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ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Nilbop posted:

A man who's led his country for 25 years is probably at least a little bit representative of that country. That's my horrible opinion.

re: Malaysia

Malaysia has essentially no Jewish population, which makes them a free punching bag. Both the Malay reformists and Malay ultranationalists will engage in it (most notoriously demonstrated during the 1Malaysia APCO scandal, where both sides took turns accusing each other of being more infiltrated by Zionists). There's a saying about how Arab support for fighting Israel "to the last Egyptian" is directly proportional to their distance from Israel* - that's true in the opposite direction on the Islamic crescent nations too. It's a cheap way to score points.

A sample from the APCO tussle in 2010 (note that Bersih was the progressive dissident organisation in this exchange, supporting Anwar Ibrahim at the time. This was whilst Mahathir was notionally retired):

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HULU SELANGOR, April 18 � The first day of the official Hulu Selangor campaign saw the main contenders, Barisan Nasional and Pakatan Rakyat, exchange allegations of Jewish links against each other in the race for the majority Malay vote.

Malays form more than half of the 64,500 voters who will have to pick between BN, PR and two independents contesting the April 25 by-election, the 10th since Election 2008.

A BN campaigner from Johor, Rosdi Amir slammed Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, claiming it was ironic that the opposition leader himself was linking the ruling BN government with Israel for hiring communication consultant, APCO Worldwide.

�His media adviser is an Pakistani-American, who is funded by the Jews,� Rosdi bluntly told his audience in Kampung Pasir Kerling without giving any names, while campaigning for P. Kamalanathan.

Kamalanathan is facing PKR�s Datuk Zaid Ibrahim and independents Johan Md Diah and V.S. Chandran for the seat left vacant by the death of PKR MP Datuk Dr Zainal Abidin Ahmad, who won by a narrow 198 votes in Election 2008.

Speaking in the constituency located more that 7,000 kilometres from Tel Aviv, Rosdi alleged that Anwar�s tenure as visiting professor at an American university was funded by Jewish groups.

�[More] proof that he is funded by the Jews was when he was appointed as lecturer John Hopkins University with the financial assistance from the Jews,� he added.

He claimed that Anwar would end up as a �Jewish puppet�, should he takes over the government.

�They like to manipulate weak leaders from various countries,� Rosdi said.

Citing more Jewish links for PR, he accused DAP of being under Jewish control as it is a member of the Socialist International.

Rosdi described the International Jewish Labour Bund, World Labour Zionist Movement, Israeli Labour Party and New Movement-Meretz, all members of the Socialist International as the backbone of the organisation.

�Do we want them or their friends to become our leaders,� said Rosdi, a practicing lawyer.

�I�m only presenting facts here,� he told the all-Malay crowd while showing his prepared notes.

Some 300 metres away at a PKR-organised rally, Anwar used Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad�s criticism of APCO to support his argument against what he called a company with strong links to the Israeli military.

�Strangely today, Dr Mahathir too disagrees with APCO but Umno Youth leaders are trying very hard to defend it,� Anwar told the Malay-majority crowd.

Dr Mahathir has been waging a campaign against Israel for its occupation of Palestinian territories and has disapproved the use of APCO by the Najib administration for public relations work.

PKR Youth chief Shamsul Iskandar Mohd Akin also repeated accusations that Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak�s government is close to the Israelis.

�For the first time in the history of our country the government hires Jews, Zionists as consultants,� said Shamsul before hundreds of party loyalists.

�They accused Anwar of being a Jewish agent but they hired a Jewish company, when we showed the contract in Parliament, they chose to be silent,� he told the crowd.

The government�s alleged link with the Israelis was first raised by Anwar in Parliament last month when he said Najib�s 1 Malaysia was a carbon copy of Ehud Barak�s One Israel, claiming APCO was behind both campaigns.

But APCO has denied the allegations and Anwar has been referred to the powerful rights and privileges committee in parliament for making the accusations.

�Let us save our country from leaders who are conspiring with Zionists,� said Shamsul.

BN is already facing the risk of losing Malay votes after Najib announced that Petronas has stopped supplying gasoline to Iran ahead of further global sanctions.

The prime minister, however, denied the reports saying that the transaction was a one-off sale and there has been no more request.

Niibop is not wrong to suggest that this is normalised rhetoric.

