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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:i work pretty closely with parks, both personally and professionally, and I have to say that in my experiences the general staff/management are all fantastic people who do great work with the resources available to them. That said the senior management seems to be a prime case of people who have zero clue what, why, or how things happen below them in the org chart and consistently give contradictory orders to the staff like 'increase the summer program participation and revenue while we cut your budget and make it near impossible to even deliver programs let alone have them flourish' Oh my God it’s like you’ve been listening to our meetings. Thank you so much for this, I really feel seen and validated. I keep yelling that our swim lessons should be free but everyone says I’m crazy because they’re our biggest money maker, like we’re here to make money. There’s water everywhere and if you don’t know how to swim your chances of death go up an unacceptable amount; it shouldn’t be a privilege for the rich.
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Crumbskull posted:As someone who works closelt with Dept. Of Commerce, Secretary if States office, Econonic Development agenices like SBA etc: thats literally every arm of state government lol. That is extremely depressing, thanks.
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Oct 30, 2020 21:08
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My dad used to be an ops manager on the port of Seattle and would meet with the port commissioners, all the people that run for that position are just trying to get their name in politics so they can run for something better. The port commissioner job is extremely easy.
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Oct 30, 2020 21:22
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This whole story is terrible, but I had to do a triple take when I saw the way Oregonian formatted it on their website. The three stories that look like sub-headlines are actually unrelated other stories.
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Oct 30, 2020 21:29
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Its supremely easy AND mostly involves inking leasing contracts and stuff which is a great way to give and earn favors.
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Oct 30, 2020 21:30
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Crumbskull posted:I think about this all the time because I literally live in the Port of Olympia and the people that do it now are morons. It’s all business types that are looking to springboard it to other positions not people who actually have any real knowledge.
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Oct 30, 2020 23:00
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seiferguy posted:My dad used to be an ops manager on the port of Seattle and would meet with the port commissioners, all the people that run for that position are just trying to get their name in politics so they can run for something better. The port commissioner job is extremely easy. Yeah pretty sure I’d make them poo poo their pants. Somebody with relevant knowledge, education who knows the all waterfronts from Bellingham out to Aberdeen and would want to make serious changes would not be what they were used to.
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Oct 30, 2020 23:10
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Port of Seattle commissioners aren't too bad now. Labor unions are really interested in organizing workers at the airport and drivers taking trucks in and out of the port, and the commission oversees all that, so labor spends a decent amount of money in the port races here and has taken out all the really bad guys from it. Not that they're perfect but it's not like they were 10 years ago. I think most other port commissions don't get the same attention and have a lot more lame business guys on them.
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Oct 30, 2020 23:19
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Yeah pretty sure I’d make them poo poo their pants. Somebody with relevant knowledge, education who knows the all waterfronts from Bellingham out to Aberdeen and would want to make serious changes would not be what they were used to. I’m pretty sure they keep the salary low to keep their chances of dealing with somebody who knows stuff to a minimum.
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tk posted:I’m pretty sure they keep the salary low to keep their chances of dealing with somebody who knows stuff to a minimum. I’m a idealistic freak who accepted a low salary for almost fifteen years because what I was doing (SOLAS stuff) benefited the world in a way I found meaningful. How low is low? Just looked it up. gently caress me that’s nonviable 
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Yeah there was a todo about that I think some time back when Gregoire got the gig.
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Oct 30, 2020 23:55
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Well the vigil for Kevin Peterson in Vancouver was hit by Patriot Prayer tonight. Literally. In trucks. https://twitter.com/LCRWnews/status/1322376659865989120 Meanwhile the cops are mass arresting protesters elsewhere and are nowhere to be seen when the chuds start hitting mourners with cars and bear macing the crowd.
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Oct 31, 2020 07:20
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The Oldest Man posted:Well the vigil for Kevin Peterson in Vancouver was hit by Patriot Prayer tonight. Literally. In trucks. And Andy Ngo is tweeting up a storm about it. I really want him to die.
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Oct 31, 2020 16:13
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Nucleic Acids posted:And Andy Ngo is tweeting up a storm about it. I really want him to die. Andy Ngo is really one of the most vile people I can think of. I had to break off a friendship with a guy I went to elementary school with because he kept sending me Andy Ngo poo poo and calling me a liar despite the fact that I’m a drat Portland resident who on occasion has been physically there why the gently caress are you sending me this terrible poo poo acting like it’s more reliable than what I’m telling you. This Kevin Peterson poo poo is so depressing and heartbreaking. The cops already lying their asses off and the fact that he was on the phone with his girlfriend when they shot him and then they just hung up on her. Feel terrible for her she had to experience that moment.
