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I know a freelance electrician who said this to me in complete earnestness.
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SNAP actually generates more money than it costs, if I recall correctly.
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These people do not understand how supply/demand works on even an Econ 101 level, places need customers and people on welfare are customers. Hell Wal-Mart gets tons of its money from people on welfare.
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It's like all the reporting on food spoilage and USDA food box inefficiencies earlier this year, if they'd just boosted SNAP payments or offered everyone a one-time free EBT card... that poo poo would've sold pretty close to standard projected schedule, in normal stores, like it normally does. It's not perfect, but it maintains a functioning supply chain and preserves as many jobs as possible. Because demand for food products is going to exist at predictable baseline levels from the population, but the average consumer's ability to pay can (also predictably) be crippled by a pandemic economy. Right-wingers are just too afraid of the population getting accustomed to government doing useful things. So instead of simply funding a functional system with some bonus during recessions, everything has to be some kind of gimmick or lobbyist's idea. Edit: honestly the whole framing on welfare is just trashed in this country. If someone's working more than 30 hours a week and needs welfare to stay housed and fed, their employer is the actual welfare beneficiary since that person's likely not an outlier on the company payroll. sweart gliwere fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Oct 26, 2020 |
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Oct 26, 2020 15:44
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sweart gliwere posted:Right-wingers are just too afraid of the population getting accustomed to government doing useful things. Added to the fact that people don't have time to think about politics or follow the news when they're constantly busy. This is why the working poor can't be allowed to have too much free time. Because they'd have more time to make an informed decision regarding elections. Instead, you have people who are forced to decide how they want to get their news. One biased source? Doesn't sound great. But neither does gathering your news from 6 different sources and distilling that down into a more accurate portrayal of what happened. So people just pick the one "comfortable" station they know (the one that makes them feel better/confirms their views) because they don't have 2 hours a night to be informed. This is why soundbites basically rule the political arena: people want to get their "news" in like 10 seconds or less. Impatient sure, but also understandable if you work 60 hours a week.
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Grimdude posted:One biased source? Doesn't sound great. But neither does gathering your news from 6 different sources and distilling that down into a more accurate portrayal of what happened. So people just pick the one "comfortable" station they know (the one that makes them feel better/confirms their views) because they don't have 2 hours a night to be informed. This is why soundbites basically rule the political arena: people want to get their "news" in like 10 seconds or less. Impatient sure, but also understandable if you work 60 hours a week. https://books.google.com/books/about/Network_Propaganda.html?id=6hhnDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button Network Propaganda has a pretty good breakdown of the media troubles in the modern era, especially the asymmetry in radicalization and departures from objectivity. Even the few left-wing outlets which might tonally mirror the right-wing loony sources like InfoWars and Breitbart, will still maintain connections to journalistic outlets with classic norms like fact-checking and objective analysis. These connections are strong enough to fend off things like the PizzaGate conspiracies and similar BS. Boils down to the reality that there are almost zero left-wing consumers who won't still value info sources like NPR/PBS/WP/NYT/BBC, even with a hard-left partisan or ideological personal preference. While the GOP media sphere has kinda become a modern John Birch Society, with its partisan consumers reflexively opposed to these mainstream outlets that still do prudent fact checks and conduct serious investigations, to the point that it's become borderline inbred. There's also the problematic mainstream media approach to performative fairness (entertaining both sides of an argument regardless of their merits), rather than objective fairness (entertaining both sides of an argument when both sides are rooted in our shared understanding of reality) which is certainly dryer but serves the public good. Good book with lots of analysis and info-graphics, and it's pretty accessible to anyone who keeps track of US politics and media. Not sure whether it's kosher to link the full pdf since it can be paid for, but they've published full chapters for free, so search for what you need? sweart gliwere fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Oct 26, 2020 |
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The best part about this is, it's not true. Many corporations are receiving "welfare" in some way or another and most likely this person has received a job from someone receiving government assistance.
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lost old man posted:I know a freelance electrician who said this to me in complete earnestness. pretending that the world turns on the rich's money is discounting every single walmart in the country just for starts.
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A relative posted:I still love my Democrat friends and family but...See it your way...I'll see it my way: You see Mr. Trump's arrogance, I see his confidence. You see Mr. Trump's nationalism, I see his patriotism. You see Mr. Trump as a dictator, I see him as a leader. You see him as an Authoritarian, I see him as the only one willing to fight for our freedoms. Bolded part is my favorite.
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Jaxyon posted:The best part about this is, it's not true.
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Oct 26, 2020 23:12
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Well thats not real welfare
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RagnarokAngel posted:"Novelty" lol A friend of mine works at a pharmacy and she's had people try to flash those cards on her. Oddly, no matter how many times she's called their bluff, neither she nor the owner have heard from any ADA officials.
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I feel bad for whoever has to answer that ADA violation line. Imagine how pleasant Darryl Blackburn there in the comments must be to talk to when he's on a real tear. This crap goes deep, you know.
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Where is my card that exempts me from wearing pants?
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tek79 posted:I feel bad for whoever has to answer that ADA violation line. Imagine how pleasant Darryl Blackburn there in the comments must be to talk to when he's on a real tear. This crap goes deep, you know. Joseph Holland cracked the case, though: every other country in the world is apparently just crisis-actor ensemble troupes! Just consider how unbelievably powerful the Democratic party must be, in this dude's imagination. They've got universal international participation in this conspiracy, regardless of any positive or negative relationships with the US or each other. And this is them one step above their weakest, when they're out of power? How could such a powerful group be meaningfully opposed by a lone elderly famous business doofus? They couldn't. So how would this guy not lump Trump in as a patsy? 