Note that Malaysia's proud non-recognition of Israel has not stopped it from building a healthy trade relationship (particularly in electronics - discreetly proxied through Thailand, the most well-known of which being Intel finishing chips fabbed in Kiryat Gat in the final assembly plant in Penang), nor has Malaysia positioning itself as an anti-Western, anti-IMF leader stopped it from playing host to the US Seventh Fleet in the Pacific.

* Boutros-Ghali: "Algeria wants to fight Israel to the last Egyptian soldier... The zeal of the Algerian brothers toward the Palestinian question is in proportion to the distance that separates Algeria from Israel. The farther away... the greater the zeal."

ronya fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Oct 29, 2020

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Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

Cat Mattress posted:

I think we can all agree the idea that worshiping a caricature of Muhammad is a ludicrous idea, so these toons are not idolatry.

So they call it blasphemy instead. But blasphemy is to insult God. If insulting the prophet is insulting God, then it means that the prophet is God. And that's worshiping the prophet, which is heresy.

I know you're on probation, but I think one thing you're missing is that these types of cartoons often come off as another example of the French non-Muslim majority punching downward towards a marginalized minority. Ridiculing something that brings comfort to a group that already gets way too much poo poo is still a dick move, even if it's not technically either blasphemous or idolatrous.

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Antifa Poltergeist: Jun 3, 2004; "We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"

Its racist kabuki theather, theres a lot of people being played.no one cares as long as the money flows.
Then a true believer gets into power and welp.

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V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

honestly leery about affording religious minorities the sort of protection we afford ethnic minorities

it's not always easily disentangled, but in general an organised religion, when attacked clearly in terms of being a religion, needs to suck it up.

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V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

obviously official state groups shouldn't be doing this stufd, but vulgar mags like charlie hebdo will do what they do, and it's legitimately important that they be allowed to

# ? Oct 29, 2020 20:14

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

V. Illych L. posted:

honestly leery about affording religious minorities the sort of protection we afford ethnic minorities

it's not always easily disentangled, but in general an organised religion, when attacked clearly in terms of being a religion, needs to suck it up.

We're talking about a religion that is often racialized in the West, though. There's a reason why white supremacists often mistake Sikhs for Muslims and beat them up or kill them, for example.

# ? Oct 29, 2020 20:14

Herstory Begins Now: Aug 5, 2003; SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Cat Mattress posted:

The ban on depictions of the prophet in Islam is a ban against idolatry. Basically: the prophet was just a man and should not be worshiped as a god, because there is no God but God. Muhammad insisted that he should be seen as a normal man, that being a prophet was not the same as having a divine nature (contrarily to Christianity's view of Jesus).

I think we can all agree the idea that worshiping a caricature of Muhammad is a ludicrous idea, so these toons are not idolatry.

So they call it blasphemy instead. But blasphemy is to insult God. If insulting the prophet is insulting God, then it means that the prophet is God. And that's worshiping the prophet, which is heresy.

This whole caricature of the prophet saga started with a Danish newspaper. This led to a complete fabrication where Danish imams started using cartoons not published by the JP while pretending that they were, so as to create international outrage. Because the actual cartoons were seen as not outrageous enough to work. The same thing happened with the assassination of Samuel Paty. He was accused by someone who was not even in his class, and killed by someone else who was not even in his class.

This is a cartoon of Erdogan. Are people worshiping Erdogan now? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. But basically it's calling him a hypocrite, which makes sense.

Right at the time when Erdogan and his buddies (Imran Khan, the Muslim Brotherhood, and similar) are organizing a vast campaign of francophobia with claims about how Muslims are treated in France, they're also surprisingly silent about how Muslims are treated in, say, China. Or we could talk about how the Shia and Ahmadi are treated in Pakistan. I guess they're not real Muslims.

Oh, and stuff like that is happening, too:
https://twitter.com/YigitKarahan69/status/1321529896829620226

Let's be clear: it's not about religion, it's about politics. Let's go back to the Akkari-Laban dossier. The relevant part:

In other words: Europeans are infidels (guess what the Quran says about what Muslims should do to infidels? Yep, exactly what has happened to Samuel Paty and the three people assassinated in the Nice church), their values of democracy and human rights are actually dictatorial, the real democracy is when you have a theocratic autocracy. This is the message that the Erdogans of the world want Muslims to believe.

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What the absolute gently caress is this poo poo

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V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER