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Taiwan had an enormous huge LGBT pride parade today. communist china has so many more people why dont they have a bigger LGBT pride parade 
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There are no gay people in china. Now no more questions.
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Nov 1, 2020 04:14
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I've lived with my in-laws for extended periods, but no more than months. If it was a big enough place I wouldn't really mind because it just means more eyes on my kid and more time freed up for me, but the living arrangements are almost always crammed. Even in Taiwan, everyone packs themselves into the first floor grocery store of the house during the day rather than spreading out to the upper floors. I guess there's this sense that in order to be social, you have to be in the same room and nominally help out at the register when the neighborhood uncles come in for their morning bottles of paolyta.
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Nov 1, 2020 04:31
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Blistex posted:She's been here for nearly a year instead of to he planned two months. She misses her husband and family, and it's just been too long. Oh drat man I am sorry. I havent kept up with the covid stuff but it seems like the summer shoulda been the best time to try to get her home. What caused the delay to go into the fall?
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Nov 1, 2020 06:52
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Dont Touch ME posted:There are no gay people in china. Now no more questions. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/28/business/international/china-gay-homosexuality-textbooks-lawsuit.html New York Times, Reporter: Sui-Lee Wee posted:China’s Stance on Homosexuality Has Changed. Its Textbooks Haven’t.
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Nov 1, 2020 18:04
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look it's simple:
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Nov 1, 2020 18:25
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How do these sort of lawsuits work in China? I'm guessing it's effectively a very public petition to an official somewhere (anonymous to all involved), who will basically decide whether it is worth granting? As I kind of doubt the party will go 'welp you got us' over the letter of the law.
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Nov 1, 2020 21:04
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Ups_rail posted:Oh drat man I am sorry. I havent kept up with the covid stuff but it seems like the summer shoulda been the best time to try to get her home. What caused the delay to go into the fall? Ticket prices, testing availably, and turn around time by were all factors. Tickets before now were crazy expensive and also being frequently cancelled.
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Nov 1, 2020 21:43
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Jeoh posted:look it's simple: right-click save as 'sinosexual.jpg'
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Nov 2, 2020 04:43
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Mr. Fix It posted:right-click save as 'sinosexual.jpg'
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Nov 2, 2020 04:45
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Mother in law is back in China. She has two weeks of quarantine in a Gov run hotel then another two in her own home when she gets there. She's likely to be tested 6-8 times before her ordeal is over.
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Nov 2, 2020 05:00
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That's why China has controlled the virus while other places have hosed up massively. Their border controls and quarantine arrangements are really good. Combine that with mass testing and enforced lockdown and you get a nearly watertight system that makes all the people saying "we have to learn to live with the virus" look like idiots.
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Nov 2, 2020 06:15
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Rabelais D posted:That's why China has controlled the virus while other places have hosed up massively. Their border controls and quarantine arrangements are really good. Combine that with mass testing and enforced lockdown and you get a nearly watertight system that makes all the people saying "we have to learn to live with the virus" look like idiots. lol if you believe China's virus data
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Nov 2, 2020 06:20
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Strategic Tea posted:How do these sort of lawsuits work in China? I'm guessing it's effectively a very public petition to an official somewhere (anonymous to all involved), who will basically decide whether it is worth granting? China does have real courts and real laws and real lawyers. Cases do get decided based on the letter of the law. It's just that when that law bumps up against someone powerful or influential enough it stops mattering. So sure you can sue a company for breach of contract or w/e.
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Nov 2, 2020 06:25
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Blistex posted:Mother in law is back in China. She has two weeks of quarantine in a Gov run hotel then another two in her own home when she gets there. She's likely to be tested 6-8 times before her ordeal is over. Does she pay for her quarantine? How good is the hotel? Does she get meals comped as well? When I returned home to Aus. in late May, our filthy socialist government paid for my 2 week room and meals at the Sydney Travelodge.