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The Oldest Man posted:Well the vigil for Kevin Peterson in Vancouver was hit by Patriot Prayer tonight. Literally. In trucks. Tangent - It's helpful to remember this kind of poo poo when people are handwringing over PP affiliated individuals experiencing forms of retribution outside the law. You don't have to participate, but truly the absolute least you can do is shut the gently caress up about it. They 100% deserve whatever makes its way back to them.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:35
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jkyuusai posted:Tangent - It's helpful to remember this kind of poo poo when people are handwringing over PP affiliated individuals experiencing forms of retribution outside the law. You don't have to participate, but truly the absolute least you can do is shut the gently caress up about it. They 100% deserve whatever makes its way back to them. Uh... political violence is bad even if it's against bad people. Contributing to a climate where extrajudicial violence is considered normal is extremely dangerous and erodes civil society. You might think it's gonna be Antifa super soldiers hunting Nazis but the reality is far more grim and it ends in unrelated parties being murdered daily in generational cycles of guerrilla violence. Also right wingers will have FAR more ability and support to engage in this sort of violence so it's not really a can of worms you want to open.
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therobit posted:Uh... political violence is bad even if it's against bad people. Contributing to a climate where extrajudicial violence is considered normal is extremely dangerous and erodes civil society. You might think it's gonna be Antifa super soldiers hunting Nazis but the reality is far more grim and it ends in unrelated parties being murdered daily in generational cycles of guerrilla violence. Also right wingers will have FAR more ability and support to engage in this sort of violence so it's not really a can of worms you want to open. I have to ask - what makes you think the can of worms is closed?
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Corbeau posted:I have to ask - what makes you think the can of worms is closed? Because most people still realize that this type of reciprocal violence is abhorrent and a bad idea. If you start convincing people that vigilante violence is cool and good very bad things will happen.
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Oct 31, 2020 19:09
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therobit posted:Uh... political violence is bad even if it's against bad people. Contributing to a climate where extrajudicial violence is considered normal is extremely dangerous and erodes civil society. You might think it's gonna be Antifa super soldiers hunting Nazis but the reality is far more grim and it ends in unrelated parties being murdered daily in generational cycles of guerrilla violence. Also right wingers will have FAR more ability and support to engage in this sort of violence so it's not really a can of worms you want to open. The bad kind of political violence is already happening in the streets, extrajudicial murders are why we are out here. Metaphors are nice and all but you aren't acknowledging the reality on the ground.
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Oct 31, 2020 19:15
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CHUDs tried to run a Biden campaign bus off the road in Texas. Bad things have been here for a while. There is a possibility they go outright widespread violent after the election instead of the targeted at protestors violent.
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Oct 31, 2020 19:16
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Like even the NYTs is saying that.
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therobit posted:Uh... political violence is bad even if it's against bad people. Contributing to a climate where extrajudicial violence is considered normal is extremely dangerous and erodes civil society. You might think it's gonna be Antifa super soldiers hunting Nazis but the reality is far more grim and it ends in unrelated parties being murdered daily in generational cycles of guerrilla violence. Also right wingers will have FAR more ability and support to engage in this sort of violence so it's not really a can of worms you want to open. The can's open and we're talking about people defending themselves from being murdered right now. "Political violence is bad" is some big-brain bothsidesism when applied to people being threatened, injured, or killed by far right death squad wannabes. This isn't going to go away because you're staring at a wall and humming loudly. Bar Ran Dun posted:There is a possibility they go outright widespread violent after the election instead of the targeted at protestors violent. They just attacked mourners at a vigil for a dead man. The Oldest Man fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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Oct 31, 2020 19:19
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therobit posted:Uh... political violence is bad even if it's against bad people. Contributing to a climate where extrajudicial violence is considered normal is extremely dangerous and erodes civil society. You might think it's gonna be Antifa super soldiers hunting Nazis but the reality is far more grim and it ends in unrelated parties being murdered daily in generational cycles of guerrilla violence. Also right wingers will have FAR more ability and support to engage in this sort of violence so it's not really a can of worms you want to open. Judicial violence is already being committed by far right wingers. They simply wear a badge. Calling it "guerilla" or "vigilante" violence doesnt mean that it was not a form of self defense against a system that is already hurting people. Your imaginary civil society is only being eroded because you are afraid you might actually be affected.
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Oct 31, 2020 19:25
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lol, you remember how vietnam totally reconciled populist nationalism with foreign imperial exploitation and the bootlickers who profited from it and how that reconciliation came about through an appeal to decorum and a balance and exchange of interests and not total war?
