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Bilirubin posted:wait what? how? The relentless advance of time.
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So I am watching Devil's Due, which is one of those TNG episodes that feels like rewritten TOS script, down to a scene where the hot alien devil lady shows up in Picard's room and the only thing I can think during that sequence is how Kirk would already be tapping that rear end.
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Nov 1, 2020 04:52
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side_burned posted:So I am watching Devil's Due, which is one of those TNG episodes that feels like rewritten TOS script, down to a scene where the hot alien devil lady shows up in Picard's room and the only thing I can think during that sequence is how Kirk would already be tapping that rear end. That’s because it’s exactly that. Well, a Phase II script with the TNG cast find-and-replaced in.
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Nov 1, 2020 05:02
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That's a fun episode. Probably better that it was for TNG and not Phase 2 since the transformation effect would probably not look too great if it had been done in the 70s as planned.
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Nov 1, 2020 05:13
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"To save an alien world Captain Picard must make love to the devil herself. Next time on Staaaaar Trek: The Next Generation."
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Nov 1, 2020 05:13
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Okay, Profit and Lace was bad. I knew that going in, and it delivered. But nobody told me that the very next episode (Time's Orphan) might be even stupider.
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Nov 1, 2020 05:17
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I feel like Time's Orphan is just generally forgotten but it's an odd episode.
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Nov 1, 2020 05:18
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Time makes orphans of us all
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Nov 1, 2020 05:20
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8one6 posted:"To save an alien world Captain Picard must make love to the devil herself. Next time on Staaaaar Trek: The Next Generation." I love that loving Dragon Ball Z style promo voiceover guy they had for TNG. "CAN CAPTAIN PICARD PUNCH A HOLE IN THE SUN TO SAVE GEORDI?! FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON STAAAAAAAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION!"
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Nov 1, 2020 05:21
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Lester Shy posted:Okay, Profit and Lace was bad. I knew that going in, and it delivered. But nobody told me that the very next episode (Time's Orphan) might be even stupider. Time's Orphan is bad but since it's right after Profit and Lace it gets overlooked. Though, you've now hit the last two truly bad episodes of DS9, congratulations. Some of the stuff in 7 isn't great but it never gets that lovely again.
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Nov 1, 2020 05:30
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I like Time's Orphan fine. It's not a standout episode but I don't think it's terrible. I like all the "O'Brien Must Suffer" episodes, and he gets to say "bollocks" on TV and the American network folks didn't realize it's a swear, so that's funny.
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Nov 1, 2020 05:33
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Time's Orphan was apparently first pitched as a TNG story to write out Alexander - and that would have made a lot more sense. It's very easy to picture Worf deciding there's no other alternative but to abandon his child alone on a distant planet - but it seems a bit out of character for O'Brien.
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Nov 1, 2020 06:16
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Has Star Trek ever introduced a child character and not regretted it besides Jake/Nog?
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Nov 1, 2020 06:18
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Naomi Wildman was okay I guess
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Nov 1, 2020 06:19
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Yeah, she wasn't particularly annoying and her interactions with Seven were often fun.
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Nov 1, 2020 06:21
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:Given the current state of Doctor Who and of Star Trek, I'd be hard pressed to say one approach is better than the other. Non-fans who don't get it vs. fans who don't get it, doesn't seem to be much of a distinction, to me. Even if you don't like Nu-Who, you can't deny it's internationaly more popular than ever and more mainstream. When I was a kid in the 80s DW was the Nerd's Nerd obscure fandom in the US. I will never forget how surreal it was when mainstream news outlets here were breathlessly reporting on the casting of a new Doctor or merch was in non-comicbook stores since the revival. That isn't of itself a banner of quality, but it shows that continuity doesn't turn off casual or new fans. Also while some episodes have been horrible, and the current state of the plotting is...questionable, some of the best moments in the series have been under RTD and Moffat, like the anniversary or Hell Bent. And they are not afraid of the past. I mean poo poo, in Capadi's last season they brought back the oldest Cybermen designs and made them work somehow in the modern era, whereas DISCO wouldn't touch the actal look of 60s Trek with a 10 foot pole. Last time they dared to do that in Trek was Relics and Trials and Tribblations.
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Nov 1, 2020 06:24
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah, she wasn't particularly annoying and her interactions with Seven were often fun. the rest of the borg children were OK as well while they were around
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Nov 1, 2020 06:27
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I've watched Voyager but I literally can't remember anything about the Borg kids except they existed and one was named Icheb. I think Icheb wanted to be Starfleet and was doing Wesley field commission stuff?
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Nov 1, 2020 06:33
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Grand Fromage posted:I've watched Voyager but I literally can't remember anything about the Borg kids except they existed and one was named Icheb. I think Icheb wanted to be Starfleet and was doing Wesley field commission stuff? They were in like 4 episodes before Janeway sold all of them except Icheb to a passing trader for dilithum.