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Nov 2, 2020 06:34
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Thailand makes you pay for the two weeks, but there has been some, uh, less than stellar enforcement of the quarantine protocols. Big news recently was that a woman contracted the virus while in quarantine because apparently some exercise equipment she had access to hadn't been properly sanitized. The implication is that the people in quarantine are not confined to their rooms and that she was asymptomatic for at least a few days in the general population before she felt sick and went to the hospital. Fortunately, she had been staying in more remote areas and tourism numbers are down so the total potential contacts is minimal. More than anything it turned into a debate on whether or not to consider her to be French or Thai. Apparently she was a dual passport holder so all the news outlets listed her as foreign for obvious propaganda reasons. The foreign community pushed back and wanted it to be clarified that she was Thai but I'm not sure they made any headway.
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Nov 2, 2020 07:22
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Just about everyone except for Taiwan and some Pacific Islands have had lapses for a variety of reasons which thankfully have been contained.SerCypher posted:China does have real courts and real laws and real lawyers. Cases do get decided based on the letter of the law. I am going to file this under  what are you smoking.Also yes you indeed can sue local companies but super good luck about that assuming there is anyone to sue. Multinationals have lost for BS reasons. Rabelais D posted:That's why China has controlled the virus while other places have hosed up massively. Their border controls and quarantine arrangements are really good. Combine that with mass testing and enforced lockdown and you get a nearly watertight system that makes all the people saying "we have to learn to live with the virus" look like idiots. False China data or not they are still idiots. Fojar38 posted:lol if you believe China's virus data
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Nov 2, 2020 07:41
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oohhboy posted:
the multinationals ofc will lose in china because they are multinationals, and they better know who's daddy but yes there are real laws and real lawyers and a court and all that in China. Even just for bureaucracy reasons, a society/country at this scale requires a legal system. Even if some laws are more enforced than the others, and powerful people/corporations with connections to the party will have the upper hand, but even the big brother can't take care of everything all the time. Also after the cultural revolution and especially from about 20 years go, maybe from late 1990s to earlier this decade, there was a real effort in China for the government to act in accordance to the law and to build up the legal system. Even though now xi jinling is making a real effort to undo that, a structure of court & law was created and it largely remains and functions as long as the process does not interfere with the party's interest.
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Nov 2, 2020 08:45
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Rule of law that is only enforced when it doesn't conflict with party interests is no rule of law at all.
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Nov 2, 2020 08:47
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I don't disagree on that. It's terrible and i wish it's not that way. But almost every legal system has laws that's enforced more than others. By that definition, because Donald Trump is not impeached and still a president means America has no rule of law. To be clear (just because i think i sound more and more like a tankie when I have to say poo poo like "China Has Laws!"), I think the American legal system is so much more reliable than the Chinese legal system. But you'd be surprised to find out how a dictatorship still has to govern and provides its people with circus and bread and everything else that is common in a modern society. It is also in the party's interest that people can rely on the law and a legal system for most conflicts in their lives. I don't agree with a statement that makes it sound like the legal system in china doesn't even exist. feizhouxiongdi2 fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Nov 2, 2020 |
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Nov 2, 2020 08:57
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therobit posted:Rule of law that is only enforced when it doesn't conflict with party interests is no rule of law at all. No one said rule of law. China obviously doesn't have rule of law. But a society still needs to function. 99.99% of legal matters are just bureaucratic or between individuals/companies. The CCP doesn't have time to put its foot on the scale of every court case. So yeah, if that lady wants to sue the text book company, and the government in the area either doesn't know about it and/or doesn't care then it will play out like a regular court case. Like I know the CCP is a dictatorship but people still need to pay traffic tickets, or do divorces or business law.
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Nov 2, 2020 08:59
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Yeah, I am not buying that given what I have read the assumption that day to day paperwork or business law, ie civil law is "Fine" is a stretch even before Xi. Its Criminal justice is FUBAR, an omni shambles of arbitrariness, straight up kangaroo courts. You assume the process itself is functional because it MUST. Dictatorship and other authoritarian governments around the world have shown it to be quite optional. Then there are plenty of extra judicial punishments through locking people out of transportation essentially de facto home arrest and economic like denying loans etc. Once you are Rule by Law the legal system has already failed. The lady who sued over the text books not being picked up by the government is not an endorsement you think it is. Now that she has made the news god knows what they are going to do to her after the fact. Hell posters itt have told stories of business dealings which are pretty much  . IP theft is so endemic even small items are getting stolen to first to market destroying said company. Even having fixers on the ground doesn't guarantee poo poo. There is good drat reasons why businesses setup in Hong Kong making it the hub it is instead of the Mainland as it does grant a level of fairness you can't get otherwise.