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Oct 31, 2020 19:29
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The Oldest Man posted:The can's open and we're talking about people defending themselves from being murdered right now. "Political violence is bad" is some big-brain bothsidesism when applied to people being threatened, injured, or killed by far right death squad wannabes. This isn't going to go away because you're staring at a wall and humming loudly. Self defense is fine. Seeking out a fight isn't. Yes, I expect good people to hold themselves to a higher standard than the subhuman slime that makes up groups like Patriot Prayer. And I don't think you have any idea what it really looks like when this type of violence becomes normal. It's not Columbia or Northern Ireland out there. Participating in political violence legitimizes it in the eyes of the public and lowers the bar to what qualifies as a good reason to kill someone.
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Oct 31, 2020 19:40
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The Oldest Man posted:They just attacked mourners at a vigil for a dead man. gently caress. They’re trying to start a civil war. I don’t think it’s going to work. But it’s still going to be very bad and it’s a long time until January.
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Oct 31, 2020 19:43
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Bar Ran Dun posted:CHUDs tried to run a Biden campaign bus off the road in Texas. Bad things have been here for a while. There is a possibility they go outright widespread violent after the election instead of the targeted at protestors violent. If antifa ran a Trump bus off the road we would be cheering. Game gotta respect game.
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therobit posted:It's not Columbia or Northern Ireland out there.  I’d call openly drilling fascists pretty bad.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:gently caress. It's an even longer time until January 2025. Assuming we even bother to hold elections in 2024.
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Oct 31, 2020 20:02
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therobit posted:Self defense is fine. Seeking out a fight isn't. Fight's here. These groups have declared openly that they will use violence to purge the country of undesirables, whether that's at the hands of lawful authorities that they control (when convenient) or at the hands of unlawful paramilitaries when lawful authority will not go far enough. Anything done to stop them is self defense. Pretending otherwise is turning a blind eye to an incipient fascist pogrom.
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The Oldest Man posted:Fight's here. These groups have declared openly that they will use violence to purge the country of undesirables, whether that's at the hands of lawful authorities that they control (when convenient) or at the hands of unlawful paramilitaries when lawful authority will not go far enough. Anything done to stop them is self defense. Pretending otherwise is turning a blind eye to an incipient fascist pogrom. This mentality is exactly the type of thinking that could plunge us into a civil war. "Anything we do to stop them is legitimate" is also what those morons are saying right now, and that's how you get cycles of reciprocal violence that last for generations. Civil war is a terrible idea so long as political options still exist.
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therobit posted:This mentality is exactly the type of thinking that could plunge us into a civil war. "Anything we do to stop them is legitimate" is also what those morons are saying right now, and that's how you get cycles of reciprocal violence that last for generations. Civil war is a terrible idea so long as political options still exist. Yes, much better to just have fully unidirectional violence that leaves you personally untouched since you're not on the kill list.
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https://twitter.com/RoseCityAntifa/status/1322478013980663808?s=20 Now, wouldn't want to suggest anyone START a growing wave of political violence. That would be silly.
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therobit posted:This mentality is exactly the type of thinking that could plunge us into a civil war. "Anything we do to stop them is legitimate" is also what those morons are saying right now, and that's how you get cycles of reciprocal violence that last for generations. Civil war is a terrible idea so long as political options still exist. It's important to remember that no matter what they do, we never, ever do anything that violates decorum. Sure, they may kill people, commit war crimes, whatever, but the most vital thing is that we never be indecorous. Eventually, our total passivity will force them to give up. It's worked so far!
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Right-wing domestic terrorists have clearly shown they have zero problem with violence, but I think we’re verging on some mind-boggling scenarios in which they have the collective foresight and organizational skills to coordinate a national civil war type scenario. Yes, I agree, there will probably be sporadic right-wing incidents of violence if Trump loses on Tuesday. That said, I think folks are buying more into their bark than their bite if they believe there’s going to be a civil war type of scenario. Remember the guy hiding under the tarp at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge? As long as Trump loses, that’s how this poo poo will end for most of those fuckers. Cowering with their lube drums and dildos and guns hiding under loving tarps.
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therobit quoted my post but it seems like they didn't read itjkyuusai posted:You don't have to participate, but truly the absolute least you can do is shut the gently caress up about it.
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generic one posted:Right-wing domestic terrorists have clearly shown they have zero problem with violence, but I think we’re verging on some mind-boggling scenarios in which they have the collective foresight and organizational skills to coordinate a national civil war type scenario.
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