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NotJustANumber99 posted:What about when someone foreign comes here? Are you serious or trolling? People coming in go onto quarantine or they get massive fines. This exact policy is working elsewhere.
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I'm really fortunate in that me and the missus had the time to devote to teaching our kids at home, and that we have multiple computers available for them to work at simultaneously etc- a lot of families aren't in the same position And it was still really challenging because teaching is a loving hard job. Even when you can threaten turning off the wifi or hide the chocolate biscuits. It takes time and effort and resources that aren't being made available and simply won't be made available because the government can blame parents and schools through the press for free- or claim concerns for the mental health of kids after refusing to do anything to fix childhood mental health services for a decade+
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Nov 3, 2020 12:29
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Nov 3, 2020 12:33
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mediaphage posted:Are you serious or trolling? People coming in go onto quarantine or they get massive fines. This exact policy is working elsewhere. Yeah, but proper quarantine. They go into a few hotels that are controlled by local health bodies and stay there until they are given the all clear, not the current system of letting them make their own way to wherever the gently caress they're going via public transport and nothing to ensure they actually go where they say.
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Nov 3, 2020 12:48
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Not a number is right, sadly this disease cannot be defeated and the UK government is truly trying it's best and despite our world beating system even we can't handle it They could make these great points all day
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Nov 3, 2020 12:57
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Nov 3, 2020 13:00
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OwlFancier posted:Cancel exams, give everyone As, tell people they can send their kids to school or not, spend the time letting teachers teach whatever they want. I loving wish they'd cancel exams. I have an important exam coming up, that involves examining real patients and usually takes a few months to properly revise for. The last time I was due to take it was before the last lockdown, and they cancelled with less than 24 hours notice. They just sent out an email saying they will "try" to run the exams despite lockdown, but if they realise the day before (or on the day) that they don't have enough consultants or patients they'll just cancel at the last minute. Cool, cool. Not like I have to book a hotel and coach trip to get to the loving exam, or spend the next two weeks revising several hours a day, AGAIN, when you're almost certain to cancel at the last minute, AGAIN. But of course if you cancelled them now, you'd have to give back everyone's £650 entry fee. Fuckers.
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Nov 3, 2020 13:14
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mediaphage posted:Are you serious or trolling? People coming in go onto quarantine or they get massive fines. This exact policy is working elsewhere. This is what Australia is doing but without fines. Everybody coming into the country goes straight into hotel quarantine (except for allowed people arriving from NZ). However, only Australian citizens and permanent residents are allowed into the country and there is a cap on how many can come each week, currently 4000 a week but due to rise soon, so that capacity isn’t overwhelmed. Each returning traveller pays AU$3000 for their quarantine stay. A facility near Darwin has just started taking people from repatriation flights from the UK, India and South Africa so that more people can come home. The whole system is tightly managed, but it’s not perfect and it was a failure in the system that lead to the outbreak in Victoria which caused the 111 day lockdown there. The UKs borders are still open aren’t they? Do you have the facilities to quarantine everyone that comes in the same way Australia is?
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Nov 3, 2020 13:15
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Helith posted:The UKs borders are still open aren’t they? Do you have the facilities to quarantine everyone that comes in the same way Australia is? We have heaps of empty hotels ala the Australia and NZ system, an incredible health service, an army of people who could become trained to work in these facilities, but we don't have leadership. As said above, people come in and 'quarantine' at their destination. Which could be 5 or 6 hours on public transport from the airport.
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Nov 3, 2020 13:19
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That's what the lorry parks are for.
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Nov 3, 2020 13:20
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Ratjaculation posted:We have heaps of empty hotels ala the Australia and NZ system, an incredible health service, an army of people who could become trained to work in these facilities, but we don't have leadership. In the Aus system there would only be about 20-30 people arriving on each flight and they are taken by bus straight to their quarantine hotel from the airport. They are tested 3 times during their stay and the overseas quarantine positive cases are counted separately from local cases.
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Helith posted:In the Aus system there would only be about 20-30 people arriving on each flight and they are taken by bus straight to their quarantine hotel from the airport. They are tested 3 times during their stay and the overseas quarantine positive cases are counted separately from local cases. What if you have your own plane?
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NotJustANumber99 posted:What if you have your own plane? If you are rich enough to have your own plane, I’m pretty sure the cap doesn’t apply to you, but you still have to quarantine. Peter Dutton will probably allow you to do it at your mansion though. Anyway, I’ve been catching up on this thread because I emigrated from the UK about 8 years ago but my elderly parents live up in the north west and things are looking hairy up there.
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feedmegin posted:Not when it matters, he won't. He'll do a deal with the Tories where they agree to do some of what he wants and then stand down in their seats. Supporters should be reminded repeatedly of how he scammed more than a few out of £50 each paid to walk on the 'jarrow' march (or whatever it was) - which he turned up for approx half a day IIRC. Then all those who put up £500 of their own money to stand for election in GE2019 but then he pulled them all and they simply lost their £500. I actually felt sorry for them.
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Nov 3, 2020 13:40
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After someone posted that video the other day from the Northern Independence Party I reckon I'll be backing them now. It seems to have more teeth to it than just the 'northern powerhouse' slogan and squabbling councils, and even if it has enough of a vote share to make Labour listen I'd be happy with that. Their twitter is also good: https://twitter.com/freenorthnow Hate the flag though e: lol https://twitter.com/FreeNorthNow/status/1321949293255811072 justcola fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Nov 3, 2020 |
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Nov 3, 2020 13:42
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if you fly into this country on your own plane then good news, you only have to quarantine for a few minutes in front of a nice wall
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justcola posted:After someone posted that video the other day from the Northern Independence Party I reckon I'll be backing them now. It seems to have more teeth to it than just the 'northern powerhouse' slogan and squabbling councils, and even if it has enough of a vote share to make Labour listen I'd be happy with that. Their twitter is also good: https://twitter.com/freenorthnow They want to nationalise greggs. For the new nation of the north.
