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bunnyofdoom posted:Jesus that screen cap looks like a last known photo on the news Paul Reiser, no!
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/sheraz...sh=50fe04c2518f Fisher went into detail on why he felt the need to retract the statement, citing how fabricated talking points were distributed to the cast of heaping praise on Whedon as Snyder’s replacement. “For one thing, the cast and crew were told that Zack had handpicked Joss to finish the film for him. I didn’t find out until after the reshoots that that was a complete lie.” Fisher began. “I heard whispers and rumblings of things being off behind the scenes, but nothing concrete until much later. They had us go out to San Diego Comic-Con in 2017 and say Zack picked Joss and that Joss was a great guy. I still have the email with those talking points.” After Zack Snyder left Justice League’s production in early 2017 following a family tragedy, Warner Bros. Pictures brought in Joss Whedon to conduct reshoots that heavily altered the original film. The cast of the film was taken aback by the things that happened in Snyder’s absence. Yet, the cast was not aware of how bad things were about to get. “You’ve got to understand, Zack stepped away to be with his family, and we wanted to give him space to do that,” Fisher said. “He and I didn’t speak for about a year after he left.” Fisher went on to explain how the abusive and unprofessional atmosphere was cultivated behind closed doors even before Snyder departed the project. “Prior to Justice League’s reshoot process, blatantly racist conversations were had and entertained—on multiple occasions—by former and current top level executives at Warner Bros. Pictures,” Fisher stated. “Decision-makers that participated in those racist conversations were Geoff Johns, Jon Berg, and current Warner Bros. Pictures Group chairman Toby Emmerich.” Emmerich, Berg, and Johns did not immediately respond for comment. “I realized that the notes I ended up getting from Johns during reshoots were just a coded version of the racist things he was saying with behind closed doors with the other execs,” Fisher alleged. “A lot of what these guys were doing was in an effort to prevent themselves from being fired during AT&T’s merger with Time Warner,” Fisher pointed out to Forbes. “I plan getting much more specific about each of these guys after the investigation is over—this interview is just the abridged version,” Fisher further clarified. While Fisher was already aware of the alleged whitewashing, he didn't become aware of these racist conversations until after he started speaking out. “These conversations were reported to me by people in the room. And I wasn’t made aware until AFTER I had already spoken out about Joss Whedon.”
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Rewatched Iron Man 2 today as part of a larger plan to rewatch the MCU that stalled out a while back.
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Thor is top-tier poo poo that constantly gets short shrift.
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IM 2 certainly has some interesting character beats for Tony. "I have privatized world peace" was certainly a thing, but the more subtle line is when he's interrogating Vanko and he says something like "You could have sold this tech to China, North Korea, Iran, or the black market", implying that for Tony, North Korea and Iran were not part of the black market. I still feel the movie would have been stronger if they'd made Stark Sr an rear end in a top hat that stole ideas from Vankos father. It's rumored this was the original pitch that later got changed because they didn't want one to paint one of the main characters in that Agent Peggy spin off as a bad guy Also interesting that IM 2 continues the Drone warfare analogy started in 1, and that keeps going all the way up to Spider-man Phylodox posted:I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Thor is top-tier poo poo that constantly gets short shrift. I don't remember much of Thor 1 aside from how annoying that two broke girls girl was and Hopkins alternating between sleepwalking and chewing the scenery. i remember less from thor 2.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Howard actually being in the wrong would line up well with Odin in Ragnarok and T'Challa in Black Panther. Honestly "My dad is actually a pretty big rear end in a top hat" also works for Ego and Thanos and probably other people I'm remembering. "Howard Stark was a fuckup and passed his fuckups onto Tony who has to accept that and move beyond them to become a more functional human being" is such a better plot point than "He left a MAGIC CURE for PLOTANIUM because he was just that awesome!!"
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Arist posted:I honestly remembered the MCU setup stuff with Nick Fury taking up way more of this movie, he doesn’t even show up until an hour in and doesn’t stick around long. Given how the MCU has progressed it stuck out at the time but is fairly routine these days. The franchise building in Guardians is even worse but we were used to it, plus the surrounding movie was better. ImpAtom posted:Honestly "My dad is actually a pretty big rear end in a top hat" also works for Ego and Thanos and probably other people I'm remembering.
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McCloud posted:I still feel the movie would have been stronger if they'd made Stark Sr an rear end in a top hat that stole ideas from Vankos father. It's rumored this was the original pitch that later got changed because they didn't want one to paint one of the main characters in that Agent Peggy spin off as a bad guy I tend to doubt that because Agent Carter didn't even go into development for another three years after IM2, and Howard was never a main character in the show. However, I would fully believe that they wanted to soften him for his appearance in Captain America, or for some other nebulous future project they hadn't quite figured out. That does make me wonder though, is Howard Stark the most recast character in the MCU? Three different actors have played him.
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howe_sam posted:That does make me wonder though, is Howard Stark the most recast character in the MCU? Three different actors have played him. Would you count the fact that Lou Ferrigno was the voice of the Hulk up until Age of Ultron and then they just added a filter to Ruffalo? Because then that makes 3 actors for Hulk.
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howe_sam posted:I tend to doubt that because Agent Carter didn't even go into development for another three years after IM2, and Howard was never a main character in the show. However, I would fully believe that they wanted to soften him for his appearance in Captain America, or for some other nebulous future project they hadn't quite figured out. I thought it was only two?
