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Somfin posted:It reminds me of a thing on social media saying that we should put in a UBI and pay for it with an increase to the sales tax, which they backed up saying that it would be best way to pay for it for almost everybody, compared to other approaches that only target the wealthy! See, here's the math! UBI without a progressive income tax/wealth tax only creates more concentration of wealth at the top
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Skwirl posted:UBI without a progressive income tax/wealth tax only creates more concentration of wealth at the top I told them the same thing and they accused me of being paid to criticise them.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:It’s a drop in the bucket even if all 230k+ were diehard chuds. More zoomers have grown to voting age since 2016 than all americans have died period, of all causes, since then, and about 30% of them who could voted in 2018. This is still not good news for the GOP. While I admit that younger voters tend to vote left and that there has been a trend of increasing progressiveness in subsequent generations generally speaking, young people ageing up into voting age isn't the100% left-leaning panacea that a lot of people seem to suggest that it is. There are plenty of young racists, young people who have been trained by their fuckwit parents to fear black people, incels, chudlings and fundies amongst their ranks, and 'but surely once the next generation is in charge bigotry will be finally over' sadly isn't going to happen, because it didn't happen the last few generations either. Consider what the 60's flower children generation has turned into..
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Yeah when you look at any picture or video footage of Woodstock or Haight-Ashbury you see very clearly who the hippy movement and the Summer of Love was actually for. There is almost zero inclusion.
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Hmm, whenever I've seen this topic come up and wondered how the hippies managed to turn into racist boomers, the usual response has been "well the hippies were actually a tiny minority of the population, most people in that age cohort were just as authoritarian and regressive as they became later in life" I don't know what to think, help
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And their version of sex positivity was "Everyone should be up for sex with anyone of the opposite gender at any time. Anyone who isn't is a prude or has hang-ups about sex, which need to be cured by having sex."
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Data Graham posted:Hmm, whenever I've seen this topic come up and wondered how the hippies managed to turn into racist boomers, the usual response has been "well the hippies were actually a tiny minority of the population, most people in that age cohort were just as authoritarian and regressive as they became later in life" It is actually both are true.
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Nov 1, 2020 23:37
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Hippies grew up to own houses. Younger people will never own anything so will remain forever angry at a system they're locked out of.
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Pththya-lyi posted:And their version of sex positivity was "Everyone should be up for sex with anyone of the opposite gender at any time. Anyone who isn't is a prude or has hang-ups about sex, which need to be cured by having sex." All based on a new technology that put a little control in the hands of women to believe someone when they said "I promise you won't get knocked up baby"
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Inceltown posted:Hippies grew up to own houses. Younger people will never own anything so will remain forever angry at a system they're locked out of. Not true, you can by a container for less than 10k
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Nov 1, 2020 23:44
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Libertarian rear end ideology and the wealth to fund it/oppress minority interests. People are only getting poorer and the globalization of the world has changed a lot of information flow and ethnic demographic shifts. Not saying it's a panacea for bigotry, far from it, but the world is not as it was and I think folding your arms and declaring the inevitable slide to conservatism is a bit defeatist, to understate things.
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The generation that remembered the new deal and WW2 (In the US) was generally further left than any until millenials, up until they died. “Old people become conservative” is false. “All young people vote left” is also false. But millenials and zoomers trending left is not going to disappear, and boomers and older gen x trending right was always a thing. Old hippies didn’t invent the Vietnam “stabbed in the back by liberals the media” myth. That gets obviously more complicated looking at social issues like racism, where obviously white people born in 1920 are probably just equally as racist as their kids rather than less so, but again, old antiracist whites didn’t get more racist after the sixties. They were a minority of whites in the sixties. As people age they tend to solidify their beliefs, not change opinions wildly.
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Also the US government flat out murdered a lot of the genuine leftist thinkers and leaders in the 60s and 70s.
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OP not the idiot: https://twitter.com/gnrosenberg/status/1323037344811962376
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More from that crazy family friend. They literally believe every conspiracy, no matter how much they cancel each other out. They were even posting about Bigfoot, for god's sake.
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My god, this Hunter is missing some hair from his face! This is a clone for sure!
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Wait til they see the shoddy job they did of whatever it is that replaced Trump.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:It’s a drop in the bucket even if all 230k+ were diehard chuds. More zoomers have grown to voting age since 2016 than all americans have died period, of all causes, since then, and about 30% of them who could voted in 2018. This is still not good news for the GOP. Shame the dems told the zoomers to gently caress off.
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Byzantine posted:Shame the dems told the zoomers to gently caress off. Listen, I’m a terminally online socialist too but that’s not at all what most zoomers feel like has happened Sources: have zoomer family, started undergrad late as hell and take my classes with the little scamps
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Somfin posted:I told them the same thing and they accused me of being paid to criticise them. isn't being paid to shitpost basically the same thing as ubi anyways
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turd in my singlet posted:isn't being paid to shitpost basically the same thing as ubi anyways From each according to his anus, to each according to his regdate
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If this is what it takes to kill daylight savings, I'll accept it.