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Nov 2, 2020 10:15
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Well, it used to.
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Nov 2, 2020 11:03
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BrigadierSensible posted:Does she pay for her quarantine? How good is the hotel? Does she get meals comped as well? She pays for her stay. I have no idea what the hotel is like, but I'll be able to let you know soon. I'm going to ask her to take and send pics of it and some of her meals. So hopefully today I can post those. Fojar38 posted:lol if you believe China's virus data At this point I would actually be inclined to believe them. Given the steps they take and have took to get Covid under control, and the compliance the citizenry has given them... Why not? My father in law has been there this entire time in a Podunk city that's never seen a case and the controls going on there are astounding (show of force and surveillance). Other relatives in other parts of the country (big cities and Podunk villages) are all describing similar measures. The fact that the government does all the contract tracing for you (obviously without your consent or knowledge) is very effective and scary. The CCP is loving this, because they have been able to not only advance their population tracking tech, but are now showcasing and trying to sell it for reasons other than "insane Orwellian state".* It's an evil system being run by an evil state, but it's working to stomp out Covid. *Their contract tracing software was originally intended to track people who were deemed "unharmonious" and to record and track the people they frequently interacted with (in case that unharmoniousness spread). It's doing its be intended job, but instead of tracking "dangerous thought" it's tracking a dangerous virus.
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https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1323278696707362817?s=20
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Nov 2, 2020 16:01
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Blistex posted:She pays for her stay. I have no idea what the hotel is like, but I'll be able to let you know soon. I'm going to ask her to take and send pics of it and some of her meals. So hopefully today I can post those. To bad they didn't use that tech to keep it from spreading out of china.
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Nov 2, 2020 17:34
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can we extend the contact tracing to wild animal markets so that no two species are ever put in the same blender between washes
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Nov 2, 2020 17:39
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wjs5 posted:To bad they didn't use that tech to keep it from spreading out of china. What was the amount of time between China locking down internal travel and international arrivals and them stopping international departures?
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Nov 2, 2020 17:57
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Did they even lock down internal travel? I remember the lunar new year going ahead despite the outbreak already being known.
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Nov 2, 2020 17:59
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Shumagorath posted:Did they even lock down internal travel? I remember the lunar new year going ahead despite the outbreak already being known. I mean, they closed down all of Wuhan for a while there.
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Nov 2, 2020 18:04
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Shumagorath posted:Did they even lock down internal travel? I remember the lunar new year going ahead despite the outbreak already being known. Sure as gently caress did. They initially messed up the Wuhan lockdown (giving people a few day's notice to flee and spread it), but caught up pretty quickly. The citizen tracking infrastructure really helped them to identify and locate people who were not complying. My father in law went for a walk out of his home in the country (after being cleared to leave the city) and was strolling alone in the early morning along an empty backroad and within 5 minutes of leaving received a phone call informing him that he still had 13 days of quarantine left since he crossed a provincial boundary and to return to his house.
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Nov 2, 2020 18:07
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oohhboy posted:Yeah, I am not buying that given what I have read the assumption that day to day paperwork or business law, ie civil law is "Fine" is a stretch even before Xi. Its Criminal justice is FUBAR, an omni shambles of arbitrariness, straight up kangaroo courts. You assume the process itself is functional because it MUST. Dictatorship and other authoritarian governments around the world have shown it to be quite optional. Then there are plenty of extra judicial punishments through locking people out of transportation essentially de facto home arrest and economic like denying loans etc. Once you are Rule by Law the legal system has already failed. It's not an endorsement. You're right on all of those things. However the vast majority of court cases for the vast majority of things are going to be relatively 'normal'. You could even consider it a criticism, since the Government doesn't touch anything, many people won't know how rigged the system is until it's too late. See the roundup of Human Rights Lawyers that intensified under Xi. The documentary Hooligan Sparrow is a good glimpse into how people can suddenly find themelves on the wrong side of the system. Like obviously the last place I'd ever want to be is in front of the Chinese Legal system for any reason, but it does exist and is real and the CCP isn't afraid of it. It's in their best interests for it to work like normal courts for most people, After all they write all the laws, so they can put whatever they want in there. So not really arguing with any of your points, just saying it is possible to sue the government/business and win. Sometimes it's just worth it for the CCP to keep up the veneer of a real justice system. For example, people who get wrongfully imprisoned do sue the state, and they do sometimes win. A few cases now and then help convince people in China that the system is fair. This is daily mail but I couldn't find the conclusion anywhere else: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8897847/Chinese-villager-wrongfully-convicted-murder-gets-573K-state-compensation.html
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Nov 2, 2020 18:11
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therobit posted:Rule of law that is only enforced when it doesn't conflict with party interests is no rule of law at all. I suppose this was my point, because a very public homophobia case would raise the question of whether the CCP wants its citizens to be homophobic, and whether it wants send the message that naking a public fuss can get the law changed/enforced. Where is the cut off between actual, everyday law that I'm sure is enforced and political interference?