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Nov 3, 2020 13:47
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OwlFancier posted:That's what the lorry parks are for. Priti is against people quarantining in lorries. I've been meaning to ask, what option is there now for a leftist that won't vote for Starmer's Labour? I used to vote Green but people keep saying they're poo poo, the SWP are apparently just a shield for rapists etc so there doesn't seem much other option. Lungboy fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Nov 3, 2020 |
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Nov 3, 2020 13:56
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Where do you build the wall though?
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Lungboy posted:Priti is against people quarantining in lorries. Depends what constituency you're in. Like if you're in Islington North you should probably still vote for "Starmer's Labour", for example.
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Nov 3, 2020 14:27
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Gort posted:Depends what constituency you're in. Like if you're in Islington North you should probably still vote for "Starmer's Labour", for example. You should vote for the Independent MP, Jeremy Corbyn.
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Borrovan posted:I am also incredibly impressed with Starmer, I expected him to be a melt oval office & a traitor from the get-go but jfc
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OwlFancier posted:I guess yeah, you'd have to check what your local candidates are like. If they're neolib shithouses then gently caress em, if they're actually decent people then you might as well vote for them. Yeah I'm torn. On the one hand, my local MP is Nadia Whittome who is pretty Correct as far as I can tell, but at the same time I don't want to endorse Starmer in the loving slightest. e: for all that this matters, next vote is in 4 years lol
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justcola posted:After someone posted that video the other day from the Northern Independence Party I reckon I'll be backing them now. It seems to have more teeth to it than just the 'northern powerhouse' slogan and squabbling councils, and even if it has enough of a vote share to make Labour listen I'd be happy with that. Their twitter is also good: https://twitter.com/freenorthnow I'm still not sure whether the guy running it is in earnest or just trying to bring attention to the lovely treatment of the north. Either way I'm pretty sure he isn't just joking. Seems to have a more serious policy platform and better thought out plan than plenty of supposed proper politicians, and I'm all for it.
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Its getting on my nerves the way some people talk about COVID. In work on Sunday I heard a few people talking about how less than 1% of infected will die so what's the point of the lockdowns? Apart from the 1% dying few people seem to be thinking about the people that, while they'll recover from the disease, will have life long detrimental effects caused by it. It's as if they think once they're well everyone will just walk it off.
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bessantj posted:Its getting on my nerves the way some people talk about COVID. In work on Sunday I heard a few people talking about how less than 1% of infected will die so what's the point of the lockdowns? Apart from the 1% dying few people seem to be thinking about the people that, while they'll recover from the disease, will have life long detrimental effects caused by it. It's as if they think once they're well everyone will just walk it off. I mean, even "only 1% will die" is a poor argument, you don't even need to get into long covid. 1% is 6 million people incidentally, a very interesting number, maybe if they don't care about 6 million people dying they need to look at themselves in the mirror? 
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I mean, even "only 1% will die" is a poor argument, you don't even need to get into long covid. 1% of the UK population is certainly a lot of people to allow to die, but I think you might want to double check your maths.
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660 thousand, ish, as the UK does not have 660 millilon people in it, despite what the mail would have you believe.
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I never really hear the media talking about long covid, so it doesn't surprise me that people think you'll just get over it with no further issues.
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big scary monsters posted:1% of the UK population is certainly a lot of people to allow to die, but I think you might want to double check your maths. Whoops! I'd make a terrible hitler
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OwlFancier posted:I guess yeah, you'd have to check what your local candidates are like. If they're neolib shithouses then gently caress em, if they're actually decent people then you might as well vote for them. Margaret Hodge  Not that she needs my vote.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:I never really hear the media talking about long covid, so it doesn't surprise me that people think you'll just get over it with no further issues. They don't talk about long covid and the future disaster it's going to cause and about anything to do with the amount of transmission occurring at workplaces. The implication they can't acknowledge is the twin issues of people being forced to choose between homelessness and a deadly disease and the very act of 'getting everyone back to work' is actually making things worse and making it last much longer.
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bessantj posted:Its getting on my nerves the way some people talk about COVID. In work on Sunday I heard a few people talking about how less than 1% of infected will die so what's the point of the lockdowns? Apart from the 1% dying few people seem to be thinking about the people that, while they'll recover from the disease, will have life long detrimental effects caused by it. It's as if they think once they're well everyone will just walk it off. It's pretty cool that people are willing to let thousands of others die so they can get back to their mediocre hobbies and meet their friends in pubs so they can all sit in a circle going on their phones. I don't really like the idea of my parents buried in a mass grave just in time for Christmas, I guess half these poo poo heads forget for the last 3 winters there's been reports of patients lying down in hospital corridors and that - this year the NHS will be tested to the limit. Even everyday accidents will suddenly become life threatening. big scary monsters posted:I'm still not sure whether the guy running it is in earnest or just trying to bring attention to the lovely treatment of the north. Either way I'm pretty sure he isn't just joking. Seems to have a more serious policy platform and better thought out plan than plenty of supposed proper politicians, and I'm all for it. Seems legit so far, dodging Brexit, not going all-in on the racism - more left than Labour atm, what's not to like
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I mean, even "only 1% will die" is a poor argument, you don't even need to get into long covid. Well I think they mean 1% of people that will catch COVID rather than the whole of the U.K. But yeah <1% dying is still a poor argument. I did manage to shut one tory guy up who went on about the labs loving up the testing by saying "Well that's what you get when the tories want to funnel money into the pockets of their friends instead of actually trying to help the nation."
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