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EL BROMANCE posted:Wait til they see the shoddy job they did of whatever it is that replaced Trump. They accidentally dropped some velveeta in the vat and didn't tell anyone
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Cleretic posted:If this is what it takes to kill daylight savings, I'll accept it. I'm not clear if he means that the time change is throwing everyone off (and out of the mood), or that being on daylight saving time all summer is robbing us of evening darkness in which to do the bow-chicka and/or wow-wow (because of course such things can't be done in the light of day). If it's the latter, then he is not going to like the various proposals to just stay on summer time year-round.
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Powered Descent posted:I'm not clear if he means that the time change is throwing everyone off (and out of the mood), or that being on daylight saving time all summer is robbing us of evening darkness in which to do the bow-chicka and/or wow-wow (because of course such things can't be done in the light of day). If it's the latter, then he is not going to like the various proposals to just stay on summer time year-round. jesus loving christ we should not stay on summer time year round
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What about the poor, forgotten daylight savings fetishists
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Powered Descent posted:I'm not clear if he means that the time change is throwing everyone off (and out of the mood), or that being on daylight saving time all summer is robbing us of evening darkness in which to do the bow-chicka and/or wow-wow (because of course such things can't be done in the light of day). If it's the latter, then he is not going to like the various proposals to just stay on summer time year-round. Well he's a white nationalist complaining about low birth rates so I'm just relieved he's not blaming the jews.
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Mx. posted:What about the poor, forgotten daylight savings fetishists 
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Powered Descent posted:I'm not clear if he means that the time change is throwing everyone off (and out of the mood), or that being on daylight saving time all summer is robbing us of evening darkness in which to do the bow-chicka and/or wow-wow (because of course such things can't be done in the light of day). I'm going with this theory https://twitter.com/Lubchansky/status/1323067683852767235
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Breetai posted:While I admit that younger voters tend to vote left and that there has been a trend of increasing progressiveness in subsequent generations generally speaking, young people ageing up into voting age isn't the100% left-leaning panacea that a lot of people seem to suggest that it is. There are plenty of young racists, young people who have been trained by their fuckwit parents to fear black people, incels, chudlings and fundies amongst their ranks, and 'but surely once the next generation is in charge bigotry will be finally over' sadly isn't going to happen, because it didn't happen the last few generations either. Consider what the 60's flower children generation has turned into.. It's something I see every election "the youth will save us" and for various reasons it never does. The tik tok teens in between spamming kpop gifs at politicians also thought be a good idea to play dress up holocaust survivor, how interested in politics they actually outside of dunks for fun is hard to gauge. Also of note Putin, Modi and Bolsonaro get a huge bulk of the support form young people. So the idea that each generation gets more left is a existing trend....until its not. Mega Comrade has a new favorite as of 10:45 on Nov 2, 2020 |
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Mega Comrade posted:It's something I see every election "the youth will save us" and for various reasons it never does. The tik tok teens in between spamming kpop gifs at politicians also thought be a good idea to play dress up holocaust survivor, how interested in politics they actually outside of dunks for fun is hard to gauge. No one's saying that every new generation is necessarily more leftwards, or that it's necessarily a global phenomenon, but I generally see more young people who won't accept racism and other bigotry than I see it from any other age cohort, and I see a shitload of young people who're willing to put their lives and welfare on the line and attend protests in public against these things, not to mention being willing to call out formerly invincible celebrities on being some form of rear end in a top hat or abuser and disowning them. Going "all the kids are good for is spamming tik tok gifs!!!!!" also has some powerful goddamn boomer energy. I know it's anecdotal, but the alternative to believing that the kids are mostly alright is to go sit in the dark and jerk off to how doomed we all are, and gently caress that. gently caress giving up.
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Yeah, we can't depend on the kids to save us, it's an unfair burden and an abdication of responsibility, but assuming they're as terrible as previous generations is also really unfair to them.
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Being optimistic is fine. Just don't assume they will always be on your side, it's the assumption the left/centrists in India and Brazil made to their detriment. The right is actively trying to recruit the young, if people just lazily assume they will stay left and don't have to do anything about it they might be in for a shock.
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It’s hard to feel like the zoomers will save us and are immune to bigotry when one of them drove across state lines to murder people in the name of the police earlier this year. They are susceptible to methods of radicalization that we didn’t have even 10 years ago.
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Henchman of Santa posted:It’s hard to feel like the zoomers will save us and are immune to bigotry when one of them drove across state lines to murder people in the name of the police earlier this year. They are susceptible to methods of radicalization that we didn’t have even 10 years ago. Sure, but by the same token material conditions aren't improving for most of them either.
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