everything from Silverados to Seouls for the last few years. I didn't know what to call it, and I haven't seen anybody talking about it (until you just did).

I don't like it. It goes along with fake ducts filled with solid plastic, tailpipes that split into a Y past the rear axle, and those decklid spoilers factories loved to tack onto their FWD sedans in the 90's. It's a design trick they use to make up for poor performance, or a lack of technical innovation.

"ooh, you've got tiny little headlights because they're LEDs, and they're so POWERFUL they don't need to be big!" "ohh those big ol' halogen globes down low, those are just the fog lights, don't pay attention to those."

I’m going to guess it’s because trucks and truck-like objects keep getting taller, and are beginning to run afoul of headlight-height laws. The first time I noticed the headlights-on-bottom thing in a factory application is on the original Chevy Colorado. Still don’t like it on those.

edit: just realized that the ArsTechnica article is written by our own drgitlin.

Darchangel fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Oct 30, 2020

Imperador do Brasil
Nov 18, 2005
Rotor-rific



BOOTY-ADE posted:

Personally I like it way better than the current bloated Blazer looks, that sort-of retro style really fits & the stance isn't too high or wide either

Big blazer best blazer


Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009


I dunno what it is but it looks like it's up to no good.

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



https://twitter.com/JEROM___/status/1321930339556691969?s=20

Big Taint
Oct 19, 2003

Darchangel posted:

Even better, with IRS vehicles, replace the diff like in a Tesla,if you have the space.

That’s what I’m doing with my GTV, except I also need to make the IRS part of it...

Plenty of room for the Leaf motor though! :D

antimatt
Sep 12, 2007

ultima ratio regum

Wistful of Dollars posted:

I dunno what it is but it looks like it's up to no good.

VW W12, specifically the one that set the endurance speed record at Nardo.

https://drivetribe.com/p/the-story-of-the-volkswagen-nardo-PSWXo2MsSTa9lCAL60iaQg

There's some good info about it. I recognized it from playing way too much Gran Turismo and it bugged me until I finally remembered what it was.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Knew this was gonna be in the comments:

https://twitter.com/imBINGnotGOOGLE/status/1322237611302391818?s=09

Drive through Yosemite last week and was playing eurobeat in my head the whole time. Although I hoped it would be Deja Vu, not Night on Fire.

E: Lmao

https://twitter.com/ThirdEyeRaven/status/1322060199130181632?s=09

Wasabi the J fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Oct 30, 2020

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Why the gently caress would you continue on with people screaming like that?

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

Applebees Appetizer posted:

Why the gently caress would you continue on with people screaming like that?

Because it’s funny.

But also because it’s not real.

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Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
It's sped up a whole bunch and the audio track has been overlaid. It's just a bus driver driving cautiously down some twisty roads.

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