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Nov 1, 2020 06:36
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Astroman posted:Even if you don't like Nu-Who, you can't deny it's internationaly more popular than ever and more mainstream. When I was a kid in the 80s DW was the Nerd's Nerd obscure fandom in the US. I will never forget how surreal it was when mainstream news outlets here were breathlessly reporting on the casting of a new Doctor or merch was in non-comicbook stores since the revival. That isn't of itself a banner of quality, but it shows that continuity doesn't turn off casual or new fans. The original Cybermen designs were full-on body horror, and Capaldi’s last season did them justice. Hell, season 10 in general was pretty fantastic. Enterprise did something similar with the Tholians. They were terrifying and otherworldly in TOS, and they were freaky we gently caress when Enterprise brought them back. Especially with the squealing robotic communications they used before they showed their faces.
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Nov 1, 2020 07:13
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Astroman posted:Even if you don't like Nu-Who, you can't deny it's internationaly more popular than ever and more mainstream. When I was a kid in the 80s DW was the Nerd's Nerd obscure fandom in the US. I will never forget how surreal it was when mainstream news outlets here were breathlessly reporting on the casting of a new Doctor or merch was in non-comicbook stores since the revival. That isn't of itself a banner of quality, but it shows that continuity doesn't turn off casual or new fans. Uh 
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Time makes orphans of us all They say time is the orphan in which we burn
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Fair enough, but's still from basicslly the same era of Bermaga Trek. HD DAD posted:The original Cybermen designs were full-on body horror, and Capaldi’s last season did them justice. Hell, season 10 in general was pretty fantastic. Thing with the Tenth Planet designs is that they were body horror, but the show moved quickly away from that into more sleek robotic designs, constantly modernizing them. Old School fans appreciated the original designs as being still horrifying, but I think before the Capaldi ep, if you showed them to most current viewers they'd laugh them off as a clunky 60s low budget design. It took a lot of guts (and showrunner power) to bring them back almost 1:1, including the voices. I think they just slightly reduced the chestpiece by like 10% in size and had them wear gloves, which was necessary to not spoil the Bill Potts reveal. New Trek can't help but upgrade everything when they bring it back, like the Tellerites and Androrians, where they couldn't even be bothered to use the more modern Enterprise makeup. They couldn't even resist it with the Talosians, and in effect lost the impact of the original design.
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Nov 1, 2020 14:46
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FlamingLiberal posted:Is Probert the one who did the NX-01 refit idea Probert was way earlier: he did a lot of the 1701 refit, including being mainly responsible the art deco elements IIRC, and designed the Enterprise-D and most of season 1 of TNG, including things like the Romulan Warbird, as well as a lot of the Enterprise-D interiors like the Bridge. He was basically off TNG after season one or two.
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Nov 1, 2020 15:01
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Astroman posted:Even if you don't like Nu-Who, you can't deny it's internationaly more popular than ever and more mainstream. When I was a kid in the 80s DW was the Nerd's Nerd obscure fandom in the US. I will never forget how surreal it was when mainstream news outlets here were breathlessly reporting on the casting of a new Doctor or merch was in non-comicbook stores since the revival. That isn't of itself a banner of quality, but it shows that continuity doesn't turn off casual or new fans. I won't deny that I enjoyed some parts of the new show when I was watching it, even in the RTD years. I just couldn't take the roller coaster of having a couple of really great episodes per season, surrounded by the irredeemable trash of the rest of them. But for the most part it lacked essential qualities I enjoyed about the old show, and I eventually decided it wasn't worth punishing myself that much in order to get what it was giving me, so it's in that sense I compared it to the current Star Trek shows.
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Nov 1, 2020 19:35
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MikeJF posted:Probert was way earlier: he did a lot of the 1701 refit, including being mainly responsible the art deco elements IIRC, and designed the Enterprise-D and most of season 1 of TNG, including things like the Romulan Warbird, as well as a lot of the Enterprise-D interiors like the Bridge. He was basically off TNG after season one or two. He was not invited back after the first season. He's pretty notoriously cantankerous and he and Berman got along like oil and water.
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Nov 1, 2020 19:49
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Timby posted:There are a few people who I've spoken with off the record Mike Okuda is a big one who have said that Probert was a giant pain in the rear end to deal with on TNG. Sternbach has also had some less than fond words for him. But there's no denying that his design work was above reproach and I loving hate that ILM and later John Eaves became the god kings of Trek ship design. I'm not surprised at all, I mean he basically admits he threw a tantrum over recycling the Star Trek 3 mushroom-starbase footage for 11001001. Like dude yeah I get that it's silly, but when the producers say there's no money to do a new model, just swallow it and move on. His proposed design sketches for a different shot of docking the Enterprise-D are just... man, I like the idea, but even with the two-footer model that would have been enormously complicated and expensive.
