|
Sam Matthews is the living, breathing embodiment of why you can not and should not argue in good faith with the right. There is clear evidence that he failed to do his job and that his successor helped clean up his mess, then he went on national loving television, crying crocodile tears, to argue with a straight face that black is white, up is purple and down is Wednesday. He is a straight up sociopath and the poster boy for why some people can only be combatted by calling them out every time they open their mouth until they get too tired to keep pushing their bullshit. When reason doesn't work, go for pure attrition.LordVorbis posted:I honestly wish we also had a "do you think the government is doing a good job" just for my own satisfaction in cognitive dissonance. There are a lot of people who genuinely believe that you have a moral duty to vote and can only hold people to account if you cast a vote, even if your choice is complete dogshit. This is why the principle of not voting and understanding why you are not obligated to uphold any given political system is so important to instill in people if there's to be any hope of changing things. e: It's been a long couple of days, let's all enjoy a nice cat. 
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 18:30
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 23, 2024 05:28 |
|
|
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1322213828600438785?s=19 BIG dip because Keir hosed it or because we're replaying everyones favourite story of Labour infighting.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 18:32
|
|
|
Nobby Stiles has left this vale of tears.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 18:42
|
|
|
Just popping in to say: ugh
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 18:43
|
|
|
jabby posted:https://twitter.com/rachshabi/status/1322103780159225856 What did you expect Corbs to say when a journalist doorstepped him exactly? What would have been better?
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 18:44
|
|
|
Can’t have politicians go round answering questions by plainly stating the truth, good lord, what an awful precedent to set
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 18:48
|
|
|
 
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:04
|
|
|
Jel Shaker posted:this has to be a parody account surely Lol no that's real, she's a z list comedy actress and noted bully. Like the only person who was on Big Train and wasn't offered a part in any Simon Pegg films. Her husband ate potpourri in a restaurant and it made the papers.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:13
|
|
|
feedmegin posted:What did you expect Corbs to say when a journalist doorstepped him exactly? What would have been better? He wasn't doorstepped, it was a prepared statement. Honestly after everything he's been through he can say what he likes, but I agree with Shabi that it has obliterated the EHRC report and I just don't see any good for anyone coming out of blowing this row up again. It's not good for Starmer, it's not good for Corbyn, not for Labour, not for Momentum, not for the Left in general, not for anti-racism campaigners in general, just not good for anybody. Everyone comes out looking bad. So if it was me I'd have left out the sentence about "the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons". It might be true, but everyone who is going to believe that already knows.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:14
|
|
|
jabby posted:He wasn't doorstepped, it was a prepared statement. I completely agree. I don't know what he was thinking or trying to accomplish with that, and then his suspension is sad, although not unexpected. What a loving mess. (Then again, I have never rated him particularly highly on the brains front. I think McDonnell, for instance, is much cleverer. I would have really liked to see him as chancellor). it;s very depressing.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:17
|
|
|
goddamnedtwisto posted:Anyone want to know what I've been up to rather than looking at the news today? Longer than your normal work Mr Tingle
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:20
|
|
|
Thank god for that extra £350m NHS cash every week eh
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:30
|
|
|
jabby posted:He wasn't doorstepped, it was a prepared statement. If RLB was leader then yes maybe there was an argument that he should have kept quiet, just accepted his reputation was permanently ruined from the report and the press spin on it but not wanting to drag the left successor into the same stupid slur campaign. With Starmer as leader he absolutely needs to continue to press the point that this was primarily sabotage of him and the left.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:32
|
|
|
Gonzo McFee posted:Lol no that's real, she's a z list comedy actress and noted bully. Like the only person who was on Big Train and wasn't offered a part in any Simon Pegg films. Her husband ate potpourri in a restaurant and it made the papers. she's also (along with fellow garbage person rachel riley) sued a woman for re-tweeting a blog post: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/help-jane-heybroek/
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:34
|
|
|