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This is all over FB todayquote:I have done my best to respect the diverse opinions regarding COVID-19 over these past few months, however the ER nurse that posted this brilliantly sums up my train of thought :
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I yelled at a lady to "put on a drat mask and put down the loving facebook" when she rolled up to the ballot drop box (FL-23) with her and her husband's ballots, maskless, parroting Q talking points about Trump ballots being thrown in the garbage or removed from the lockbox before being counted Which no one would have known she was, had she not loudly expressed "concern" that her Trump vote would be destroyed by the deep state I immediately tucked tail and ducked inside the building because it was my turn. def would've been too chickenshit to say anything if I hadn't seen the poll workers counting off how many people to let in for a batch of votes
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If I was afraid of the deep state thinking I was a trump supporter I wouldn't make that publicly known.
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RagnarokAngel posted:If I was afraid of the deep state thinking I was a trump supporter I wouldn't make that publicly known. Well, yeah, but that would also presume a functioning brain in the qanon types. Who needs a brain when you've got unchecked facebook groupthink?
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I've been seeing that one like crazy and of course it's already been debunked as states collect property tax, not the federal government. But I'd still pay that 3% to get Trump out.
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Hate to break it to the dumb fuckers but taxes almost always go up each year while your wages don’t. Source: all my insurance and taxes I pay.
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Invalid Validation posted:Hate to break it to the dumb fuckers but taxes almost always go up each year while your wages don’t. Source: all my insurance and taxes I pay. tbf, a tithe isn't technically a tax.
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RagnarokAngel posted:If I was afraid of the deep state thinking I was a trump supporter I wouldn't make that publicly known. Yeah, but these are the people who believe that the Gay Antifa Satanic Socialism Anarchist's super secret master plan to secretly control the world through shadow proxies is to openly brag about it on Facebook and various restaurant napkins.
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Jaxyon posted:This is all over FB today quote:Just remember it's a VIRUS and like all viruses it must run it's course through the population for immunity to be established Ah yes, as we all know since we've become immune to the flu and colds and HIV and so forth.
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Sarcastro posted:Ah yes, as we all know since we've become immune to the flu and colds and HIV and so forth. that was written by an anti-vaxxer so yes they do think that measles, TB, etc just magically went away due to sanitation and healthy eating and essential oils or whatever, and vaccine makers took credit
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VitalSigns posted:when you know what totalitarianism is I'll inspect my OWN can of cranberry sauce for botulinum toxin contamination thank you!
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Almost there...now do the ones paying them.
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The buffoon in the White House just brokered two Middle East Peace Accords, something that 71 years of political intervention and endless war failed to produce. He has now been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by 3 separate world leaders. The buffoon in the White House is the first president that has not engaged us in a foreign war since Eisenhower. The buffoon in the White House promised to destroy ISIS, and kept his promise. Something Obama promised to do, but couldn’t. The buffoon in the White House has had the greatest impact on the economy, bringing jobs, and lowering unemployment to the Black and Latino population of ANY other president. Ever! The buffoon in the White House has exposed the deep, widespread, and long-standing corruption in the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and the Democratic party. The buffoon in the White House turned NATO around and had them start paying their dues. The buffoon in the White House neutralized the North Koreans, stopped them from developing a further nuclear capability, sending missiles toward Japan, and threatening the West Coast of the US. The buffoon in the White House repositioned our embassy to Jerusalem, something every president before him promised to do, but NEVER had the guts to do. But for the Wuhan caused pandemic, the Buffoon in the White House has stood up to China, brought hundreds of businesses back to the US, and revived the US economy well beyond anything his predecessor thought possible…..without a “magic wand.” The buffoon in the White House has accomplished the appointing of two Supreme Court Justices, nominated an incredibly well qualified candidate for the current SCOTUS vacancy, and will soon have placed close to 300 Federal Judges on the federal bench. The buffoon in the White House lowered your taxes and caused your stock market to move to record levels over 100 times, positively impacting the retirements of tens of millions of citizens. The buffoon in the White House fast-tracked the development of a COVID Vaccine - it will be available within months - we still don't have a vaccine for SARS, Bird Flu, Ebola, or a host of diseases that arose during previous administrations. The buffoon in the White House rebuilt our military which the Obama administration had crippled and had fired 214 key generals and admirals in his first year of office. The buffoon in the White House uncovered and curtailed rampant illegal immigration and widespread sex and drug trafficking in the United States and beyond. The buffoon in the White House works for free and has lost well over 2 billion dollars of his own money in serving - and done all of this and much more in the face of relentless undermining and opposition from people who are threatened because they know they are going to be exposed as the criminals that they are if he is re-elected. I got it, you don't like him. How special of you. He is serving you and ALL the American people. What are you doing besides calling him names?" Copy & paste!
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I got a lot of you must respect the president even if you don’t like him garbage when Trump first got elected. I’m sure these upstanding AMERICANS will respect the position and say nothing bad about a Biden presidency.
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Invalid Validation posted:I got a lot of you must respect the president even if you don’t like him garbage when Trump first got elected. I’m sure these upstanding AMERICANS will respect the position and say nothing bad about a Biden presidency. and i'd further bet that they showed just as much respect and reverence to the 44th potus
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Marx Was A Lib posted:and i'd further bet that they showed just as much respect and reverence to the 44th potus Yep it's always fun seeing my uncle who referred to 44 as "That n****" post the "He's your president, show him the respect he deserves!" posts.
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