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Nov 1, 2020 20:08
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speaking of Eaves, is there anything known about his departure beyond what's in Memory Alpha and what not? The Discoprise is pretty obviously different for no real story reason, so his initial statement that the CBS-Paramount split had led to a "had to be 25% different" copyright requirement made sense... which was then squashed by CBS and Eaves seemingly ejected from Star Trek over it.
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Nov 1, 2020 20:25
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Timby posted:He was not invited back after the first season. He's pretty notoriously cantankerous and he and Berman got along like oil and water. He is still to this day seething mad about the Galaxy-X redesign from All Good Things.
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Nov 1, 2020 20:27
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Crusader posted:speaking of Eaves, is there anything known about his departure beyond what's in Memory Alpha and what not? The Discoprise is pretty obviously different for no real story reason, so his initial statement that the CBS-Paramount split had led to a "had to be 25% different" copyright requirement made sense... which was then squashed by CBS and Eaves seemingly ejected from Star Trek over it. Eaves' involvement in Trek had been slowing for quite some time (as I recall, he only did a few minor prop designs for the Kelvin movies) and I think he was just a casualty of the clusterfuck that was Discovery's first season. I'm pretty sure he's a lead designer on Picard, though (which would explain why everything in that show looks like hot garbage).
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Nov 1, 2020 20:31
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Crusader posted:speaking of Eaves, is there anything known about his departure beyond what's in Memory Alpha and what not? The Discoprise is pretty obviously different for no real story reason, so his initial statement that the CBS-Paramount split had led to a "had to be 25% different" copyright requirement made sense... which was then squashed by CBS and Eaves seemingly ejected from Star Trek over it. My understanding is that that was always a misunderstanding, possibly partly on the part of him or possibly by whoever reported the story. Really what happened is that production said 'look, can you take the Enterprise and modernise it and change it up a bit, alter it about 25%' and somewhere along the line that got confused with a legal obligation. I suspect that he wasn't so much ejected as was never part of the core internal design team and they just preferred to stick with their own people as time went on, but that's speculation.
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Nov 1, 2020 20:50
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Any word on the Star Trek kid’s show that Nickelodeon is making? I’m pretty sure they were the channel that had a live action space show in the 90’s that young me saw as a children’s version of Trek.
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Nov 1, 2020 21:32
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shadowvine118 posted:Any word on the Star Trek kid’s show that Nickelodeon is making? I’m pretty sure they were the channel that had a live action space show in the 90’s that young me saw as a children’s version of Trek.
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Nov 1, 2020 21:35
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shadowvine118 posted:Any word on the Star Trek kid’s show that Nickelodeon is making? I’m pretty sure they were the channel that had a live action space show in the 90’s that young me saw as a children’s version of Trek. They announced last month that Kate Mulgrew would be coming back for it as Janeway. The details are still fairly fuzzy at this time but it sounds like it's a show about a group of Starfleet cadets (maybe), who find themselves in command of a starship somehow, and Janeway factors into it as a recurring character, possibly as a mentor figure of some sort. So basically like Red Squadron and the USS Valiant from DS9, only hopefully without all the war crimes, insanity, and everyone dying. But we'll see.
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Nov 1, 2020 21:40
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shadowvine118 posted:Any word on the Star Trek kid’s show that Nickelodeon is making? I’m pretty sure they were the channel that had a live action space show in the 90’s that young me saw as a children’s version of Trek. We have a title (Star Trek: Prodigy), a premise (a group of rebellious teenagers go exploring with an abandoned starship), one casting announcement (Mulgrew as Janeway) and a logo:  And, yes, Space Cases aired on Nickelodeon in the mid-'90s.
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Nov 1, 2020 21:43
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Kind of reminds me of Hypernauts.
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Nov 1, 2020 23:10
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Discovery: sounds good at first, but then you realize it never finds a central theme and just meanders around The song is definitely good, but the intro falls exactly into the typical convention of big budget, prestige intros of this era. Quick cuts of disparate images from a related theme. Also see the intros for Walking Dead, True Blood, Da Vinci's Demons, Penny Dreadful, True Detective
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Nov 1, 2020 23:43
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nine-gear crow posted:The relentless advance of time. time to slingshot around the sun I guess I have zero memory of this. Bilirubin fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Nov 2, 2020 |
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Nov 2, 2020 02:56
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In A Mirror, Darkly is a great two parter and actually has an impact on future Trek series
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FlamingLiberal posted:In A Mirror, Darkly is a great two parter and actually has an impact on future Trek series It's also got the best opening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXw6hC7hxBA
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