namesake posted:If RLB was leader then yes maybe there was an argument that he should have kept quiet, just accepted his reputation was permanently ruined from the report and the press spin on it but not wanting to drag the left successor into the same stupid slur campaign. With Starmer as leader he absolutely needs to continue to press the point that this was primarily sabotage of him and the left. Eh, he personally doesn't come out of the report looking that bad. I don't think it damaged his reputation any more than the ongoing dragged-out issue had already. And I don’t see how his statement helped the party. FWIW I believe that while of course AS was weaponised it was also real. I know lots here disagree. Arguing about it just feels like banging one's head against a brick wall (on both sides). Meanwhile one of the worst governments we have had in years allows coronvirus to ravage the country while their cronies exploit it. That's the depressing element. The party has become as polarised as society generally. therattle fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Oct 30, 2020 |
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:38
|
|
|
therattle posted:Eh, he personally doesn't come out of the report looking that bad. I don't think it damaged his reputation any more than the ongoing dragged-out issue had already. Oh christ who let this gormless prick in
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:44
|
|
|
forkboy84 posted:Tyranny is 75% off right now. I've been playing through it after meaning to ever since it came out & y'know, I really enjoy it. It's an Obsidian RPG & you're one of the baddies & it's fun being a bastard sometimes. Hardspace Shipbreaker sounds fun & is 25% off but I don't buy Early Access games so can't confirm. Darkest Dungeon is under a fiver. Hardspace Shipbreaker is fun, but will likely murder your machine with the amount of physics objects it uses, especially if you cut something wrong and cause the reactor to blow.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:44
|
|
|
Gonzo McFee posted:Oh christ who let this gormless prick in I let myself in.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:46
|
|
|
Ratjaculation posted:Longer than your normal work Mr Tingle I wish I had 1% of that guy's creativity. TBH it would just be great if I didn't cringe myself inside out whenever I try to write anything even romantic, let alone sexual, because I reckon I could have a decent side-hustle doing Kindle erotica (isn't there someone here doing that already?) with my ability to knock out (fnarr) 3-5k words a day without too much effort, although I suspect even if I could get over myself the market for erotica about Joseph Bazelgette is pretty limited even on the internet.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:46
|
|
|
Catzilla posted:Hardspace Shipbreaker is fun, but will likely murder your machine with the amount of physics objects it uses, especially if you cut something wrong and cause the reactor to blow. It's a great job sim but it's starting to get a bit samey now. This is not me being bitter I never get anywhere near the leaderboard on the challenges at all. I had no problems running it on my old(ish) laptop at moderate detail level although the noise from the cooling fan did lend a bit too much realism to things.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:49
|
|
|
Isn't Hardspace still in early access? I always find when I play one of those I enjoy, I have to dip out while they continue to add stuff so I don't burn out on the game while it's still unfinished. Hades is very good if anyone is looking for a game right now, no idea if it's on sale but it's worth the price if not.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:53
|
|
|
corbyn's weird obstinancy is both one of his biggest weaknesses and also what allowed him to not have a breakdown or kill himself 12 months into the 5 year press barrage like most people would have personally i'm glad he continues to speak the truth even though its a hugely divisive and pretty stupid thing to do. but then I've left labour and just enjoy seeing him not roll over and die. what the labour right really wanted to draw a line under was "yes we agree with the telegraph and co, the corbynists were fundamentally racist and we should never do that ever again" and yes its disruptive for him to not accept that but... good. labour infighting will literally never end, one of the couple of political rules my parents taught me as a kid that still hold up is "in times of crisis and opportunity labour will descend into infighting" the starmer unity plan was to kill the left and have the left accept that without comment e: like hes a weird dude, the press spent 5 years taping a cage to his face and having rats eat it and he still comes out and says "2+2 = 4" in a press release
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:53
|
|
|
An idle thought today about the vitriol some fans have for their team's rivals, sort of the other side to this - I remember listening to a Villa fan talk for ten+ minutes about how much he hated all City fans, and thinking there was something really wrong with him, but then I used to get caught up in it when my team played the derby. It's an insight into what being a nationalist must be like.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 19:57
|
|
|
Pistol_Pete posted:I wish political parties were obliged by law to release their membership figures on a monthly basis, 'cos I'd love to see what's happened to Labour's since Starmer took over. If my CLP is representative, there were some resignations and more who just stopped paying, but this just cancelled out the bump in membership we got before the general and leadership elections. That was before the suspension though, I think we are haemorrhaging now.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 20:02
|
|
|
Pistol_Pete posted:I wish political parties were obliged by law to release their membership figures on a monthly basis, 'cos I'd love to see what's happened to Labour's since Starmer took over. Why is the membership number important?