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Nov 2, 2020 19:13
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Blistex posted:At this point I would actually be inclined to believe them. Given the steps they take and have took to get Covid under control, and the compliance the citizenry has given them... Why not? i thought china was a big fan of "that's not covid that's just extremely contagious pneumonia with fever and vomiting. go home*"? maybe they don't need to do this anymore *we dont have room for you in our hospitals and if we confirm it's covid we need to admit and treat you
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Nov 2, 2020 19:40
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The White Dragon posted:i thought china was a big fan of "that's not covid that's just extremely contagious pneumonia with fever and vomiting. go home*"? maybe they don't need to do this anymore It's literally cheaper to look Covid in the eye and properly address it than to play denial games. Most western governments can't do that because their citizens are too stupid, outspoken, and allergic to inconvenience to not make them unelectable for the next hundred years. The CCP doesn't have to worry about elections and to a certain extent popularity. They knew getting rid of Covid by "ripping the bandage quickly" would be the best, and they did it. To keep using that analogy, most western countries have either never used a bandage properly, tried taking it off too soon, or in some cases have been rubbing a crackhead's Lyme disease poo poo into the wound while screaming that they were never injured in the first place.
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Nov 2, 2020 20:33
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The Australian import bans are interesting, more lobster and bark beetles for me!
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Blistex posted:It's literally cheaper to look Covid in the eye and properly address it than to play denial games. Most western governments can't do that because their citizens are too stupid, outspoken, and allergic to inconvenience to not make them unelectable for the next hundred years. The CCP doesn't have to worry about elections and to a certain extent popularity. They knew getting rid of Covid by "ripping the bandage quickly" would be the best, and they did it. To keep using that analogy, most western countries have either never used a bandage properly, tried taking it off too soon, or in some cases have been rubbing a crackhead's Lyme disease poo poo into the wound while screaming that they were never injured in the first place. I'd argue the real reason we haven't done what China did is that even those of us who really want a strong Virus Response aren't comfortable with our government using CCP tactics. Even if in this case it would have caused less deaths, if the Government can chain everyone inside their houses and enact martial law for this, they can do it for anything. So yeah, I mean I wish the US was better at this, and people wore masks. However if it's a choice between a few hundred thousand deaths (even if one of them is me) and living under a dictatorship that can make "the hard decisions" I'll take our lovely plague zone.
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Nov 2, 2020 21:09
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If China still had a raging epidemic going on we'd have whistleblowers talking about it by now, hell you'd have Guo Wengui trumpeting it from the rooftops. I don't doubt there's some amount of cases falling through the cracks but China is basically back to normal.
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Nov 2, 2020 21:19
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SerCypher posted:I'd argue the real reason we haven't done what China did is that even those of us who really want a strong Virus Response aren't comfortable with our government using CCP tactics. And a China-level response isn't even necessary. South Korea, Japan, and Vietnam are all handling things significantly better than any Western country without unleashing the same level of restrictions on personal freedom.
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Strategic Tea posted:I suppose this was my point, because a very public homophobia case would raise the question of whether the CCP wants its citizens to be homophobic, and whether it wants send the message that naking a public fuss can get the law changed/enforced. The legislation is a losing battle. Unless everyone I met was extremely weird and all the stuff I've read is wrong, nobody under 40 in China gives a gently caress about homosexuality. It's like everywhere else, olds make a fuss but they're dying and the new generations could not possibly care less.
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