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 No one remember the last one from Iron Man 1 of course, and Dominic Cooper played a younger version of the character than Sterling Cooper, so it makes sense they used different actor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93mHMW7YRAs  Assepoester fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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McCloud posted:I still feel the movie would have been stronger if they'd made Stark Sr an rear end in a top hat that stole ideas from Vankos father. It's rumored this was the original pitch that later got changed because they didn't want one to paint one of the main characters in that Agent Peggy spin off as a bad guy
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Yeah it makes much more thematic sense to have Howard Doctor Spaceman posted:Howard actually being in the wrong would line up well with Odin in Ragnarok and T'Challa in Black Panther. Didn't the hulk have father issues as well?
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In the comics and the Ang Lee movie yes, but I don't think Bruce's relationship with his father has ever come up in the MCU.
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Casting Slattery and not making him portray an rear end in a top hat is the textbook definition of wasted opportunity.
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I find that Iron Man 2 has some cool individual moments, but they're not stitched together well. I have always said Age of Ultron improves to me on rewatch, but IM2 is actually kinda worse. Maybe it's just Elon Musk hitting me in the face WAY harder in 2020 than it did back the. Also Black Panther's father is T'Chakka.
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howe_sam posted:In the comics and the Ang Lee movie yes, but I don't think Bruce's relationship with his father has ever come up in the MCU. Well, I consider Ang Lee's Hulk to be the non-binding quasi-prequel to the entire MCU since it ends with him fleeing to South America at the end which is where Incredible Hulk picks up 
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Happy Hippo posted:Well, I consider Ang Lee's Hulk to be the non-binding quasi-prequel to the entire MCU since it ends with him fleeing to South America at the end which is where Incredible Hulk picks up When Incredible Hulk began production it was still a sequel to Hulk and not yet part of the MCU.
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Rhyno posted:When Incredible Hulk began production it was still a sequel to Hulk and not yet part of the MCU. You can't stop me from adhering to my own personal head-canon, guy!
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Happy Hippo posted:You can't stop me from adhering to my own personal head-canon, guy! THIS ALLOWS IT TO COEXIST
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Rhyno posted:THIS ALLOWS IT TO COEXIST I didn't mean to snap, sorry. It's just that continuity must be clear and coherent or else all of those movies are now all retroactively the worst things ever instead of the mediocre-to-mostly-pretty good movies I had mistaken them for for these past twelve years, you get it, you're a comics guy right?
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I mean, yeah. But head cannon trumps all right?
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Personally after watching Ang Lee's Hulk, I am very glad that MCU Hulk ditched the weird daddy issues stuff
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FlamingLiberal posted:Personally after watching Ang Lee's Hulk, I am very glad that MCU Hulk ditched the weird daddy issues stuff They need to do an Immortal Hulk movie and bring back Nolte, IMHO.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Personally after watching Ang Lee's Hulk, I am very glad that MCU Hulk ditched the weird daddy issues stuff I'm not like a Hulk expert but I didn't even know comics Hulk had daddy issues. So to me it was a very obscure plot point to use.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I'm not like a Hulk expert but I didn't even know comics Hulk had daddy issues. So to me it was a very obscure plot point to use. It came up pretty heavily in the David run, I believe, but I don't think it was a super ongoing thing like, say, Spidey's guilt over Uncle Ben.
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I think it first came up on Bill Mantlo's run as part of a kind of murky and imperfectly documented bit of potential swiping from Barry Windsor Smith, then it became a very prominent part of the middle section of PAD's run. It also comes up very, very frequently in Immortal Hulk. I think that Paul Jenkins also dealt with it quite a bit but I might be misremembering.
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McCloud posted:I still feel the movie would have been stronger if they'd made Stark Sr an rear end in a top hat that stole ideas from Vankos father. It's rumored this was the original pitch that later got changed because they didn't want one to paint one of the main characters in that Agent Peggy spin off as a bad guy I get the feeling that Age of Ultron had similar story meddling, namely that Whedon wanted to make Stark/Banner unambiguously responsible for the creation of Ultron in the same way that Pym is in the comics, but the final script severely muddies things with the implication that the Ultron AI also came from HYDRA's experiments and/or from the Mind Gem itself.
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I feel like the ultimate takeaway is that the "mind gem" is Vision and Ultron is definitely more Stark/Banner. Like they make a point to constantly reference Ultron being like Stark. There is that fight Tony and Bruce have where Tony says they weren't near achieving their goal and Bruce is like "Apparently we were" but I kind of just take that as Tony refusing responsibility and Vision's creation and whole "I'm not Ultron, I'm not Jarvis, I'm something else..." thing is the difference. Ultron is Tony's creation that the mind gem jump started, and Vision is the mind gem that Tony tossed in the oven.
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RIP Sean Connery, who was in a comic book movie
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Gnome de plume posted:RIP Sean Connery, who was in a comic book movie  A career ending comic book movie
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Gnome de plume posted:RIP Sean Connery, who was in a comic book movie I still enjoy that movie even with how bad it was.
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Digital Jedi posted:I still enjoy that movie even with how bad it was. Last time I visited my parents in early March, my dad gave me a stack of DVDs to sell for him, including League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I guess I own it for all time now.
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Happy Hippo posted:
 "the gently caress is this shite?"So he got LoXG and was like "the gently caress is... wait, no, I'll do it!" and it actually was completely poo poo.
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As bad as LoXG is it wasn't until this moment that I found out that its literally so bad that it made Sean Connery retire from films in disgust.
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He did one movie after.
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McCloud posted:Yeah it makes much more thematic sense to have Howard
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