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 20:04
|
|
|
bru posted:Why is the membership number important? I tells you how good a job people think they're doing of representing them, and it's directly related to their funding. A party with a tiny membership plus a small amount of very wealthy donors making large donations vs a party with a very large membership making lots of small donations are two very different things.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 20:07
|
|
|
namesake posted:If RLB was leader then yes maybe there was an argument that he should have kept quiet, just accepted his reputation was permanently ruined from the report and the press spin on it but not wanting to drag the left successor into the same stupid slur campaign. With Starmer as leader he absolutely needs to continue to press the point that this was primarily sabotage of him and the left. I don't think reigniting the row is going to improve his reputation. Everybody who is going to believe the complaints were politically motivated already believes that. All the arguments have been made. Plus, at the risk of this being unpopular, I still find it unedifying for anybody on the left to downplay complaints of racism no matter how exaggerated and politically motivated they are. The Labour party is institutionally racist in so many ways, we shouldn't be defending it. If Corbyn wants to rebut the vitriol levelled at him it would be far more productive to reiterate that the handling of complaints was deliberately hampered by other factions of the party, or point to the good things he did improving the processes, rather than clumsily saying there wasn't enough racism to justify this level of upset. EDIT Guardian posted:On Friday evening senior figures close to Starmer and Corbyn were engaged in informal talks in an effort to allow the former leader to return to the party. Officials from Unite the Union have been involved in the discussions, which are expected to continue over the weekend, it is understood. Guardian appears to confirm suspicions that suspending Corbyn was bad for everybody and both Corbyn and Starmer want it to go away. jabby fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Oct 30, 2020 |
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 20:15
|
|
|
bru posted:Why is the membership number important? It's not any more, the current leadership couldn't give a gently caress about membership and are happy to court funding from capital.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 20:33
|
|
|
Ugh. Of course Corbyn cares more about getting to stay in Labour than anything else. Vanity. Have to say that this would be the worst outcome: the left stay in Labour and the leader looks like a loving weak moron. Which granted, he is, but so much for being forensic if you suspend someone then unsuspend him a day later. making GBS threads hell the incompetence.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 20:35
|
|
|
Corbyn, presumably, still believes that Labour party is necessariyl the same as the Labour movement. And until the unions peel away, he's not wrong, the fate of the movement is still irrevocably tied to the party whilst the unions still support it. But the unions probably won't stop supporting it until the socialist MPs quit. Which they won't whilst the unions stay. And so forth. Electoralism is not the route any more (and indeed, in retrospect, it never was). Join your local mutual aid group. Get to know your neighbours, find out what their needs and wants are. Pick up littler in your neighbourhood, plant trees, buy christmas gifts for your local Crisis or similar's clients, etc etc etc.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 20:39
|
|
|
jabby posted:The actual cunts here are the people who still jumped at the chance to call you names months after they drove you away. It's sad, bitter and uncomradely and people need to stop doing it. I think he is a weirdo and a pervert but only because he once said he eats nutella and cottage cheese sandwiches iirc* *may have been something i dreamt
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 20:41
|
|
|
jabby posted:Guardian appears to confirm suspicions that suspending Corbyn was bad for everybody and both Corbyn and Starmer want it to go away.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 20:46
|
|
|
mrpwase posted:An idle thought today about the vitriol some fans have for their team's rivals, sort of the other side to this - I remember listening to a Villa fan talk for ten+ minutes about how much he hated all City fans, and thinking there was something really wrong with him, but then I used to get caught up in it when my team played the derby. It's an insight into what being a nationalist must be like. I was working in Acock's Green in Brum on the night of the first or second Premier League Blues vs Villa Derby in yonks way back in 2002 (?), whichever one was at Villa Park, and at half time my flat mate called me up and said "don't get the loving bus, I'll pick you up from work". We could see the police choppers over the ground as we drove back. My bus route home would have driven me to within 400m of the ground about twenty minutes after the game had finished, and I was having none of that
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 20:51
|
|
|
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-suspended-keir-starmer-labour-investigation-antisemitism-report-b1442572.htmlquote:Keir Starmer says he does not believe Jeremy Corbyn is antisemitic and has denied carrying out a 1980s-style “Militant purge” against Labour left-wingers.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 20:58
|
|
|
forkboy84 posted:Ugh. Of course Corbyn cares more about getting to stay in Labour than anything else. Vanity. This is what real opposition looks like
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 20:59
|
|
|
Exeter v Plymouth used to get pretty loving spicy when I was at uni and that was only League 2
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 21:00
|
|
|
mrpwase posted:An idle thought today about the vitriol some fans have for their team's rivals, sort of the other side to this - I remember listening to a Villa fan talk for ten+ minutes about how much he hated all City fans, and thinking there was something really wrong with him, but then I used to get caught up in it when my team played the derby. It's an insight into what being a nationalist must be like. I think that's why I'm perhaps a bit more tolerant of nationalism than many ITT - it pulls the exact same tribal levers in your head as following a sports team, and I know just how powerful that can be. Of course this also means that I'm a bit less tolerant of Scottish and Welsh nationalism than many, because I know that a lot of the arguments people deploy for that are actually just ENGERLAND bullshit with a hasty respray.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 21:00
|
|
|
Jaeluni Asjil posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-suspended-keir-starmer-labour-investigation-antisemitism-report-b1442572.html Sounds like Keith is interfering with what's meant to be an independent disciplinary procedure both to suspend & maybe to unsuspend Corbyn.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 21:00
|
|
|
Jaeluni Asjil posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-suspended-keir-starmer-labour-investigation-antisemitism-report-b1442572.html It is really stunning he said that out loud, given the press have gone to great lengths to ensure that the public remain uninformed of the fact that the leader of the Labour party doesn't actually control the membership disciplinary process. I can of course expect this obvious contradiction to never be pointed out by any journalist.
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 21:05
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 23, 2024 05:28 |
|
|
Julio Cruz posted:Exeter v Plymouth used to get pretty loving spicy when I was at uni and that was only League 2 The only non-league game I ever saw police at the football was Slough vs Woking in 1996 in the Conference. It was also the only game of the season that Slough would segregate the crowds, mainly because Woking. And funnily enough, the segregation wasn't reciprocated in the return fixture. Of course, the police presence for the following season's first round cup tie against Cardiff was considerably higher, mainly because of what happened to Slough after Millwall lost there in the first round in 1983
|
|
#
?
Oct 30, 2020 21:14
|
|